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m4a1mustang 05-02-2011 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 1083692)
I wonder will the americans finally get the f out of iraq and afghanistan or will they come up with other excuses for continued war and militarism?

And it seems like they didnt put much effort into catching him alive. Seems strange. Wouldnt they wanna question him and see what he knows about al qaeda operations and 9/11 and whatever?

It was an order to kill. Do you really think he would cooperate with us? :bowrofl:

Cmike2780 05-02-2011 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1083813)
It was an order to kill. Do you really think he would cooperate with us? :bowrofl:

:iagree: that POS doesn't deserve a trial.

WhiskeyHotel 05-02-2011 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Vegitto-kun (Post 1083723)
People don't realise that now the real shitstorm is coming.

This is exactly how terrorists work. Fear of reprisal and threats keep folks in line- but not this time. Some nice work by the military and intelligence communities.

WhiskeyHotel 05-02-2011 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1083813)
It was an order to kill. Do you really think he would cooperate with us? :bowrofl:

According to the Navy Seal(s) he was asked to surrender and refused. At that point a double tap to the head ended the discussion.

Jjaden 05-02-2011 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 1083692)
I wonder will the americans finally get the f out of iraq and afghanistan or will they come up with other excuses for continued war and militarism?

And it seems like they didnt put much effort into catching him alive. Seems strange. Wouldnt they wanna question him and see what he knows about al qaeda operations and 9/11 and whatever?

This is a good point. I also wonder if in the future the CIA will be more careful about training operatives to fight their wars for them in other countries, making them promises, and then bailing on them after the CIA get's what they want.

From Wiki

"A 2004 BBC article entitled "Al-Qaeda's origins and links", the BBC wrote:

During the anti-Soviet jihad Bin Laden and his fighters received American and Saudi funding. Analysts believe Bin Laden himself had security training from the CIA.[3]

In a 2006 InDepth piece on Osama Bin Laden, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation published that,[4]

Bin Laden apparently received training from the CIA, which was backing the Afghan holy warriors – the mujahedeen – who were tying down Soviet forces in Afghanistan.

An article in Der Spiegel, in 2007, entitled "Arming the Middle East", Siegesmund von Ilsemann called Bin Laden "one of the CIA's best weapons customers." [5]

For those of you who don't know the history of the situation, Osama was CIA trained to fight against Russia in Afghanistan in order to stop the spread of Communism. The CIA supplied weapons, training and promised financial aid, money for schools, food and rebuilding efforts if and when the CIA trained local cells defeated Russia.

As soon as Russia was beaten back the CIA reneged on all of their promises of aid, rebuilding efforts, and financial support, and left a bunch of angry militants armed and trained by the CIA. Not a big shock that America paid the price eventually.

Its just a damn shame those who actually paid the price where civilians who were totally innocent, instead of those in the CIA who manipulated the Afghani people to fight the war against communism for America.

I don't doubt for a second the orders regarding Osama were kill on sight, because he could have made a LOT of people very uncomfortable had he opened his mouth regarding his history and American involvement in his training.

semtex 05-02-2011 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by billet370 (Post 1083689)
So I gotta ask now, who's going to move up to the number 1 spot now? Idk if there is somebody as evil as Laden to take over that spot but that guy will become the new "Bounty Favorite".

I nominate Michael Moore. Or Ke$ha.

RedBullRR 05-02-2011 08:28 AM

Am I the only one wondering wtf took so long? Billions of dollars later we found 1 guy? I mean yeah victory for us but at what cost.

Here's a kicker.... This mutha fka was in the middle of a fkn desert and they found him. Saddam was in a hole in the desert and we found him. But Tupac and Biggy get killed in public streets during rush hour, and nobody knows **** about that?!

Oh.. And wtf did they bury him at sea? A guy like that deserves to be hung in the city.

m4a1mustang 05-02-2011 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by RedBullRR (Post 1083878)
Am I the only one wondering wtf took so long? Billions of dollars later we found 1 guy? I mean yeah victory for us but at what cost.

Here's a kicker.... This mutha fka was in the middle of a fkn desert and they found him. Saddam was in a hole in the desert and we found him. But Tupac and Biggy get killed in public streets during rush hour, and nobody knows **** about that?!

Oh.. And wtf did they bury him at sea? A guy like that deserves to be hung in the city.

