I'm not angry nor asking for 100% accurate results, and I understand weather is not an exact science. BUT, given the education/technology/qualifications/etc. needed, meteorologist should and need to give a better picture of its projected path based on conditions and factors (i.e. warm air, warm water, wind shear, troughs, any jet streams that could push the hurricane away to a different direction, etc.). They have plenty of tools and resources and KNOWN variables to depict these phenomenons. There will be different scenarios, but these should be very limited, and not have the spaghetti models with the entire alphabet.

So you're telling me it's much easier to communicate with someone that is millions of miles away and in space with unknown territory/variables than someone who is less than 3 miles underwater on home turf with better known variables?

We can map the moon, but we can't map out 3 miles of underwater of the general area of where the Titanic is? We don't need to map out the entire ocean for this, let alone the Mariana Trench.

I am amazed society has apparently only mapped <10% of the global ocean.

have a fantastic day today brother!:tiphat:

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He know's his stuff..:tup::tup:

I look forward to reading your thesis on how we can improve not only ocean mapping, but also meteorology. I await with baited breath.

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I didn't bring up ocean mapping, someone else did. Perhaps you can enlighten us on this.

Meteorology: Again, it's not an exact science, but it's not rocket science either. They (the meteorologists) should be able to make better educated projections, at least a lot more educated and accurate than what they have been.

EW, what's your favorite flavor of ice cream?

Yes, because he was able to look up how we as a society don't know our own planet. Great observation :tup:

I'm a little late on this, but I now understand the reference, courtesy of youtube.

Holy sh!t....

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/20/u...bmersible.html

"OceanGate Was Warned of Potential for ‘Catastrophic’ Problems With Titanic Mission."

"Experts inside and outside the company warned of potential dangers and urged the company to undergo a certification process."

We may not have ocean mapping squared away, but having multiple warnings of "catastrophic" problems with OceanGate and still moving forward with the mission. What say you on this?

https://www.fox13news.com/news/tropi...esser-antilles

"Neither Tropical Storm Bret nor Tropical Depression #4 will impact the United States."

I hope they are right.

I'm just curious how we are supposed to find something that is lost in the middle of something we don't even have 10% mapped out. How did we send people to the moon? We mapped out the way, the fuel needed, the technology needed, the additional resources REQUIRED, etc.

So your question about how we can't solve the problem of finding folks in the ocean is clearly dependent on the understanding of the environment we are exploring. By exploring, we map.

Quick google search:

https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/20/a-...-he-was-fired/

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/21/11834...te-submersible

Amazing what a quick search can yield. Also it's easy to complain. It's hard to come up with solutions that are grounded in science. Enjoy the rest of your day.

I find it reprehensible that someone is monetizing a tragedy that took 1500 souls. These ghouls played a stupid game and won a stupid prize.

Hope that $250,000 was worth it!

That is exactly my point. We have the time/energy/resources to map out space for the moon, which is thousands of miles away, but can't take the same resources to map out less than 3 miles underwater?

This is a "problem" that can easily be solved: map out the general area of the ocean of their target area. In this case, the resting place of the Titanic. Like you said, explore to map the 3 miles of underwater. I think we both can agree that it is MUCH easier to explore/map 3 miles underwater than it is to explore/map thousands of miles into space.


Lol Did I come across as complaining? I was thinking it was more of expressing shock/astonishment. At the end of the day, this doesn't affect me personally so I really don't have any complaints about this.

If it is SO MUCH easier, than why aren't you doing it? Do you have a solution to present? I'll wait...

They can't. Now what? Should we all fire them?

they can give accurate predictions maybe 24h in advance. More than that is pure guesswork.

Now what?

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well said sir.:tup::tup:

Yes, I'm telling you exactly that. I'll even give you another analogy. One person in space, the other on earth. The dude in space only needs to make a flash of light and you will see it, regardless of your distance. If you replace light by radiowaves, you will get communication.

Now beneath the deep ocean...is a different medium. There are other objects in between (hint: there are virtually NO objects in space between us and the moon [except maybe some satellites]), and there are also deep sea caverns, and the pressure is larger, and waves do not travel freely in this medium.....even light can't penetrate it.....do...you....see where I'm going with this?

I am shocked that you are what, questioning this? You think that's not the case, or what? Or you think they should've mapped more? How? Read my comment above.

I'm waiting with ya.

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Saddest part is - I didn't need to look up the fact that the ocean floor is virtually completely unmapped. Also, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand the difference between mapping an ocean floor and a foreign space body. YES THE MOON IS FURTHER. YES. But that does not mean you can't observe it from afar. That does not mean you can't map the whole fckn thing - we've got incredible telescopes.

And ocean? Do you have underwater telescopes? WE DON'T. Do we have super submersible vessels that withstand crazy pressures deep beneath? NO SIR, WE DON'T HAVE THOSE EITHER. And I'm not sarcastic here - WE DON'T HAVE THESE. Even the most advanced nuclear submarines can only submerge a couple of hundred meters deep.
So seriously - how DO you go about mapping the ocean floor? Light doesn't penetrate deeper than maybe 100 meters. Then what? I mean, do you even fathom the practical problems of mapping the ocean floor?

