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Lemers 05-02-2011 11:25 AM

Is a burial at sea inline with Islam?

John@Z1 05-02-2011 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemers (Post 1084644)
Is a burial at sea inline with Islam?

Geneva Convention states that if someone of that nature is killed that you must bury them in their fashion.

Lemers 05-02-2011 11:34 AM

I know we did a Muslim ceremony and that's fine. But will the Arab world see the burial at sea as a sign of disrespect to Islam?

Pharmacist 05-02-2011 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemers (Post 1084644)
Is a burial at sea inline with Islam?

No but its inline with someone trying to conceal evidence

WhiskeyHotel 05-02-2011 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by daisuke149 (Post 1084598)
....Exactly. Lets disrespect them and show we dont give a f**k cus were American.

And for those who are ignorant about this, Bin Ladin, is not considered "Muslim" by many. His ideals are twisted and he uses islam as the front to raise his organization.

hrmm...maybe this "Canadian" guy posting in this thread knows more about how to be a real american than most of you. /shrugs

Excellent point. We are walking a very fine line here. Reminds me of a story (groan)...

Several of Winston Churchill's cabinet members noticed that all the written corresponence he had with Adolf Hitler was signed "Your most humble servant". They complained that Hitler did not deserve that salutation. Churchill responded, "Respect costs me nothing - I still intend to kill the man."

Pharmacist 05-02-2011 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemers (Post 1084683)
I know we did a Muslim ceremony and that's fine. But will the Arab world see the burial at sea as a sign of disrespect to Islam?

I am actually more curious about why the hell they didnt do an autopsy. Hopefully someone will go out there and fish his body out of the sea and find out what the americans are hiding

Pharmacist 05-02-2011 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by John@Z1 (Post 1084664)
Geneva Convention states that if someone of that nature is killed that you must bury them in their fashion.

Oh the irony of an american talking about geneva conventions :rolleyes:

daisuke149 05-02-2011 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemers (Post 1084683)
I know we did a Muslim ceremony and that's fine. But will the Arab world see the burial at sea as a sign of disrespect to Islam?

No. Burial at sea is acceptable under Islam.

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 1084693)
No but its inline with someone trying to conceal evidence

That is probably also true. : ) Its the smartest thing we could have done.

"hang him in the City" or "feed him pork" would just have angered alot of people which is something you dont want. By showing a sign of respect to the rest of the Islam world, who's reputation has been battered by this extremist, we are showing the world that we respect everyone, but this guy was a murdered. Still even so, we respect the rights of his Religion. It wasn't Islam's fault he existed. He twisted Islam to control people. And lastly yes it does conceal evidence. It also prevents his body from becoming a shrine, a calling for other extremists. It quite simply, buts an end to part of this.

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Originally Posted by WhiskeyHotel (Post 1084708)
Excellent point. We are walking a very fine line here. Reminds me of a story (groan)...

Several of Winston Churchill's cabinet members noticed that all the written corresponence he had with Adolf Hitler was signed "Your most humble servant". They complained that Hitler did not deserve that salutation. Churchill responded, "Respect costs me nothing - I still intend to kill the man."

:tup:

WhiskeyHotel 05-02-2011 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 1084693)
No but its inline with someone trying to conceal evidence

Exactly what evidence would that be? Trust me - no matter how it was handled, someone will be upset, or see a conspiracy.

Isamu 05-02-2011 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by daisuke149 (Post 1084738)
No. Burial at sea is acceptable under Islam.



That is probably also true. : ) Its the smartest thing we could have done.

"hang him in the City" or "feed him pork" would just have angered alot of people which is something you dont want. By showing a sign of respect to the rest of the Islam world, who's reputation has been battered by this extremist, we are showing the world that we respect everyone, but this guy was a murdered. Still even so, we respect the rights of his Religion. It wasn't Islam's fault he existed. He twisted Islam to control people. And lastly yes it does conceal evidence. It also prevents his body from becoming a shrine, a calling for other extremists. It quite simply, buts an end to part of this.



:tup:

repped and well put! :tup:

Isamu 05-02-2011 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiskeyHotel (Post 1084744)
Exactly what evidence would that be? Trust me - no matter how it was handled, someone will be upset, or see a conspiracy.

The cover up? it would be the evidence that we trained him and betrayed his trust.. well, the CIA did anyway...

and you are 100% correct you can't please everyone, and someone will always find something wrong with this

Lemers 05-02-2011 11:54 AM

Oh and Canada can blame the US for the delay in William and Kate's visit too.

daisuke149 05-02-2011 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemers (Post 1084774)
Oh and Canada can blame the US for the delay in William and Kate's visit too.

ill be honest.. Shes too good lookin for him. oh damnit ill stop this is getting off topic again (we dont need Canada VS US & William and Kate in this thread)

semtex 05-02-2011 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by daisuke149 (Post 1084738)
"hang him in the City" or "feed him pork" would just have angered alot of people which is something you dont want.