Well they flew his body back out to the ship for ID'ing and according to Islamic tradition the body has to be buried within 24 hours, so we dumped him seaside.

semtex 05-02-2011 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1083887)
Well they flew his body back out to the ship for ID'ing and according to Islamic tradition the body has to be buried within 24 hours, so we dumped him seaside.

Yes, because heaven forbid we don't respect Islamic tradition. I hope they force fed that f*cker pork chops before they killed him.

Edit: No better yet -- pork tartar.

Lemers 05-02-2011 08:48 AM

First Canada has forces in Afghanistan too. Second only an immature idiot would blame the victim of a crime by basically saying "they deserved it". That is a bunch of BS and there was no justifiable reason for Osama to bomb our embassies, the USS Cole, and fly planes into the World Trade Center. These acts had nothing to do with broken promises and more to do with inventing an enemy of their religion to rally supporters to fight for his cause. And his cause to force the middle east to become one country. And force the rest of the world to adopt his views of Islam.

Pharmacist 05-02-2011 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Jjaden (Post 1083840)
This is a good point. I also wonder if in the future the CIA will be more careful about training operatives to fight their wars for them in other countries, making them promises, and then bailing on them after the CIA get's what they want.

From Wiki

"A 2004 BBC article entitled "Al-Qaeda's origins and links", the BBC wrote:

During the anti-Soviet jihad Bin Laden and his fighters received American and Saudi funding. Analysts believe Bin Laden himself had security training from the CIA.[3]

In a 2006 InDepth piece on Osama Bin Laden, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation published that,[4]

Bin Laden apparently received training from the CIA, which was backing the Afghan holy warriors – the mujahedeen – who were tying down Soviet forces in Afghanistan.

An article in Der Spiegel, in 2007, entitled "Arming the Middle East", Siegesmund von Ilsemann called Bin Laden "one of the CIA's best weapons customers." [5]

For those of you who don't know the history of the situation, Osama was CIA trained to fight against Russia in Afghanistan in order to stop the spread of Communism. The CIA supplied weapons, training and promised financial aid, money for schools, food and rebuilding efforts if and when the CIA trained local cells defeated Russia.

As soon as Russia was beaten back the CIA reneged on all of their promises of aid, rebuilding efforts, and financial support, and left a bunch of angry militants armed and trained by the CIA. Not a big shock that America paid the price eventually.

Its just a damn shame those who actually paid the price where civilians who were totally innocent, instead of those in the CIA who manipulated the Afghani people to fight the war against communism for America.

I don't doubt for a second the orders regarding Osama were kill on sight, because he could have made a LOT of people very uncomfortable had he opened his mouth regarding his history and American involvement in his training.

yes. Just like saddam. The americans killed him after a very fast sham trial in a kangaroo court fo precisely the same reason to prevent him from airing america's dirty laundry. Also funny how the americans quickly tossed bin ladens body into the middle of the sea. Hmmmmm. Looks like someone has something to hide!

I also find it highly curious that they knew his location since last august but only killed him now. Dont they have presidential elections next year? And werent obama's popularity numbers plummeting recently?

Jjaden 05-02-2011 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemers (Post 1083958)
First Canada has forces in Afghanistan too. Second only an immature idiot would blame the victim of a crime by basically saying "they deserved it". That is a bunch of BS and there was no justifiable reason for Osama to bomb our embassies, the USS Cole, and fly planes into the World Trade Center. These acts had nothing to do with broken promises and more to do with inventing an enemy of their religion to rally supporters to fight for his cause. And his cause to force the middle east to become one country. And force the rest of the world to adopt his views of Islam.

Please don't EVER insinuate that I feel American civilians deserved 911, that is totally untrue and a horrible act of terrorism. Those people had nothing whatsoever to do with the CIA screwing over Afghanistan and arming and training them, its tragic that they paid with their lives.

Now if those planes had been flown into the pentagon and only members of the CIA involved in Afghanistan affairs had died, I would honestly say 'They probably had that coming'

As for Canada, I think our country is a bunch of fools and sheep for involving ourselves militarily in any cause in the Middle East. I am a huge military supporter, and have nothing but respect for the troops and their dedication, but that doesn't mean I have to support the politicians who send our troops to Countries that they have no right being in.