The only thing we've got is sonar. Fckn sonar. You know what that gives us? It gives us a ROUGH ESTIMATE of depth and where the walls are. That's it. Good luck with anything else. If there's an underwater cave - we'll miss it unless we go around the siphon to see it.

****, I'm tired of explaining.

Do me a favor now and you tell me. Seriously - you tell me, what do you think is going on? You think that we actually mapped the ocean floor? You think there's a conspiracy against it or what? Seriously asking this, I'm not joking, I genuinely want to understand how do you view this, because it will help me understand how someone else doesn't understand this, and I'll maybe be able to explain better and easier next time.

rest in peace and prayers for their loved ones to those 5 lost in the titanic incident..

I'd be more than happy to take this challenge on. You want to invest in the R&D and salary aspects for me?

Yep, fire them and tell them to :gtfo2::gtfo2::gtfo2::gtfo2:

Didn't think my posts and opinions would create such traction lol. You do you and I'll do me.

But be careful, there are those here that will take these posts as political and report. Still wondering who among us that is.

DaveZ03, be sure to send a blank check my way and I will gladly take on the ocean mapping project. Someone has to do it.

So what next topic can we discuss? :tup:

So you can't be arsed to be at least that decent to tell me - what YOUR take on this whole thing is? I mean, you plant the **** seed, insinuate that something else is going on, but you can't actually follow through and elaborate? I'm disappointed man. Do explain, because like I said - I'm genuinely interested in what's going on in your head, because I think you're the perfect "normal" dude here, who might be able to fill in the gap between myself, and someone who is a conspiracy theorist. So I wonder, who's in between, what do average people think - what *actually* happened there?

I'm not sure what more of an explanation you are wanting. My original post was regarding hurricane/meteorology forecasts and the accuracy of them. No conspiracy theory or hidden agenda, or insinuating of "anything going on". Somehow, ocean mapping got into the picture.

There really isn't anything to explain/dive further on, as my stance is with meteorologists having need to be educated and certified, paired with technology and being able to take into consideration different weather conditions/variables, they should be able to make better/more accurate forecasts. I get it's not an exact science, BUT, each news station team has a panel of meteorologists (not just 1) and usually confer amongst themselves. I am wondering as to why something major as a hurricane can have multitudes of scenarios (rather than just a limited few) and be way off. The meteorologists should be able to use different events, such as fronts, troughs, El Nino, La Nina, wind shears, un/favorable conditions, etc. and be able to formulate a few accurate paths.

In terms of ocean mapping, again, I didn't bring this up, but the distances involved for the ocean and outer space are not comparable. From the surface to the location of the Titanic is less than 3 miles deep, whereas the distance from Earth to the Moon is thousands of miles away. Logically, one could think it is easier to map the ocean floor of where the Titanic sits than to map out the Moon. If we have the technology to map out the Moon with an advanced telescope, then I would think we would also have the technology (or could develop) to map underwater that's less than 3 miles deep.

How about this for conspiracy theory? There's no way in H3LL your seats can be that perfect (i.e. no creases, no lines, no wrinkles, no scratches, no stain transfer, etc.) and be a 2009. I think you bought new OEM seats and put them in recently.

Yes, now the next set of ghouls can pay to visit TWO graves sites.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...old-initiative

"We have plans to build a railroad from the Pacific all the way across the Indian Ocean," Biden told the League of Conservation Voters at their annual dinner in Washington, D.C., on Wednesday night. "We have plans to build in Angola, one of the largest solar plants in the world. I could go on, but I'm not. I'm going off script. I'm going to get in trouble."

DaveZ03, now would be a great time to send me a blank check for funding to map out the ocean flooring. It's an untapped market and Brandon is planning on building "a railroad from the Pacific all the way across the Indian Ocean".

I appreciate the explanation of your reasoning. So if I understand correctly, the main reason why you view this as odd (to have moon mapped, on not ocean) is the sheer distance differential between the two. I get it.
Well, I can safely say - that's one of those illusions. However far space may seem, you are talking about exploring something simply by having a telescope. Newton and Kepler were both successful at observing distant bodies centuries ago, but diving - nobody has.
Another important piece - in space, you are dealing with just ONE atmosphere of pressure difference between Earth and Space. In the deep ocean, the difference can be 300 Atmospheres of pressure. So we are talking about a COMPLETELY different challenge. Take that as well into your perspective.

Kudos for this one :)

I'll make a picture in the brightest daylight for you, I think I do have one mini crease on the driver's side :)

I will publicly cut my balls off if anyone builds a railroad for commercial use across the ocean floor in the next 15 years.

Sorry for beating a dead horse, but this is last post regarding this oceangate crap:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCW9BbpER2I&t=9m03s

On this link (timestamp annotated), you can listen to an interesting discussion about the submarine vs space station. Why is it actually much harder to construct a submarine, than a space station to be put in space.

God save the Queen, Man! :roflpuke2::roflpuke2::roflpuke2: