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dad 11-22-2010 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 818218)
We need to actively profile passengers, like the Israelis do.

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Originally Posted by PapoZalsa (Post 818640)
:iagree:

That will do nothing but "scream discrimination", plus Constitutional rights issues will be brought up.

Mike 11-22-2010 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dad (Post 819506)
That will do nothing but "scream discrimination", plus Constitutional rights issues will be brought up.

not racial profiling, terrorist profiling. The Israelis question everyone. It doesn't even matter what questions they ask, its how the people respond, and they are very good at weeding them out.

I just heard on the radio today, that there is an Al Qaida magazine they put out in Saudi Arabia, I can't remember the name of it right now, but they had a statement on the toner cartridge bombs. They cost about $4200 each and weren't designed to kill lots of Americans, just to blow the planes up and kill the pilots, thereby causing the west to spend billions more on additional security checking for toner bombs. Once again, they are winning.

And, here is another example of why these TSAholes shouldn't be doing these enhanced pat downs:
TSA pat-down leaves traveler covered in urine - Travel - News - msnbc.com

and why aren't they wanding anymore? You set off a metal detector so they pat you down to see if you have non metallic items? That is ridiculous.

I will say, I have nothing against the scanners, and welcome those, its the other stuff thats out of hand.

dad 11-22-2010 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 819626)
not racial profiling, terrorist profiling.
I will say, I have nothing against the scanners, and welcome those, its the other stuff thats out of hand.

I'm not referring to racial, just plain discrimination, and that will happen. Some one, no matter what race, or color will scream that. Which will bring bring in Gloria Allred.
If you choose not to be scanned, then you have to be patted down.

Mike 11-22-2010 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dad (Post 819641)
I'm not referring to racial, just plain discrimination, and that will happen. Some one, no matter what race, or color will scream that. Which will bring bring in Gloria Allred.
If you choose not to be scanned, then you have to be patted down.

not if you question everyone and treat everyone the same. The muslims are already screaming because they don't want their women subjected to pat downs, someone is always going to scream.

I guess I'm just not ready to give up liberty for security, and I fly the planes. Plus the TSAholes are idiots. As a crewmember, I am able to have liquids in my bags. Sometimes when I travel for leisure, and am not exempt, I forget to take them out. Its probably happened about 10 times, and not once have they even seen them or stopped me.

daisuke149 11-22-2010 07:31 PM

I agree with Mike

the issue isnt so much the organization itself but its how their doing what they are doing.. and honestly.. the quality of people they hire. Almost reminds me of being at the DMV...

but funny thing is with my last name and my look ive never once had to go through any special security or checks. :D i just screwed myself for my next flight.

And also I think someone said it earlier, if we have to rely on the TSA to catch the terrorists.. we've already lost .. its too late.

FL 4Motion 11-22-2010 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 818218)
No, I wouldn't. There is a reason why they call it terrorism. When we let TSA get away with this crap, the terrorists win. There are much more effective methods than what they are doing. This is all window dressing. We need to actively profile passengers, like the Israelis do.

/\ agreed. the luggage already gets scanned and cleared pretty thouroughly. As far as individuals go, I saw we need more explosive sniffing dogs randomly going thru the airport w/their handlers. Have them walk up and down past the line of folks waiting to go thru the metal detectors. that dog if well trained, will be infinitely better at alerting to a threat than an xray machine manned by imbeciles.

I am totally against all these new security rules. There's a balance between freedom and security. We're way too far on the wrong end of the spectrum at this point.

Short of sneaking a big ol suicide vest onto a plane, what hte hell is one or a few terrorists with box cutters or knives, or even a gun going to to? there's a whole flight full of people, can't cut, shoot or kill everyone. Plus odds are an air marshal is on the flight too. Quite being sheeple, if some bastard gets up on a flight and yells alahua akbar, and starts waving a weapon, the guy next to him needs to just kill the mohterfucker. Too long the citizens of this country have taken their "rights and freedoms" for granted, it's time more folks take responsibility for the priviledge that being an american is and step up and defend it vs. waiting for someone else (ie. in this case the TSA) to do it for us.

PS--I think this country is doomed however and it makes me very sad...