Pharmacist 05-02-2011 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemers (Post 1083958)
First Canada has forces in Afghanistan too. Second only an immature idiot would blame the victim of a crime by basically saying "they deserved it". That is a bunch of BS and there was no justifiable reason for Osama to bomb our embassies, the USS Cole, and fly planes into the World Trade Center. These acts had nothing to do with broken promises and more to do with inventing an enemy of their religion to rally supporters to fight for his cause. And his cause to force the middle east to become one country. And force the rest of the world to adopt his views of Islam.

You can thank our idiot cowardly governments for keeping us in afghanistan. Hopefully the rise of the ndp in the polls and the death of bin laden will pressure harper into terminating the mission. Secondly american position regarding the suffering of civilians in iraq, afghanistan, palestine, vietnam, korea, japan, cuba and other countries due to america's policies has always been to blame the victim

Jjaden 05-02-2011 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 1083990)
You can thank our idiot cowardly governments for keeping us in afghanistan. Hopefully the rise of the ndp in the polls and the death of bin laden will pressure harper into terminating the mission. Secondly american position regarding the suffering of civilians in iraq, afghanistan, palestine, vietnam, korea, japan, cuba and other countries due to america's policies has always been to blame the victim

Good to see a fellow free-thinking black sheep on here.

Isamu 05-02-2011 09:21 AM

I say not only do we build a great wall between the US and Mexico.. but one along Canada's borders aswell...

Jjaden 05-02-2011 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Isamu (Post 1084062)
I say not only do we build a great wall between the US and Mexico.. but one along Canada's borders aswell...

With your weak dollar these days, you'll only be further weakening your already hurting economy by cutting off the hundred of millions you get from cross-border shopping Canadians.

Between my girlfriend and myself we spend close to 50k in the U.S. yearly including 30k in property tax for a second home, which is probably more than most 'Americans'

But by all means, because a couple of my comments make you uncomfortable, build a wall across your entire country.

Lemers 05-02-2011 09:29 AM

If it wasn't for the US Canada wouldn't last as long as it has. With their Government taxing the crap out of the working people to provide social programs like universal healthcare. Just imagine what your next tax bill would look like if you had to raise a real military and not that national guard Canada passes off as a military. No wonder Quebec doesn't want to be part of Canada.

Isamu 05-02-2011 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jjaden (Post 1084085)
With your weak dollar these days, you'll only be further weakening your already hurting economy by cutting off the hundred of millions you get from cross-border shopping Canadians.

Between my girlfriend and myself we spend close to 50k in the U.S. yearly including 30k in property tax for a second home, which is probably more than most 'Americans'

But by all means, because a couple of my comments make you uncomfortable, build a wall across your entire country.

nah man, i was just slingin poop... sounds like you need a chill pill bro...
we get Skakatchiwanians down here all the time... nice people, but god they are terrible drivers.. :bowrofl:
and I happen to like Canada alot.. St. Johns is a wonderful place, along with several other locations

Isamu 05-02-2011 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemers (Post 1084092)
If it wasn't for the US Canada wouldn't last as long as it has. With their Government taxing the crap out of the working people to provide social programs like universal healthcare. Just imagine what your next tax bill would look like if you had to raise a real military and not that national guard Canada passes off as a military. No wonder Quebec doesn't want to be part of Canada.

:ohsnap1:

Red__Zed 05-02-2011 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemers (Post 1084092)
If it wasn't for the US Canada wouldn't last as long as it has. With their Government taxing the crap out of the working people to provide social programs like universal healthcare. Just imagine what your next tax bill would look like if you had to raise a real military and not that national guard Canada passes off as a military. No wonder Quebec doesn't want to be part of Canada.

:tiphat:

Jjaden 05-02-2011 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemers (Post 1084092)
. Just imagine what your next tax bill would look like if you had to raise a real military and not that national guard Canada passes off as a military.

Interesting point you bring up. See that fact that the majority of the rest of the world doesn't hate Canada, and we haven't bullied other nations for the last 60 years bodes well in Canada's favour.

We don't need a large military because there are very few countries we have invaded and antagonized aside from out recent blundering in the Middle east which was done to show support and good faith for our neighbors to the south.

I would also take Universal health care and a modest military over an elite military and zero health care, any day. When you're sick, or a relative has cancer and is dying, does the military come and take care of you, or do you end up bankrupt and having to sell your house?

You guys really need to realize that just because I don't like 2 facets of American policies doesn't make me 'anti-American'.

I'm sitting in a second home in Ft. Lauderdale posting this as we speak, looking out over the inter-coastal waterway enjoying the beautiful weather, and really loving my day, knowing that outside of maybe Vancouver there is nowhere in Canada that compares.