Pork ftw!

http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/t...mie_oliver.jpg

Isamu 05-02-2011 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by daisuke149 (Post 1084779)
ill be honest.. Shes too good lookin for him. oh damnit ill stop this is getting off topic again (we dont need Canada VS US & William and Kate in this thread)

it's ok, she is pretty :yum: and a much needed break the canada vs. USA vs. 5.0 vs. Lemmers vs. miata doors

nuTinmuch 05-02-2011 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex (Post 1084784)
Pork ftw!

You really should be banned for comments like this. I don't understand why people have to be so disrespectful. Your comments may be directed at one man, but they attack basically every Muslim.

I mean, you do realize everyone who posts here isn't just like you, right?

Mike 05-02-2011 12:30 PM

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ill be honest.. Shes too good lookin for him. oh damnit ill stop this is getting off topic again (we dont need Canada VS US & William and Kate in this thread)

:yum:

daisuke149 05-02-2011 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 1084893)
:yum:

haha that is awesome.

semtex 05-02-2011 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by nuTinmuch (Post 1084864)
You really should be banned for comments like this. I don't understand why people have to be so disrespectful. Your comments may be directed at one man, but they attack basically every Muslim.

I mean, you do realize everyone who posts here isn't just like you, right?

Why yes, yes I do realize that not everyone is just like me. Some people take things way too seriously! The real question is, do you realize the same? Do you realize that everyone is not just like you? If I understand you correctly, I should be banned because I do not conform to your point of view. Hmm...who's the intolerant one? I respect your right to free speech; if you were to say something offensive to me I would not seek to have you banned.

daisuke149 05-02-2011 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex (Post 1084908)
Why yes, yes I do realize that not everyone is just like me. Some people take things way too seriously! The real question is, do you realize the same? Do you realize that everyone is not just like you? If I understand you correctly, I should be banned because I do not conform to your point of view. Hmm...who's the intolerant one? I respect your right to free speech; if you were to say something offensive to me I would not seek to have you banned.

you got problems sir. if you want free speech, move to China. thanks!

semtex 05-02-2011 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by daisuke149 (Post 1084943)
you got problems sir. if you want free speech, move to China. thanks!

I moved to Canada. Close enough. ;)

nuTinmuch 05-02-2011 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex (Post 1084908)
Why yes, yes I do realize that not everyone is just like me. Some people take things way too seriously! The real question is, do you realize the same? Do you realize that everyone is not just like you? If I understand you correctly, I should be banned because I do not conform to your point of view. Hmm...who's the intolerant one? I respect your right to free speech; if you were to say something offensive to me I would not seek to have you banned.

No, I think you should be banned because your view is harmful to the site as a whole. It splinters the community and brings religion and intolerance where it doesn't belong. Being intolerant of hate speech does not make one intolerant.

I absolutely respect your right to say what you will, but not in a private forum that is not owned or operated by the government.

daisuke149 05-02-2011 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex (Post 1084962)
I moved to Canada. Close enough. ;)

haha howd all that go for ya. Last i talked to ya things were interesting (in GA)

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Originally Posted by nuTinmuch (Post 1084994)
No, I think you should be banned because your view is harmful to the site as a whole. It splinters the community and brings religion and intolerance where it doesn't belong. Being intolerant of hate speech does not make one intolerant.

I absolutely respect your right to say what you will, but not in a private forum that is not owned or operated by the government.

Relax a bit man. I took his first comment as just general excitement / internet shinanigans. I took his second as simply proding and sarcasm.

In the end, people should just really go celebrate the killing of Bin Laden. While terrorist cells and extremism will continue, it should be alot more fragmented and "hopefully" not pose as big a threat.

shadoquad 05-02-2011 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by daisuke149 (Post 1085012)
Relax a bit man. I took his first comment as just general excitement / internet shinanigans. I took his second as simply proding and sarcasm.

In the end, people should just really go celebrate the killing of Bin Laden. While terrorist cells and extremism will continue, it should be alot more fragmented and "hopefully" not pose as big a threat.

:iagree: I doubt that semtex really has anything against the larger Muslim community.

Isamu 05-02-2011 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by daisuke149 (Post 1085012)
haha howd all that go for ya. Last i talked to ya things were interesting (in GA)



Relax a bit man. I took his first comment as just general excitement / internet shinanigans. I took his second as simply proding and sarcasm.

In the end, people should just really go celebrate the killing of Bin Laden. While terrorist cells and extremism will continue, it should be alot more fragmented and "hopefully" not pose as big a threat.

repped for the most level headed dude up in the piece... :tup:

nuTinmuch 05-02-2011 01:03 PM

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Relax a bit man. I took his first comment as just general excitement / internet shinanigans. I took his second as simply proding and sarcasm.