We are rotting from the inside out and most people can't even see it, or choose to bury their head in the sand.

Psychosomatic 11-22-2010 08:51 PM

IMO bless every plane with pigs blood on its maiden voyage. Problem solved.

~Psycho

Pushing_Tin 11-24-2010 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 819644)
not if you question everyone and treat everyone the same. The muslims are already screaming because they don't want their women subjected to pat downs, someone is always going to scream.

I guess I'm just not ready to give up liberty for security, and I fly the planes. Plus the TSAholes are idiots. As a crewmember, I am able to have liquids in my bags. Sometimes when I travel for leisure, and am not exempt, I forget to take them out. Its probably happened about 10 times, and not once have they even seen them or stopped me.

You do realize you cannot compare that amount of flights into our out of Israel to the USA right? Are you or others prepared to arrive at least 4 if not 6 or 8 hours early to facilitate extensive interviews? I don't think so. People already bitch and moan about 15 minutes in line.

Mike 11-24-2010 07:53 AM

so are you guys who are for this going to complain when one of these terrorists sticks explosives up his rectum and we all start getting body cavity searches? When does it end? What is your limit?

Mike 11-24-2010 07:55 AM

not related, but yesterday one of these TSAholes kidnapped a woman from the airport parking lot here in Atlanta, brought her to his house and raped her, then released her and attempted suicide. That is the quality of worker they hire.

jetguy 11-24-2010 08:20 AM

What? I thought the tsa are all ex-black ops agents or highly trained anti terror experts of some kind.

Mike 11-24-2010 08:36 AM

I feel much safer after this!

YouTube - TSA Molests 3 Year Old Child at Chattanooga Metro Airport

Carno 11-24-2010 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 819654)
Short of sneaking a big ol suicide vest onto a plane, what hte hell is one or a few terrorists with box cutters or knives, or even a gun going to to?

Are you ******* serious?

dad 11-24-2010 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 820140)
not related, but yesterday one of these TSAholes kidnapped a woman from the airport parking lot here in Atlanta, brought her to his house and raped her, then released her and attempted suicide. That is the quality of worker they hire.

Your trying to bury the quality of worker they hire because of a rape!
Soldiers rape, policemen rape, doctors rape, dentists rape, teachers rape!
Your statement about the quality of worker for the TSA is useless!

FL 4Motion 11-26-2010 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Carno (Post 820261)
Are you ******* serious?

Yes, people die, it happens get over it. In my example, they can't kill or hurt everyone on the plane, the shear number of people on the plane could overwhelm a small group of terrorits, there'd be casualties, but the flight as a whole would not be doomed.

PapoZalsa 11-27-2010 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by jetguy (Post 820158)
What? I thought the tsa are all ex-black ops agents or highly trained anti terror experts of some kind.

They get like 8 hrs of training...just to check the people and carry-on. They don't have the training to profile any potential terrorist.

Carno 11-27-2010 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 823165)
Yes, people die, it happens get over it. In my example, they can't kill or hurt everyone on the plane, the shear number of people on the plane could overwhelm a small group of terrorits, there'd be casualties, but the flight as a whole would not be doomed.

What the **** are you talking about? Do you not know how the terrorists took control of those planes on September 11th or have you just forgotten?

FL 4Motion 11-27-2010 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Carno (Post 823811)
What the **** are you talking about? Do you not know how the terrorists took control of those planes on September 11th or have you just forgotten?

I'm well aware of what happened. Instead of attacking my opinion on the matter, pls elaborate, thanks.

theDreamer 12-19-2010 04:15 PM

Man passes through TSA security with loaded gun in carry-on bag, boards plane | abc13.com

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A person briefed on the latest tests tells ABC News the failure rate approaches 70 percent at some major airports. Two weeks ago, TSA's new director said every test gun, bomb part or knife got past screeners at some airports.

frost 12-19-2010 04:16 PM

TSA Gifts for You: Chlamydia, Gonorrhea & Lice | The Stir

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"These new scans are so horrible that if you are wearing something unusual (lie a piece of cloth on your panties) then you will be subjected to a search where a woman repeatedly has to check your "groin" while another woman watches on."

frost 12-30-2010 02:18 PM

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