Living in California just sucked even more now...
 

okay, so i'm not sure for those that reside in CA know that our freakin' taxes are just about to increase about 1%-1.25%. but its basically 1% increase in taxes. that's freakin' 9.xx% on everything!!!!!

good lord. CA sucks!!!

arnold, you are screwing with us!!!!!!

yes. **** arnold

So this is sales tax? We vehimately fight a proposed sales tax every year here in Oregon. we are not fans.

yeah SALES tax just went up in CA. hehe impeach arnold?

Cities and counties taxes:
California City and County Sales and Use Tax Rates - Board of Equalization

I keep saying, move to phoenix. we have just as much beach, just no water :D

LOL! He had no choice but to raise it... He screwed up too much before hand that this was the only option left. I don't plan to even see an income tax refund at all.

Why people voted him in, I just can't understand. He can't even pronounce California. He says something like "Coll-ee-forn-a". That's pretty embarrassing.

Well, look on the bright side: Everyone is trying to hold on to their money so much right now that they're not paying attention to anything else that's going on. So when they run out of money FASTER this way, they won't have to worry about their money and they can pay attention to the rest of the current events going on.


We're all F$%*ed.

To think there is a 50/50 chance I'm going to end up in CA in the next 6 months.

Bugger.

i actually got 586.00 dollars for my income tax refund. well with the way he's going to tax us, i just hope Obama gives us a stimulus check of some sort. i think any amount would be great.

i think it's time to impeach the terminator. didn't he also lay off like 20,000 workers??? damn.

You think the problems in California stem from Arnold!! Maybe its the huge illegal immigrant population, or the liberal tree hugging environmentalists who run your state. Or the spend and spend liberals like Nancy Pelosi that dug the hole that Arnold has been trying to fill. I'm not a fan of the govenator hes not my style, but this crap wasnt his fault

Those illegal immigrants have kept California and much of the country afloat. Over the past year they have all started returning to Mexico and various other central and South America countries (i.e. their homes), and guess what California's economy has suffered much worse than many other states. I have worked with plenty of Mexican/south American immigrant, both legal and illegal. Most of them are hard working, and spend LOTS of money in our economy. Now that their leaving it is only adding to the current economic crisis.

As to "tree hugging environmentalists. I want a 400HP hybrid. Companies like Toyota have achieved this on a functional concept level. I want to leave something more for my children besides a smoking hole in the ground. On an individual level many of them are too radical, on a collective level it is an important movement that has been quashed for years by OPEC and Capitalistic imperialist followers in the top 1% of our country. Environmentalism is awesome as long as its moderately implemented over time.

Its kind of hard to point fingers at Nancy Pelosi when people like Sarah Palin, **** Cheney, and Karl Rove exist out there. Spend and spend? Have you been cryogenically frozen for the past nine years? We had a surplus when you were first frozen. :icon14:

drill baby drill??? Yup that's the answer.:gtfo2:

^^^ Great point.

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Not really, they do contribute in monetary ways. But them leaving, has nothing to do with the short fall of money. Now that their leaving there will be more money in the Medi-Cal system, which they abuse.
The short fall of money isn't Arnold's fault, it's the people under him. The California Politicians who have been there for years and years, sucking off the tax payers!

From the website http://www.articler.com/10519/Illega...And-Cons.html:

1. It helps keep the economy moving by filling low-wage jobs.
2. It provides a better lifestyle for those who enter the country illegally.
3. It creates a pool of consumers for a variety of goods and services.
4. Farmers are able to plant and harvest less expensively.
5. Contributions to social security funds often go unclaimed.
6. Illegal immigrants pay sales taxes.
7. Illegal residents, who are property owners, also pay real estate taxes.
8. Millions of illegals rent properties in depressed areas where renters are hard to find.
9. They purchase real estate and generate commissions for agents and brokers.
10. Illegal immigrants contribute to mortgage loan profits.
11. They open bank accounts that yield interest and dividends to bankers.
12. Many purchase auto insurance and contribute to insurers profits margins.

Cons Of Illegal Immigration:

1. Burden on tax-based resources, costing taxpayers billions of dollars.
2. Difficult prosecution and justice when perpetrators flee the country.
3. Disparity between legal immigrants who follow the rules and those who don't.
4. They risk death when traveling the desert to reach the borders.
5. Those who successfully cross the border inspire those left behind to do the same.
6. Continued growth of the demand for cheap labor and low wages.
7. No government reimbursement to offset states' illegal alien maintenance costs.
8. Potential negative effects on working and middle-class citizens.
9. Millions of U.S. dollars remitted to Mexico
10. Mortgage loan fraud
11. Fake document mills
12. Imbalance in authorized immigration quotas

Thoughts?

