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From Wiki "A 2004 BBC article entitled "Al-Qaeda's origins and links", the BBC wrote: During the anti-Soviet jihad Bin Laden and his fighters received American and Saudi funding. Analysts believe Bin Laden himself had security training from the CIA.[3] In a 2006 InDepth piece on Osama Bin Laden, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation published that,[4] Bin Laden apparently received training from the CIA, which was backing the Afghan holy warriors – the mujahedeen – who were tying down Soviet forces in Afghanistan. An article in Der Spiegel, in 2007, entitled "Arming the Middle East", Siegesmund von Ilsemann called Bin Laden "one of the CIA's best weapons customers." [5] For those of you who don't know the history of the situation, Osama was CIA trained to fight against Russia in Afghanistan in order to stop the spread of Communism. The CIA supplied weapons, training and promised financial aid, money for schools, food and rebuilding efforts if and when the CIA trained local cells defeated Russia. As soon as Russia was beaten back the CIA reneged on all of their promises of aid, rebuilding efforts, and financial support, and left a bunch of angry militants armed and trained by the CIA. Not a big shock that America paid the price eventually. Its just a damn shame those who actually paid the price where civilians who were totally innocent, instead of those in the CIA who manipulated the Afghani people to fight the war against communism for America. I don't doubt for a second the orders regarding Osama were kill on sight, because he could have made a LOT of people very uncomfortable had he opened his mouth regarding his history and American involvement in his training. |
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Am I the only one wondering wtf took so long? Billions of dollars later we found 1 guy? I mean yeah victory for us but at what cost.
Here's a kicker.... This mutha fka was in the middle of a fkn desert and they found him. Saddam was in a hole in the desert and we found him. But Tupac and Biggy get killed in public streets during rush hour, and nobody knows **** about that?! Oh.. And wtf did they bury him at sea? A guy like that deserves to be hung in the city. |
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Edit: No better yet -- pork tartar. |
First Canada has forces in Afghanistan too. Second only an immature idiot would blame the victim of a crime by basically saying "they deserved it". That is a bunch of BS and there was no justifiable reason for Osama to bomb our embassies, the USS Cole, and fly planes into the World Trade Center. These acts had nothing to do with broken promises and more to do with inventing an enemy of their religion to rally supporters to fight for his cause. And his cause to force the middle east to become one country. And force the rest of the world to adopt his views of Islam.
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I also find it highly curious that they knew his location since last august but only killed him now. Dont they have presidential elections next year? And werent obama's popularity numbers plummeting recently? |
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Now if those planes had been flown into the pentagon and only members of the CIA involved in Afghanistan affairs had died, I would honestly say 'They probably had that coming' As for Canada, I think our country is a bunch of fools and sheep for involving ourselves militarily in any cause in the Middle East. I am a huge military supporter, and have nothing but respect for the troops and their dedication, but that doesn't mean I have to support the politicians who send our troops to Countries that they have no right being in. |
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I say not only do we build a great wall between the US and Mexico.. but one along Canada's borders aswell...
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Between my girlfriend and myself we spend close to 50k in the U.S. yearly including 30k in property tax for a second home, which is probably more than most 'Americans' But by all means, because a couple of my comments make you uncomfortable, build a wall across your entire country. |
If it wasn't for the US Canada wouldn't last as long as it has. With their Government taxing the crap out of the working people to provide social programs like universal healthcare. Just imagine what your next tax bill would look like if you had to raise a real military and not that national guard Canada passes off as a military. No wonder Quebec doesn't want to be part of Canada.
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we get Skakatchiwanians down here all the time... nice people, but god they are terrible drivers.. :bowrofl: and I happen to like Canada alot.. St. Johns is a wonderful place, along with several other locations |
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We don't need a large military because there are very few countries we have invaded and antagonized aside from out recent blundering in the Middle east which was done to show support and good faith for our neighbors to the south. I would also take Universal health care and a modest military over an elite military and zero health care, any day. When you're sick, or a relative has cancer and is dying, does the military come and take care of you, or do you end up bankrupt and having to sell your house? You guys really need to realize that just because I don't like 2 facets of American policies doesn't make me 'anti-American'. I'm sitting in a second home in Ft. Lauderdale posting this as we speak, looking out over the inter-coastal waterway enjoying the beautiful weather, and really loving my day, knowing that outside of maybe Vancouver there is nowhere in Canada that compares. There are literally hundreds of facets to America, but because I don't agree with one or two of them I'm a 'hater' or 'anti-American'. I thought you guys were big fans of free speech, isn't it part of your constitution to have a right to an opinion? I love America, I have lived in Canadian border towns all my life, but I am well within my rights to disagree with U.S. foreign policy as I do with Canadian foreign policy. It doesn't make me unpatriotic because I choose not to blindly accept everything a government does. It makes me a free-thinker, who see the good and bad side in everything. People are too quick to shun someone who shares a different opinion from them. I didn't come on here attacking anyone, I expressed a legitimate view supported by the BBC and other major media outlets that perhaps American policies in the past contributed to the rise of Osama, and now I am being vilified. |
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we trained sadaam up, at the very base, where I did my basic training... oh well, **** happens.. and no one is Vilifing you.. I wasn't...I was simply slinging poo...
tho I don't like your health care system, and I do not want to see it here... its like our current military health care, sure it's "free" but its not THAT great |
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Ibtl...
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While this may sound elitist, I don't agree that someone contributing 100k taxes annually should have to wait 6 months for an MRI, the same length of time as someone who pays no taxes. I'd much prefer a tiered system, based on your taxable income where what you contribute to the country determines your level of health care, but basic care is provided to all, although I'm sure this will never happen. If America implements a Universal health care you guys will be so buggered financially you may as well change the international currency to the Chinese Yuan right now. Anyways sorry for going off the handle, I guess I took the 'build a wall' comment a little personally. |
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Granted America is flawed, but no country is perfect... not even close... as far as health care.. I agree with you to an extent... but that goes on another rant about people not having jobs, and other social programs that are fail... |
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No one takes Canadians seriously, why start now..:stirthepot::stirthepot:
IBTlL |
The price of oil went down because of it, but no lowering of gas prices yet.
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sorry but canada > US
I mean milk in bags yo. |
how the hell did a bin laden thread turn into a usa v. canada thread wtf is going on
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And for those who are ignorant about this, Bin Ladin, is not considered "Muslim" by many. His ideals are twisted and he uses islam as the front to raise his organization. even so, Its because of comments and many times thoughtless actions like above which puts the US in the crosshairs of many people. It shows that we are not out to do the right thing, but only just to do whatever we want and that makes us nothign more than a fat *** bully. And for those clammering that he didnt deserve a trial, I believe your saying that the constitution isnt something to be followed. Only when its convenient. hrmm maybe this "Canadian" guy posting in this thread knows more about how to be a real american than most of you. /shrugs (Commence the attacks on me!!) |
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^ bahahahaa, we can beat them at their own game :rofl2:
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