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FL 4Motion 07-28-2023 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by filip00 (Post 4043474)
I'm not even arguing with you. I only said a few pages ago that I agree and disagree with you and explained why. Also, not a bad idea to look at the rest of the world once in a while, you could learn a thing or two, regardless if you're living in the best country in the world or not.


One of the biggest reasons our foreign policy has been such a clusterfvxk so often is our arrogance and inability to look at issues from the other’s perspective. Kinda gives you some insight into why our politics are so fvcked up too eh? :)

FL 4Motion 07-28-2023 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by vtec to vvel (Post 4043567)
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/26/busin...ion/index.html

"Larry Summers, the former Obama and Clinton official, slammed parts of President Joe Biden’s economic agenda as “increasingly dangerous” this week, saying it could end up causing higher prices for Americans.

“I am profoundly concerned by the doctrine of manufacturing-centered economic nationalism that is increasingly put forth as a general principle to guide policy,” Summers said on Tuesday while speaking virtually at an event held by the Peterson Institute for International Economics."


I talked about this before on here, you can restore American manufacturing and then we all pay higher costs to offset higher production costs incurred.

Unfortunately average peoples salaries have been declining since the 70s so since our purchasing power is eroded we notice increased manufacturing costs more (inflationary).

Or, we can make our sh1t in China, India, etc and have cheap goods that help people ignore/forget wages have not been increasing for the majority of Americans fairly for the last 50 years but that money has gone to the csuite, stock values and executive compensation at our expense.

You can’t have it both ways.

FL 4Motion 07-28-2023 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by filip00 (Post 4043588)
Also, as I really don't want to argue over topics that have no absolute value, but rather just an imposed one that we made up - one country one way, the other country different way....let me steer into a different direction.

Serious question. Why is the USA presidential election focused on just two candidates? On previous elections it was a choice between a demented old pedofile vs a crazy old maniac. I am quite sure that your country HAS better candidates. Can't they make it through? And why aren't there any other choices, other than just two clowns? Serious question. The year before it was Killary, whose only campaign was "I am a woman". WTF. What am I missing here, serious question.


We have a two party system. Yes, technically there can be as many parties as we want but the political system almost from the get go was designed around two. So that’s where the money goes and ergo the power.

A two party system reduces choice but also increases stability, look at the cluster Fvck that coalition parliamentary systems deal with, we avoid that. (Israel, Spain for example).

Each party has a primary season where various candidates vie for the nomination of their respective party to represent them in the general election. Only registered voters (citizens) of that particular party can vote for a nominee. The contests are held in a handful of predetermined States at different times and you get points (delegates) when you win that state so when the Party’s convention happens later on, we know who the nominee of each respective party will be. Historically, the incumbent president automatically gets his party’s nomination.

Because a limited number of states and within them, a limited number of voters pick the nominee, the contestants (politicians) cater to only a small extreme right or left agenda/group to clinch the nomination and historically, then try to convince the general population in the general election that they didn’t really mean all those extreme things while winking at the extremists who got them nominated to reassure them that they actually did.

Yeah, it’s pretty fvcked up. :ughdance:

FL 4Motion 07-28-2023 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 4043662)
:hello::hello::hello::hello:

how are you man?

Surviving and about to eat dinner. :tiphat:

eastwest2300 07-28-2023 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 4043668)
Surviving and about to eat dinner. :tiphat:

what's for dinner kin folk?

Trips 07-28-2023 08:56 PM

This thread has turned into a dumpster fire. :mad:

I've brought out the firehose and will try to save it.

I've started with an example member and if it continues I'll move on to someone else that continues with the political posts after my last warning.

Please take those discussion or comments elsewhere.

I personally don't care what side of the fence your on.

This is not the place for it. especially in the public off topic section.

And having to see the treatment of fellow members towards each other is also disappointing.

I'll be taking more action if members can't seem to remember to be respectful.

Have a good weekend and stay cool and hydrated. It's Hot even in Cali. :ugh2:

FL 4Motion 07-28-2023 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 4043669)
what's for dinner kin folk?