^ you must have a big personal opinion on the topic as well as you live in Phoenix where there is a huge hispanic population.

I lived and worked in Scottsdale/Phoenix about 4 years ago. The Canadian company I worked for at the time owned a construction company down there. I gotta say that almost the only ppl in Scottsdale I ever saw doing manual labor (landscapring etc) were Mexican. Every morning on the 101 loop, I saw truckloads of mexican workers in backs of trucks heading off to work.

The Mexicans I got to meet and work with (mostly at our shop) were all hardworking and honest people. In Canada, the hispanic population is a very small minority but we don't border Mexico either.

Isn't the amount of social security benefits and payroll taxes (unrefunded since tax returns are not filed in a lot of cases) a pretty big number? I heard a stat once re those with fake SSNs.

I do, but I'm no expert, and no one should listen to me. There are real pros and cons. Illegal immigration does have many positive points. However, IMHO the bad things outweigh the good.

^ maybe a real dumb question, but where was a wall being constructed that I heard about in the news a few years back. Would that be the California border?

I drove to Puerto Penasco (Rocky Pt.) Mexico a few times and never saw anything. Ever go there for fun?

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There are a few "walls," but one that got some news last was the Texas one. Texas wanted to expand its wall, to something much more expansive than just the chain-link fences.

Mostly texas I believe. Around 2k miles if I remember right.

You left out the gangs they(their kids)create and join.

Nancy Pelosi is in for herself. She got a hidden agenda. Everything she does will benefit her husband business.

^ I heard from somebody that the Dems have outfitted a plane to rival airforce one just for her to fly back and forth from Washington to California direct. Any truth to that rumor?

Walls have never worked. Our country was founded on immigration and much of it was illegal. People who believe everyone legally immigrated through "Ellis island" are living under a rock. We are deeply affected by illegal immigration here in Oregon. i am not saying I am an expert on it but I have definitely experienced it first hand. Our process for legal immigration is absolutely unfair and ridiculously full of bureaucracy.

I'm a pinko liberal, I know, I know.

I'm a liberal. Card caring ACLU member. But I'm against illegal immigration, and that bureaucracy works just fine!

Well I don't belong to the ACLU, but I generally lean pretty far to the left. That said I am opposed to illegal immigration. I have no problem with immigrants, (my great grand parents came from Russia and Denmark,) but they do need to follow the system even if it's broken, otherwise there's no incentive for the people following the law. Why should I wait 10 years and file endless paperwork when my neighbor just jumps the fence?

We have way way too many problems taking care of our own native citizens, we don't need to add fuel to the fire.

try 5% tax plus 7.5 % tax on the 1st tax + the sales amount...then complain...lol

^ yeah, but we don't get free healthcare :P

But you got free health care. We got shaft in the butt....LOL

even cuba has free health care.

america needs free health care. patients getting ripped off by doctors that are only in the profession to count the benjamins.

LOL Of course cuba has free health care.. With the Commies, most services are provided by the state. :D


Tho I really hate to discuss politics...

I just have to say that, the majority of doctors are Not like that, as my wife (Physician) is proof of that, she is also for health care reform.

Plain and simple..It's those good for nothing (god playing) insurance crooks that have to go... :mad:

hehe maybe i should have said France.

lol, just figured I'd put this here:

California City Threatens Legal Action Against Residents With Fake Grass Lawns - The Consumerist

wtf is wrong with cally? :icon17:

I would still rather be here than anywhere else. :icon17:

Actually discussing politics is against the rules of the board.

Raised taxes is what happens in a welfare state. Money doesn't grow on cali trees, to support all those insanely large welfare and social programs in cali, you have to tax the people. I wouldn't ever live in cali, regardless of the weather, I just value individual freedoms too much.

What happens when there is a pseudo-market economy and the goverment keeps bleeding it to provide for a welfare state which take the power out of the people's hand and put them into the hand thats spoon feeding them their own fecal waste...Keynesian economics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


An opposing viewpoint to the keynesian economics and the thougth process behind True market economies which emphasize the natural and untampered life cycles of the marketsAustrian School - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I hear democrats drive 370Z's and republicans drive Mustang 5.0's.







....runs to the hills....runs for my life

i'm a 370Z driving republican :mad:

my thoughts: they are ILLEGAL.

go home, then fill out the papers, and become LEGAL. then take the same job, and pay the same TAXES as everyone else before you enjoy the social infrastructure.

We have Tempe Town Lake! I love swimming there!! Oh, wait...

I paid 9.55% tax on lunch yesterday : /

lol, I was just posting about the banning of the fake grass ... I didn't mean to stir up the pot on everything else :icon17: