Where do you think I got the info from?? :tup:

Wifey was hanging out with them as well at zdayz. :tiphat:

We called it a switch hitter.

As a human race as a whole we still think selfishly and in short term like any other animal. In order for our species to survive and improve into the future we collectively need to start seeing the bigger picture so to speak.

A deer without sufficient predators etc to keep it in balance will overpopulate an area and eat too much of the vegetation and create self inflicted famine and disease which then knocks the population back into equilibrium again. Or some wolves move into that area and kill off enough deer to accomplish the same thing.

Sustainable farming that doesn’t strip the land of its nutrients and cutting down on # of livestock and eating less meat, especially red meat; reducing our population by breeding less, dealing with our self inflicted global warming/climate change mess using science and common sense not panic or denial; etc

We all need to start thinking less selfishly short term and more long term. We still think and act like the less intelligent animals on this planet, our politics reflect that as well as how we live etc.

We’re the only intelligent and self aware enough animal to even have a conversation about this stuff or realize that it’s happening. That means we have the capacity to do something about it if we try hard enough.

Until we can think bigger than just our own short term self interest, we will continue to be a disease on this planet bc we operate like a parasite that can’t help itself from killing its host even if that means it inadvertently kills itself.

Go preach to China. They are the worlds largest polluter. They pollute more then everyone else combined. Until they change. Nothing is going to happen. Only your standard of living will go down. And lay your hands off my cows. I love my red meat.

Agree about China, but we lead by example, and then collectively countries can put pressure on them to improve.

One of the main reasons China is the world’s largest polluter besides too many Chinese people (see my statements above re breeding) is bc they are basically the world’s factory. Our country had much worse pollution in the 50s thru 70s as well and ironically as we offshored more and more manufacturing industry over there, we reduced our pollution as a by product.

I never said I wanted to ban red meat but your reaction to my statement is exactly the problem we are facing. Point fingers at everyone else and use them as an excuse not to do anything and not take responsibility and then refuse to even consider small changes. I never said no red meat, I said eat less of it is better for your personal health as well as our planet’s health.

Why should I slice my own throat so that China can rule over me. They are buying influence in this country and all other countries. Hollywood won't even make a movie that shows China in a bad light. Why, because of Chinese money.

John Cena just made an apology to China for him saying that Taiwan was a country. Why? Because of the new movie Fast & Furious 9. They want to show it in China.

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the world needs more peace and love. thats what i think.

we live in troubled times...

we can all do better.

But you’re not being asked to slice your own throat. Bringing blue collar jobs back here as much as possible from China but building cleaner running manufacturing facilities would help us, and hurt China actually. And reduce their influence and power over our economy.

All of us being a little bit better and conscientious about how we live will have big changes collectively. I’m not suggesting radical measures for any one person. I’ll bring up the red meat thing again since we’ve been debating that one. Imagine just eating red meat only once or twice a week, assuming you’re eating it more frequently than that, hats not a big change personally, but if millions do something like that, it has a huge ripple effect.

Another example would be thermostat settings. In the summer if more folks set their thermostat at 76 deg vs say 68-72 deg, not only would you save $$, we’d also burn less fossil fuel. Win win.

As far as China buying influence in our country and others. I agree with you I don’t like it. It’s why we need to invest in foreign countries not cut back on foreign investment by our state department. Interestingly, a lot of countries that took that Chinese money are now realizing that it came with strings attatched and they’re not to happy about it.

Re Hollywood, I agree with you again but I’m also a capitalist and companies are gonna go where the $$ is and they will suck up to the biggest consumer base. That used to be us, now it’s them.

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dooods.

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Switch hitter = men or boys! LMAO

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Please don’t put a cabosh on our “spirited” debate. We’re all adults here and it’s fun. Plus I for one come from the era of “sticks and stones may break my bonez, but words will never hurt me”. :tup:

Unless China has bought off the370z as well, (those bastards)), is nothing sacred anymore. :eek:

Switch hitter reps :tiphat:

Oh, No worries I see we can have a civil discussion as long as someone doesn't bring up "What type oil is best" :icon17:

Blue collar, skilled trades jobs are hurting for people. Why? The last couple of generations of kids were told to go to college and get a degree that doesn't mean a thing. Gender Studies degree? Really? They don't want to get their hands dirty. They would rather play on the computer, then make something with their hands. How many people have degrees that can't get a job in the field of their studies? A lot. The local trades unions here have been putting ads out to attract people. A apprentice starting out, learning a skill gets paid $40,000 a yr.

Funny, But really sad state of things with the younger confused generation :ugh2:

Pitcher - Catcher

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Just noticed they brought back "Press Your Luck" game show
Whammy Whammy Whammy NO Whammy!!

I only use abiogenic oil . :tup:

No wonder FL 4's wife went to zdayZ without him. What a buzzkill!

lol

Amen, agree 100%.

College can many times be an overrated debt ridden waste. :tup:

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Lol,

The secret to a healthy marriage that lasts for decades is a little bit of time apart sometimes. :tup:

Plus that’s a really long trip for me, I can’t travel that far.

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yup.:iagree:

dude, that was literally the only thing on tv tonight.. wtf.:shakes head:

Well, so much for starting to research ls swapping a 240-280z lol, that was my original plan tonight :icon17:

Got a bit sidetracked :rofl2:

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Have a good night y’all.

Agreed! These days you don't know who or what you are taking home from the bar. Glad to be married to a woman.

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Have to do an equipment inspection before buying it/she/whatever a drink.

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one must be strong to stand the test of time.:iagree:

I want to have a drink with the opposite sex, not one of the Heinz 57 varieties. :shakes head:

Evening all (or at least it is in my time zone, guess for most of you it's early AM). Just caught up on missed threads, glad you're all seeming to be well, and that spirited debate lives on. 😀 Hawaii has been amazing. Vacation is sadly drawing to a close. We've done a lot of hiking, some snorkeling, some swimming, eaten a lot of good food, and generally had a much better time than at work! I've even spotted a few Z cars. Looking forward to getting back into mine - the rental is a Malibu, not terrible but numb steering, and bad handling. Quiet cabin, good fuel economy, and good cargo space though. We're returning to the continental US on Friday, home early Saturday.