There are literally hundreds of facets to America, but because I don't agree with one or two of them I'm a 'hater' or 'anti-American'. I thought you guys were big fans of free speech, isn't it part of your constitution to have a right to an opinion?

I love America, I have lived in Canadian border towns all my life, but I am well within my rights to disagree with U.S. foreign policy as I do with Canadian foreign policy.

It doesn't make me unpatriotic because I choose not to blindly accept everything a government does. It makes me a free-thinker, who see the good and bad side in everything.

People are too quick to shun someone who shares a different opinion from them. I didn't come on here attacking anyone, I expressed a legitimate view supported by the BBC and other major media outlets that perhaps American policies in the past contributed to the rise of Osama, and now I am being vilified.

Pharmacist 05-02-2011 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Jjaden (Post 1084085)
With your weak dollar these days, you'll only be further weakening your already hurting economy by cutting off the hundred of millions you get from cross-border shopping Canadians.

Between my girlfriend and myself we spend close to 50k in the U.S. yearly including 30k in property tax for a second home, which is probably more than most 'Americans'

But by all means, because a couple of my comments make you uncomfortable, build a wall across your entire country.

:owned:

Isamu 05-02-2011 09:49 AM

we trained sadaam up, at the very base, where I did my basic training... oh well, **** happens.. and no one is Vilifing you.. I wasn't...I was simply slinging poo...
tho I don't like your health care system, and I do not want to see it here... its like our current military health care, sure it's "free" but its not THAT great

Pharmacist 05-02-2011 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemers (Post 1084092)
If it wasn't for the US Canada wouldn't last as long as it has. With their Government taxing the crap out of the working people to provide social programs like universal healthcare. Just imagine what your next tax bill would look like if you had to raise a real military and not that national guard Canada passes off as a military. No wonder Quebec doesn't want to be part of Canada.

Canada doesn embark on overseas imperialistic military adventures so we really wont need a bloated expensive military anyway like the americans do

Isamu 05-02-2011 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 1084154)
:owned:

no one was owned... if anyone he was, for biting into a troll-biscuit.. these here discussions are not allowed on this forum, and that's why, people get way to heated for nothing... other then a troll-biscuit..

Isamu 05-02-2011 09:52 AM

Ibtl...

Pharmacist 05-02-2011 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jjaden (Post 1084142)
Interesting point you bring up. See that fact that the majority of the rest of the world doesn't hate Canada, and we haven't bullied other nations for the last 60 years bodes well in Canada's favour.

We don't need a large military because there are very few countries we have invaded and antagonized aside from out recent blundering in the Middle east which was done to show support and good faith for our neighbors to the south.

I would also take Universal health care and a modest military over an elite military and zero health care, any day. When you're sick, or a relative has cancer and is dying, does the military come and take care of you, or do you end up bankrupt and having to sell your house?

You guys really need to realize that just because I don't like 2 facets of American policies doesn't make me 'anti-American'.

I'm sitting in a second home in Ft. Lauderdale posting this as we speak, looking out over the inter-coastal waterway enjoying the beautiful weather, and really loving my day, knowing that outside of maybe Vancouver there is nowhere in Canada that compares.

There are literally hundreds of facets to America, but because I don't agree with one or two of them I'm a 'hater' or 'anti-American'. I thought you guys were big fans of free speech, isn't it part of your constitution to have a right to an opinion?

I love America, I have lived in Canadian border I didn't come on here attacking anyone, I expressed a legitimate view supported by the BBC and other major media outlets that perhaps American policies in the past contributed to the rise of Osama, and now I am being vilified.

Americans already made up their minds regarding bin laden. Please do not confuse them with facts :)

Jjaden 05-02-2011 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Isamu (Post 1084160)
tho I don't like your health care system, and I do not want to see it here... its like our current military health care, sure it's "free" but its not THAT great

Good call, while I do like the 'idea' of universal health care, our system is in shambles, and really it only benefits the poor who would receive no health care otherwise. It brings down the level of health care the middle/upper class receive.

While this may sound elitist, I don't agree that someone contributing 100k taxes annually should have to wait 6 months for an MRI, the same length of time as someone who pays no taxes.

I'd much prefer a tiered system, based on your taxable income where what you contribute to the country determines your level of health care, but basic care is provided to all, although I'm sure this will never happen.

