Did you see what happen in the state senate? Almost had a fist fight. The Lt governor threw a hissy fit and had to be removed from the room.

Do you have the oem wheels laying around to toss on and see if it goes away?
Idk much about your roads but you can have four ****** up wheels here easily.

I heard that. :shakes head:

No, sold em because we didn't have space to store them at the time.

Edit: Moreso wondering if Konigs are really that bad? I know they're the cheaper option of wheels (it's a mazda) but surely they should hold up to regular driving with a rare pothole here or there...?

Bugger.

Jack each wheel up and give it a spin while looking for any sign of the wheel being out of true.

i'm not in medical, i fully trust science with my life, but i do not trust the multi billion dollar corps that thrive off fuckin over people for profit.

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Happy Thursday Morning! Another cookie cutter sunny day with a high of 61 here in North AZ. Have a great day and stay safe and sanitary.

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I'll see if i can pay JAR for his services for this.

Just let him run over a few squirrels with it. Maybe a concrete block or 2.

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Possible, depending on the roads you drive on. I'm not familiar with the Konig and how they stack up with other brands. :icon14:

All I can say is things have definitely gotten a lot more interesting in the past 72 hours.

People are loosing their dang minds. Just stupid.

Kansas & Missouri had protests at their respective Capitols by Trump supporters. They were quiet and well-behaved according to LE present.

What I'm more concerned about is what happens after January 20. The media was calling the events yesterday an 'insurrection', but called the summer events 'a peaceful protest'. Every media outlet that I listened to said the exact same thing, blaming it on Trump supporters. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. Has anyone ever heard of the term 'agent provocateur'? They are people inserted into a crowd of an opponent's supporters with the sole function to create an environment for mayhem and mischief to occur, thereby enabling the elites to label ALL of the opponent's supporters as troublemakers and rounding them up. :eekdance:

Now, I'm not saying this is what happened, but... given what I know about history and having studied Von Clausewitz and Sun Tzu, it bears considering. What better way to demonize a part of the population that disagrees with you? You call them 'bitter clingers, a basket of deplorables' and then blame them for attacking the Capital (shades of 1930s Germany when the SA burned the Reichstag and Hitler blamed the Communists). :shakes head:

I'm tired of it all. America was founded as a place where we could be free of the petty ******** happening in Europe in the 18th Century. Everyone was welcome to come and find their piece of freedom. Somewhere along the way, we got lost. We got stupid and it's gone downhill ever since. I believe Benjamin Franklin once said when queried about what they had created, "A Republic, if you can keep it." Can we save our Republic? Maybe. How? I have no idea, and that thought makes me profoundly sad. :(

I can agree with pretty much everything you have stated other than "Everyone was welcome" as America has always struggled with this idea and as diversity grows the more intense it has become. Even those from diverse backgrounds that have been able to find success struggle with being inclusive once they have got theirs. We will not move forward as long as we think that all we need to do is eliminate those that don't believe or think the same way "we do!" If we just get rid of them all will be okay. No where in the history of man has this worked. As the saying goes, "We have found the enemy and the enemy is us!"

I agree with just about all of your conclusions, but regarding your first point, these are not just agent provacateurs. Some of the persons visible in the riot videos have long and public histories of being radicals and QAnon followers. If they're provacateurs we're talking deep undercover and planning for an unknown event months in advance, and an extraordinarily large group of people willing to do it.

The problem with conspiracy theories is they rely upon an often unsustainable level of complexity to support them, and it's not needed. Let's be blunt - a lot of people (on every side - it's not just 2) have a lot of reasons to be unhappy with our both our current government and with the government incoming. If I were a Trump supporter who believed my leader had been denied the election due to corruption, and my leader called upon me to march to take things back, I would probably do it. These people did.

This is so true. I needed the Pogo quote for the laugh. :tup:

You said it better than I did. Results and ideals are never the same, history shows us that. I think the challenge before us is restoring respectful discussion. I've learned that there are only two things I can control, my attitude and my actions. I have influence over people to the extent that I control those two things.

I want to be a part of the solution and not be considered the problem. I think I've learned how to get along with people, being in the military helped. I've learned how not to treat people and the old saw 'You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar' is entirely true. I've run for public office (Kansas House of Representatives) on 3 occasions, lost all three times, but what I learned was enormous. I had people cuss me out, sic their dogs on me, and threaten to shoot me, just because of the party I represented. :icon14: But on the other hand, I had people be honestly surprised that a candidate would knock on their door and ask their opinion. TBH, I don't like people so the act of knocking on a stranger's door and asking for them to vote for me was WAY outside my comfort zone. :eekdance:

I highly recommend the experience. :tup:

I guess I was trying to examine too many things under a microscope, instead of looking at it through a macro lens. :ugh2:

Well the question does need to be asked, and it's worth considering, but Occam's Razor comes in handy here. That and the old adage "if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably..."