Wifey made bowl of organic brown rice, broccoli, organic baked chicken breast and peas.

Dessert was some pineapple. :yum:

If it’s not obvious, we’re eating healthy round here. :tup:

FL 4Motion 07-28-2023 09:23 PM

Let’s act like adults please.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Trips (Post 4043672)
This thread has turned into a dumpster fire. :mad:

I've brought out the firehose and will try to save it.

I've started with an example member and if it continues I'll move on to someone else that continues with the political posts after my last warning.

Please take those discussion or comments elsewhere.

I personally don't care what side of the fence your on.

This is not the place for it. especially in the public off topic section.

And having to see the treatment of follow members towards each other is also disappointing.

I'll be taking more action if members can't seem to remember to be respectful.

Have a good weekend and stay cool and hydrated. It's Hot even in Cali. :ugh2:

/\ I know I enjoy and have participated/started conversations around politics and other hot button issues, BUT, I have also done my best to keep things respectful and not personally attack anyone or harass or troll others.

I don’t understand why this seems to be so hard for some folks on here. I for one enjoy a vigorous and even heated debate, it’s not hard to NOT get personal about it.

I’m old enough to remember there was a time in this country, only a decade and a half or two ago when someone’s political leanings didn’t factor into whether you were friends with them and whether or not you considered them a good person or not.

How about we try being a bit more understanding and patient with each other and less trolling, personal insults etc.

I was excited some new “old” members cam back to hang out and then understandably they left cause some folks here treated them with disrespect and trolled them. Come on y’all, we can be better. :mad:

blackcherry20 07-28-2023 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtec to vvel (Post 4043656)
My comment was more rhetorical and wasn't directed at you lol.

I'm all for equal women's rights, but at the same time, they have to take the good with the bad. If a female comes up to me and hits me, she should expect for me to hit back, just as I would with a dude.

Oh for gods sakes. It has nothing to do with female. Stop ghosting. Please.

blackcherry20 07-28-2023 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 4043674)
/\ I know I enjoy and have participated/started conversations around politics and other hot button issues, BUT, I have also done my best to keep things respectful and not personally attack anyone or harass or troll others.

I don’t understand why this seems to be so hard for some folks on here. I for one enjoy a vigorous and even heated debate, it’s not hard to NOT get personal about it.

I’m old enough to remember there was a time in this country, only a decade and a half or two ago when someone’s political leanings didn’t factor into whether you were friends with them and whether or not you considered them a good person or not.

How about we try being a bit more understanding and patient with each other and less trolling, personal insults etc.

I was excited some new “old” members cam back to hang out and then understandably they left cause some folks here treated them with disrespect and trolled them. Come on y’all, we can be better. :mad:


:tiphat:
I’ll move on. Maybe Trips won’t delete my account. Lol.

My apologies for rocking the boat. :tiphat:

eastwest2300 07-28-2023 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 4043673)
Wifey made bowl of organic brown rice, broccoli, organic baked chicken breast and peas.

Dessert was some pineapple. :yum:

If it’s not obvious, we’re eating healthy round here. :tup:

:icon17:

The first few words I read, I thought to myself... ohh man, thats healthy. Good for you brother.. rock on!

eastwest2300 07-28-2023 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by blackcherry20 (Post 4043678)
:tiphat:
I’ll move on. Maybe Trips won’t delete my account. Lol.

My apologies for rocking the boat. :tiphat:

No need to apologize Mrs. Cherries, you literally did nothing wrong.

blackcherry20 07-28-2023 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 4043680)
No need to apologize Mrs. Cherries, you literally did nothing wrong.