If America implements a Universal health care you guys will be so buggered financially you may as well change the international currency to the Chinese Yuan right now.

Anyways sorry for going off the handle, I guess I took the 'build a wall' comment a little personally.

Isamu 05-02-2011 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 1084205)
Americans already made up their minds regarding bin laden. Please do not confuse them with facts :)

now who is trolling... :bowrofl::bowrofl:

Isamu 05-02-2011 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jjaden (Post 1084236)
Good call, while I do like the 'idea' of universal health care, our system is in shambles, and really it only benefits the poor who would receive no health care otherwise. It brings down the level of health care the middle/upper class receive.

While this may sound elitist, I don't agree that someone contributing 100k taxes annually should have to wait 6 months for an MRI, the same length of time as someone who pays no taxes.

I'd much prefer a tiered system, based on your taxable income where what you contribute to the country determines your level of health care, but basic care is provided to all, although I'm sure this will never happen.

If America implements a Universal health care you guys will be so buggered financially you may as well change the international currency to the Chinese Yuan right now.

Anyways sorry for going off the handle, I guess I took the 'build a wall' comment a little personally.

it's all good man... I was just :stirthepot: I got nothing but love for my Canadian bro's...
Granted America is flawed, but no country is perfect... not even close... as far as health care.. I agree with you to an extent...
but that goes on another rant about people not having jobs, and other social programs that are fail...

Jjaden 05-02-2011 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 1084205)
Americans already made up their minds regarding bin laden. Please do not confuse them with facts :)

Careful, they already know I own a home in Ft. Lauderale, the front gate would not be impressed with a lynch mob showing up on my lawn. :icon17:

Isamu 05-02-2011 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jjaden (Post 1084261)
Careful, they already know I own a home in Ft. Lauderale, the front gate would not be impressed with a lynch mob showing up on my lawn. :icon17:

your front gate wouldn't be impressed by the use of Tactical nuclear cruise missiles either, but we can make it happen... Amerika!! :bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:

Cmike2780 05-02-2011 10:41 AM

No one takes Canadians seriously, why start now..:stirthepot::stirthepot:

IBTlL

red6spd 05-02-2011 10:58 AM

The price of oil went down because of it, but no lowering of gas prices yet.

wretched_z 05-02-2011 11:04 AM

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t...MISC/obama.jpg

Vegitto-kun 05-02-2011 11:09 AM

sorry but canada > US


I mean milk in bags yo.

phelan 05-02-2011 11:12 AM

how the hell did a bin laden thread turn into a usa v. canada thread wtf is going on

daisuke149 05-02-2011 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by RedBullRR (Post 1083878)
Am I the only one wondering wtf took so long? Billions of dollars later we found 1 guy? I mean yeah victory for us but at what cost.

Here's a kicker.... This mutha fka was in the middle of a fkn desert and they found him. Saddam was in a hole in the desert and we found him. But Tupac and Biggy get killed in public streets during rush hour, and nobody knows **** about that?!

Oh.. And wtf did they bury him at sea? A guy like that deserves to be hung in the city.

yeah hang him in the City. Show the world that American's really are "better" than the people were chasing

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Originally Posted by semtex (Post 1083897)
Yes, because heaven forbid we don't respect Islamic tradition. I hope they force fed that f*cker pork chops before they killed him.

Edit: No better yet -- pork tartar.

Exactly. Lets disrespect them and show we dont give a f**k cus were American.

And for those who are ignorant about this, Bin Ladin, is not considered "Muslim" by many. His ideals are twisted and he uses islam as the front to raise his organization.

even so, Its because of comments and many times thoughtless actions like above which puts the US in the crosshairs of many people. It shows that we are not out to do the right thing, but only just to do whatever we want and that makes us nothign more than a fat *** bully.

And for those clammering that he didnt deserve a trial, I believe your saying that the constitution isnt something to be followed. Only when its convenient.

hrmm

maybe this "Canadian" guy posting in this thread knows more about how to be a real american than most of you. /shrugs

(Commence the attacks on me!!)

daisuke149 05-02-2011 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by phelan (Post 1084594)
how the hell did a bin laden thread turn into a usa v. canada thread wtf is going on

well, with Bin Ladin out of the picture! we gotta have something to fight! :-D Now if only we can prevent them from winning our Stanley Cup this year.

phelan 05-02-2011 11:16 AM

^ bahahahaa, we can beat them at their own game :rofl2:


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