Anyone here into firearms?

mark_taba85

Kind of pricey at MSRP $880, but i have seen them online on Buds for about $660. ETA was August2011, but was told through an email that it is possibly early next year.

Plus it is 14+1 capacity, which is about twice as much as the current models.

kick-***!

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Red__Zed

Starting AR shopping. Should be interesting.

MacCool

I strongly recommend one of the upper tier rifles, like Bravo Company, Daniel Defense, Colt, Noveske. The more popular brands like Bushmaster, DPMS, Rock River, may be suitable for occasional trips to the range but there are corners cut in their construction and their reliability is suspect.

Anarky

I have a rock river and have shot over 3000 rounds through it with no problems. Also almost all of the rounds are reloads very reliable and for the money best deals out there imo. Most come with stage 2 triggers

MacCool

Yes, for those looking for a budget plinker, RRA, Stag, Bushy, DPMS can be entirely satisfactory.

dad

Is the Ruger SR556 above reliable?

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MacCool

AFAIK, mixed reviews. It's a pretty well-designed rifle, some components designed from the ground up for gas piston, but others conventional DI. They are prone to carrier tilt, like most piston guns, and that does cause more wear on the buffer/tube. Of more concern would be the reports of malfunctions in various positions. I keep hearing of failure to feed, for example, when the gun rests on the magazine butt (as in prone shooting). Also, failure to eject in rollover prone. My general impression, never having fired one, is that they're "OK" as far as piston guns go. At that price, if I were going to buy a piston gun I would definitely go with a Huldra. That gun is made for that private label by Adams Arms. Huldra did mandate several modifications and upgrades. They put over 4000 rounds of 5.45 through one of their rifles without any cleaning nor any lube...no maintenance of any kind..without any malfunctions. They used 5.45 because they had a large stock of cheap surplus ammo.

The problem I have with piston guns is largely that you're paying about an extra $400 for the gas system, but certainly aren't getting $400 worth of advantage over a DI...some would say no advantage.

It's hard to separate fact from rumor when it comes to Ruger, and this is probably more true in the AR15 crowd. People that shoot those rifles have a little more of a tendency to be rabid Second Amendment fans and those folks have a tendency to believe that Bill Ruger tried to sell them down the river to Congress in order to keep the Mini-14 out of the Assault Weapons Ban. I always take Ruger criticisms with a grain of salt.

dad

I just read a little while ago about Bill and Congress, I wasn't aware of his doings!
After looking more into Ruger, the price is too high. I'm checking out Bravo Company, prices are way more reasonable!
I know very little about "assault weapons". I just made my mind up yesterday that I want one! Were moving to Tenn., after the 1st of the year, "gun friendly state"! About the middle of next year, I should have enough $ put away for one!

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frost

So, I've owned a Glock 23 (40 cal) for a few years now. I haven't owned any other guns, so I never regularly shot any other handguns until a couple a months ago when a buddy of mine (who owns a ****-load of guns) let me shoot some of his. When I say "let me shoot," I don't mean a magazine, I mean, we were shooting for several hours.

The main gun I used was a .45 1911, and what I noticed is, even with the extra power, I was still a better shot with it than my own glock. I could only guess that this was due to the aggressive grip angle on the glock.

So I did what any idiot would do, I purchased a .40 S&W M&P. After a day of shooting, here is my comparison of the two:

Looks: Totally subjective, I know, but I like the looks of the glock more. The swirl pattern on the m&p makes it look a little like a toy, although, it looks better in person than the pictures I had seen.

Slide: I like the slide of the m&p more, the fish scales are easy to grip to rack the slide.

Field Stripping: The field stripping is no contest, the glock butt-rapes the m&p in this category. To take the glock apart, you simply push down on the lever on the side, and a small pull on the slide backwards removes the slide off. The m&p on the other hand, there is a pin on the inside of the gun that has to be pushed down, and if that pin isn't in the correct place when you put the slide back on, game over. Assembling the gun again is also easier with the glock, the slide simply slides right back on. Assembling the m&p is a bit clumsy, because you have to work the switch on the side. Also, the m&p comes with a tool located in the grip that's all but worthless if you're in the field. I had to pry this thing out with a butter knife (and even then, I was concerned about the butter knife holding up). Thanks, but I'll just reach for the nearest ballpoint pin. Also, the spring in the m&p was showing rust o_O

Feel in the hand: Even after putting on the appropriate backstrap for the m&p (which comes with three, for various-sized hands), the glock still felt better in my hand. Subjective, I know, but thought I would throw it in.

Actual shooting: Using the same ammo and shooting back-to-back, I can say that I felt more kickback in the glock. Shooting the m&p felt closer to shooting a 9 than shooting a 40. Not sure I necessarily liked the trigger in the m&p, but it didn't bug me like I thought it would.

Performance: Well, here is where the rubber meets the road, all the other stuff is minor BS when compared to the actual performance of the weapons. After all, we buy guns to shoot and be the best shot possible, right?
That being said, I'm a much better shot with the m&p, even though I was much more familiar with the glock, already having put a couple thousand rounds through it. The pictures below are of my last target of the day. The first one is with the glock. I colored them orange to be easier to see, and you can see a couple outliers, one in the shoulder, and one in the traps area. The grouping is "okay," but not awesome. Compared with the m&p, no outliers, and a great grouping. I guess the shots speak for themselves, I may be dropping by the nearest gun shop to see if they're interested in buying a glock




Edit: I removed how far away the target was, because I didn't need a derail of how much better of a shot anyone supposedly is than me with their particular gun. That's not the point. I'll just say that it was a good distance away; further away than you would be shooting anyone in a real-life scenario.

Red__Zed

Wow, much tighter grouping with the m and p.

I had similar experiences with Glocks

kdo2milger

just picked up one of these bad boys!
XDM94545BHC

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Red__Zed

Nice. I love my xd's.

kdo2milger

best "bang" for the buck! got it for 570 shipped...

XD's/XDm's are really well built pistols...

thx, I have shot springfield xd40, 9m, 1911's... I really like the xd and have heard nothing but positive feedback on the xdm45acp in regards to grip/weight ratio, etc...

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tvfreakazoid

I'm jealous. I live in cali and cali does not allow the XDm version, only the regular XD. Well you can get the M version but there is some hopes that you need to go through and unfortunately i can't go through those hopes. Damn cali.

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kdo2milger

wtf is up w/ cali and all the ridiculous rules?!? it puzzles me...it is becomming a communist state

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