You can only take so much. Easier for me to just vacate…right?
It’s the internet 🤣

eastwest2300 07-28-2023 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by blackcherry20 (Post 4043681)
You can only take so much. Easier for me to just vacate…right?
It’s the internet ��

Yup, and you have a lot of keyboard warriors out there in this world, its just easier placing them in that little ignore box... :icon17:

blackcherry20 07-28-2023 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 4043682)
Yup, and you have a lot of keyboard warriors out there in this world, its just easier placing them in that little ignore box... :icon17:

I do enjoy the conversations. And discussions. And conjecture. And just plain interactions. And if you and I can get along…good lord, it should all be good. Right? Lol

eastwest2300 07-28-2023 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by blackcherry20 (Post 4043683)
I do enjoy the conversations. And discussions. And conjecture. And just plain interactions. And if you and I can get along…good lord, it should all be good. Right? Lol

Mrs. Cherries, you and I have always gotten along, and its been years.:icon17:

BettyZ 07-28-2023 11:21 PM

*tumbleweed*

Leingod 07-28-2023 11:32 PM

Smells like jbweld in here

Rusty 07-29-2023 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trips (Post 4043672)
This thread has turned into a dumpster fire. :mad:

I've brought out the firehose and will try to save it.

I've started with an example member and if it continues I'll move on to someone else that continues with the political posts after my last warning.

Please take those discussion or comments elsewhere.

I personally don't care what side of the fence your on.

This is not the place for it. especially in the public off topic section.

And having to see the treatment of follow members towards each other is also disappointing.

I'll be taking more action if members can't seem to remember to be respectful.

Have a good weekend and stay cool and hydrated. It's Hot even in Cali. :ugh2:

Seen this coming. Was told once. Didn't listen.

Rusty 07-29-2023 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Leingod (Post 4043687)
Smells like jbweld in here

No it don't. More like a zombie wearing axe body spray.

danegrey 07-29-2023 05:58 AM

Morning all,
enjoy the day for all its worth...
:)

MZ DAIZY 07-29-2023 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 4043663)
Definitely agree about not being taxpayer funded, I view it as a medical procedure up to a point in most cases and someone’s elective medical procedures should be self funded.

As far as not being a constitutional right, no it’s not explicitly stated as a right in the constitution vis a vis firearms, speech etc. But, it imo falls under being an unenumerated right ie it’s a right guaranteed in the constitution not explicitly stated but in order for someone to have personal freedom it is covered.

We all reasonably expect that we have autonomy over our bodies and medical care as adults. That’s not explicitly stated in the constitution but it’s not a stretch to say it is covered by the same, can’t have life, liberty and the persuit of happiness if someone else forces or denies you medical care that you can pay for.

Like forcing someone to inject an experimental drug into their bodies or lose their job and health insurance?

MZ DAIZY 07-29-2023 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BettyZ (Post 4043686)
*tumbleweed*

Where the hell have YOU been?

eastwest2300 07-29-2023 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danegrey (Post 4043694)
Morning all,
enjoy the day for all its worth...
:)

:hello::hello:

you too sir:tiphat:

blackcherry20 07-29-2023 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leingod (Post 4043687)
Smells like jbweld in here

Lol

eastwest2300 07-29-2023 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by blackcherry20 (Post 4043699)
Lol

Morning mrs. cherries, you and mr. cherries have a great day.

JNews86 07-29-2023 10:48 AM

Ah man those great tags are erased too.

blackcherry20 07-29-2023 11:31 AM

Good afternoon boys.

eastwest2300 07-29-2023 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by blackcherry20 (Post 4043706)
Good afternoon boys.

:hello::hello:

JNews86 07-29-2023 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 4043664)
The military is the same way unfortunately.

Oh I am well aware of that lol. It's complete bs

Rusty 07-29-2023 01:25 PM

:hello:

MZ DAIZY 07-29-2023 01:59 PM

Ummmm… it sure is hot today…. Unless someone is offended…. Then please accept my apology. it’s not too hot…. :wtf2:

MZ DAIZY 07-29-2023 04:55 PM

Mr. Softee truck disappears from South Jersey neighborhood after complaint about music. :yum:

https://www.fox29.com/news/mr-softee...nt-about-music

:gtfo2:

https://youtu.be/4EQm_5_XrAU

JNews86 07-29-2023 05:51 PM

Almost Yankees time

blackcherry20 07-29-2023 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MZ DAIZY (Post 4043713)
Ummmm… it sure is hot today…. Unless someone is offended…. Then please accept my apology. it’s not too hot…. :wtf2:

:tup:

blackcherry20 07-29-2023 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MZ DAIZY (Post 4043719)
Mr. Softee truck disappears from South Jersey neighborhood after complaint about music. :yum:

https://www.fox29.com/news/mr-softee...nt-about-music

:gtfo2:

https://youtu.be/4EQm_5_XrAU

:eek:

FL 4Motion 07-29-2023 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MZ DAIZY (Post 4043695)
Like forcing someone to inject an experimental drug into their bodies or lose their job and health insurance?

I agree 100%.

The Covid vaccines had EUA (emergency use authorization), that means that the phase 1-3 trials that can take YEARS were not completed and/or skipped.

In a situation like this if we had areial easily transmissible Ebola as our pandemic (god forbid), then facing a 50-90% mortality rate, forcing us all to get vaccinated would have been the lesser of two evils. And frankly almost no one would be complaining bc the disease is so deadly.

However, Covid is not Ebola. It only has a 2% mortality rate give or take, it’s comparable to the flu but just way more transmissible.

In this situation, the one we actually faced/continue to face, mandatory rushed to market vaccines don’t make sense other than from a capitalist pharmaceutical company making boatloads of $$ perspective.

The federal government overreacted re: mandatory vaccines and what worries me is if the next pandemic actually IS something catastrophic, people won’t get vaccinated bc they don’t trust the govt etc.

blackcherry20 07-29-2023 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 4043727)
I agree 100%.

The Covid vaccines had EUA (emergency use authorization), that means that the phase 1-3 trials that can take YEARS were not completed and/or skipped.

In a situation like this if we had areial easily transmissible Ebola as our pandemic (god forbid), then facing a 50-90% mortality rate, forcing us all to get vaccinated would have been the lesser of two evils. And frankly almost no one would be complaining bc the disease is so deadly.

However, Covid is not Ebola. It only has a 2% mortality rate give or take, it’s comparable to the flu but just way more transmissible.

In this situation, the one we actually faced/continue to face, mandatory rushed to market vaccines don’t make sense other than from a capitalist pharmaceutical company making boatloads of $$ perspective.

The federal government overreacted re: mandatory vaccines and what worries me is if the next pandemic actually IS something catastrophic, people won’t get vaccinated bc they don’t trust the govt etc.

Exactly. I’m taking my chances. I’m old. And you gotta go someday.

MZ DAIZY 07-30-2023 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 4043727)
I agree 100%.

The Covid vaccines had EUA (emergency use authorization), that means that the phase 1-3 trials that can take YEARS were not completed and/or skipped.

In a situation like this if we had areial easily transmissible Ebola as our pandemic (god forbid), then facing a 50-90% mortality rate, forcing us all to get vaccinated would have been the lesser of two evils. And frankly almost no one would be complaining bc the disease is so deadly.

However, Covid is not Ebola. It only has a 2% mortality rate give or take, it’s comparable to the flu but just way more transmissible.

In this situation, the one we actually faced/continue to face, mandatory rushed to market vaccines don’t make sense other than from a capitalist pharmaceutical company making boatloads of $$ perspective.

The federal government overreacted re: mandatory vaccines and what worries me is if the next pandemic actually IS something catastrophic, people won’t get vaccinated bc they don’t trust the govt etc.

The writing was on the wall when they made you sign a release form giving up your right to sue them for wrongful death.

I had Covid 4 times (so far) and I’ve never felt close to dying. Totally overblown. I had a friend of mine with stage 4 lung cancer. His death was ruled Covid related. The whole thing was a sham. From the origins to the vaccines, to the mandates and lockdowns. One giant sham.

Did people die from Covid? Of course. But since almost everyone that was dying then was ruled a Covid death. I’d love to see the real numbers.

“My body, my choice”. Sometimes…

blackcherry20 07-30-2023 07:01 AM

Morning! :tiphat:


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