For the record, I know many good and law abiding Trump supporters the same way I know many good and law abiding BLM supporters (and I don't mean supporters of the marxist doctrines which some of the founders embrace and which is often used as a talking point).

Edit: Oh and the media can absolutely suck a nut because their reporting is anything but fair and even handed. Not that any of us had any questions about it at this point, but you can't just call protests "mostly peaceful" up until you don't agree with what they're protesting, and then change the language to "violent coup attempt"

Very well said :tiphat:

Lighten up.....

:wtf2:

Bring it by :twocents:

America is now the Land of Idiocy and the Home of Idiots.

From what I can tell, there's no reason to think positively anymore. All the attention is negative, so that's what people have to focus on if they want to accomplish anything.

I had to ask people to turn off the fuckin news yesterday. And they got mad at me for that :rolleyes: I subsequently called them The Problem and laughed while they got more angry :rofl2:

Idiocracy. If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend that you do.

Neighbor got back from DC late last night. Just got done talking to him. What he said it was peaceful until they got to the capitol building. In the crowd around him and his friends. They could hear what some of the people was planning to do. And it wasn't good. He said they was all AntiFa with MAGA hats on. He saw them pulling ropes, gas masks, hammers, and some other stuff out of their back packs. He this group got their azz beat pretty good by another group. He stood back and watched what happened. He didn't want any parts of it.

Hopefully this comes across well, but how does your neighbor know these guys were Antifa? I'm asking this because despite the fact that I'm involved somewhat heavily in local politics and know a lot of people from a lot of groups, I haven't met a single person who meets that description, much less an organized group of individuals spanning the US who do. AntiFa is a label - anti fascist. As far as the name goes, I'd hope that many of us are indeed anti fascists, but as far as the way I hear them described by people as an organized and violent group of extremist left wing nuts, I'm not meeting them or aware of their existence. On the other hand, I'm very aware of groups like the Oath Keepers.

I'm not unwilling to change my perspective, but what we are encountering in our areas is very different.

:rolleyes:

Pictured in the capital building standing next to the Qanon shaman Jake angeli is two known white supremacists. Dont miss the Camp Auschwitz hoodie.

WeRe aLl AnTiFa SeCrEtLy

Antifa is basically Meg from Family Guy to the right. If it’s bad, Meg did it. Even if they thought it was good at first, as soon as the optics are bad, Meg did it.

If Antifa is "an idea" as Biden called them, then I wonder who's been burning down our cities, attacking the elderly and Trump supporters for the last four years. BLM?

Exactly. And the people that I know personally who were supportive (not condemning of) this takeover of the capitol, violence included, are most assuredly not left leaning.

I want to stress heavily I'm not attacking a side here. We've touched on this stuff in discussions in the past and I know that most of us on this forum are strongly in agreement on any number of political points. Polarization is the enemy. If we can't have civil discourse, we've already become as lost as most of the country.

Not sure why there seems to be blind spots with the far right. I moved to Kingman in 1993 just after the Oklahoma City bombing. Timothy McVey and one of his accomplices were from Kingman. The far right is all about moving democracy backwards and is not about being inclusive at all. All those 1 percenter groups are about hate and don't care about nothing but their own ideology.

I know how much some of this is probably geographic, but in my area, Megan and I both got stuck in the middle of a BLM/All Lives Matter protest (didn't know we were driving down a protest route). The ALM group were spitting on the BLM people, who had peacefully assembled, and had a permit. They were screaming profanity, calling them N*rs, and generally being as disrespectful as possible.

Stopping the violence were the police. So we had good police, bad ALM, good BLM people here. I recognize this is anecdotal evidence, I'm just relating my experience.

No doubt there are bad ALM and there are good (peaceful) ALM just like there are bad BLM and good BLM (peaceful). What I'm wondering is, what group has been burning down our cities and attacking citizens with red hats for the last four years. There has to be some organization behind it.

My town and my county is a red as they come and most my friends are Trumpers and good people. I don't have a problem with the right or the left and I chose to swing either way depending on the topic. There was a small BLM rally in our town as it is the county seat. There were all kinds of rumors of Antifa coming to town and folks being paid to come and protest...riot and cause unrest. Not a single arrest with those protesting but there were several arrest made to those in opposition of the march. Lots of folks carrying long guns and calling names.

We got to quit letting the fringe on either side move us from the ideals that we all believe in. Justice for all! All men/women are created equal and that life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is for everyone. :tiphat:

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Exactly.