In the end, people should just really go celebrate the killing of Bin Laden. While terrorist cells and extremism will continue, it should be alot more fragmented and "hopefully" not pose as big a threat.
There's nothing to relax about, really. I'm not personally offended about any of this, I just felt like speaking my mind a bit.

I just don't want this forum to turn into every other car forum out there, basically.

semtex 05-02-2011 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1085027)
:iagree: I doubt that semtex really has anything against the larger Muslim community.

I don't have anything against Muslims. Thing is, I don't consider bin Laden to be in any way representative of true Islam, which is why I don't think he really deserves much respect. As the vast majority of muslims will attest to, bin Laden and his ilk have a completely twisted view of Islam. In any case, I was just trying to have a little fun to break up an otherwise very boring day. I'm sorry if I stepped on anyone's toes.

Jjaden 05-02-2011 01:04 PM

It's an emotionally charged topic for both sides. While the pork comment may be found offensive by 'some' Muslim people, the comment was directed at Osama not all Muslim people.

My best friend is Egyptian and a devout Muslim and I joke about slipping powdered pork into his protein shakes all the time and I declare jihad on him before we spar in MMA and he laughs afterwards because he knows I mean him no personal malice and he sees it for what it is.

It was not an attack on Islam, it was a comment meant to show Osama as much disrespect as possible in an outrageous way, which might be normally crossing the line, but when someone orchestrates a terrorist attack which kills 3000 civilians I'm not sure they deserve to be sheltered from 'intolerant comments'

My suggestion is since the comment was not meant to offend you personally, choose not get offended. Why feel insulted when no insult was intended?

*EDIT* Damn in the time I took to write this it looks like you two made up...:tup:

phelan 05-02-2011 01:04 PM

....and this is why we don't have the politics or religion forum anymore because everybody gets butthurt when they see nobody has the same viewpoint on anything.

IBTL

toxik 05-02-2011 01:05 PM

We finally killed YoMama

XwChriswX 05-02-2011 01:06 PM

You could always watch Jarhead and find out the answer to the riddle: "Look what I put in his mouth..."

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_HJrGkCIwYO...vie+Review.jpg

That would be pretty suitable. :tup:

Sibze 05-02-2011 01:06 PM

:wtf2:

shadoquad 05-02-2011 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by phelan (Post 1085043)
....and this is why we don't have the politics or religion forum anymore because everybody gets butthurt when they see nobody has the same viewpoint on anything.

IBTL

You're just saying that because you're a <insert social group> and I'm a <insert rival social group>. You just don't understand me.

nuTinmuch 05-02-2011 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex (Post 1085040)
I don't have anything against Muslims. Thing is, I don't consider bin Laden to be in any way representative of true Islam, which is why I don't think he really deserves much respect. As the vast majority of muslims will attest to, bin Laden and his ilk have a completely twisted view of Islam. In any case, I was just trying to have a little fun to break up an otherwise very boring day. I'm sorry if I stepped on anyone's toes.

Understood, I overreacted a bit as I've been browsing a few local forums this morning and have been pretty disgusted with some of the stuff people have been saying there.

Sorry for jumping down your throat. :)

XwChriswX 05-02-2011 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1085056)
You're just saying that because you're a <insert social group> and I'm a <insert rival social group>. You just don't understand me.

Shhhh... twinkies don't have feelings. They have fillings. Get it right! :shakes head:


:stirthepot: :inoutroflpuke:

toxik 05-02-2011 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 1085065)
Shhhh... twinkies don't have feelings. They have fillings. Get it right! :shakes head:


:stirthepot: :inoutroflpuke:

ladies and gentlemen, you have been treated to a XwJokewX

nuTinmuch 05-02-2011 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 1085065)
Shhhh... twinkies don't have feelings. They have fillings. Get it right! :shakes head:


:stirthepot: :inoutroflpuke:

Everyone who likes twinkies should be banned.

http://i.imgur.com/ccOCp.jpg

These, on the other hand...

XwChriswX 05-02-2011 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by toxik (Post 1085068)
ladies and gentlemen, you have been treated to a XwJokewX

:bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl:

shadoquad 05-02-2011 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by nuTinmuch (Post 1085057)
Understood, I overreacted a bit as I've been browsing a few local forums this morning and have been pretty disgusted with some of the stuff people have been saying there.

Sorry for jumping down your throat. :)

It's all good. I've done that before, too.

And I agree, some of the comments I've heard on the radio today have gone a bit far.

shadoquad 05-02-2011 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by nuTinmuch (Post 1085076)
Everyone who likes twinkies should be banned.

http://i.imgur.com/ccOCp.jpg

These, on the other hand...

lol I love me a good ho(-ho)


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