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jchammond 05-12-2021 02:10 AM

3:10 to Yuma :tup:

jchammond 05-12-2021 04:27 AM

:hello: Morning Folks

jchammond 05-12-2021 04:27 AM

Happy HumpDay/ToolDay/TurboDay Everybody :tup:

jchammond 05-12-2021 04:28 AM

Don’t forget to gas up your gas holes :wtf2:

JLarson 05-12-2021 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3994857)
You forgot North Korea.

Didn't forget them, they just have a lot smaller budget. Doesn't mean they aren't a threat, but apparently in the banking world, they have less of an impact.

JLarson 05-12-2021 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3994849)
A lot of the technology they pushed aside for now just isn't cost efficient yet. Once they get the cost under control, then we will see it. 10 to 15 yrs later. If NASA ever at their act together like they did for the Apollo missions. You would see an explosion of tech. Funny thing is. NASA can't build the F1 rocket motors for the Saturn booster any more. They don't know how the engineers did it back then. All the notes were lost.

This brings to mind an interesting story from Boeing a while back, as told to me by our consultant, an ex-Boeing guy from way back. I'm not sure on time frame, but following a massive wave of retirements from older Boeing personnel, Boeing's assembly lines abruptly found themselves unable to fabricate several of their aircraft. They had to call back the retirees, because of all the custom or one-off stuff the retirees actually did to make components fit - shims, special custom tools, that kind of thing. It was a metric buttload of stuff that those fellas knew, and which had never been documented anywhere.

The whole clause 7.1.6 Organizational Knowledge was written into ISO9001:2015 partly as a result of trying to make organizations capture that kind of knowledge proactively, instead of reactively.

God-Speed 05-12-2021 05:49 AM

Good Wednesday Morning All. Just a few more days to go until the weekend. :happydance: Due to a cold front, the high today is 69* with a 30% chance of rain. :bowdown: Off to the gym, so hope you all have a Great Wednesday. Stay Safe, Stay Positive and Keep Washing Those Hands. :tup:

eastwest2300 05-12-2021 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3994858)
The end for her is near. She won't get reelected. No support for her in her home state.

thats what happens when you refuse to buy in to the lies of the former guy. its actually kinda sad to see.

eastwest2300 05-12-2021 06:00 AM

morning boys and girls.. :hello:

JARblue 05-12-2021 06:37 AM

:yawn:

madwi 05-12-2021 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3994849)
A lot of the technology they pushed aside for now just isn't cost efficient yet. Once they get the cost under control, then we will see it. 10 to 15 yrs later. If NASA ever at their act together like they did for the Apollo missions. You would see an explosion of tech. Funny thing is. NASA can't build the F1 rocket motors for the Saturn booster any more. They don't know how the engineers did it back then. All the notes were lost.

I worked with an older guy and he was saying back in the day he was in full production on a missile program for years when they announced on tv that they were gonna look into trying to find funds in the budget to try and engineer and come up with a possible prototype. :icon17: :rolleyes:

sx moneypit 05-12-2021 07:23 AM

Mornin' folks!:hello:

sx moneypit 05-12-2021 07:24 AM

Another day in paradise.:rolleyes:

old guy 05-12-2021 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by sx moneypit (Post 3994874)
Another day in paradise.:rolleyes:

:iagree:

madwi 05-12-2021 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by old guy (Post 3994876)
:iagree:

Call me Thursday or Friday and we'll get you squared away with your tech woes.

Leingod 05-12-2021 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by madwi (Post 3994878)
Call me Thursday or Friday and we'll get you squared away with your tech woes.

Get me in the call as well. If it really comes down to it, bring your modem, router, and computer with you to the June meet.

madwi 05-12-2021 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Leingod (Post 3994879)
Get me in the call as well. If it really comes down to it, bring your modem, router, and computer with you to the June meet.

It aint all that lol. maybe need apple support but I doubt it.

Leingod 05-12-2021 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by madwi (Post 3994880)
It aint all that lol. maybe need apple support but I doubt it.

What even happens specifically?

Spooler 05-12-2021 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JLarson (Post 3994864)
This brings to mind an interesting story from Boeing a while back, as told to me by our consultant, an ex-Boeing guy from way back. I'm not sure on time frame, but following a massive wave of retirements from older Boeing personnel, Boeing's assembly lines abruptly found themselves unable to fabricate several of their aircraft. They had to call back the retirees, because of all the custom or one-off stuff the retirees actually did to make components fit - shims, special custom tools, that kind of thing. It was a metric buttload of stuff that those fellas knew, and which had never been documented anywhere.

The whole clause 7.1.6 Organizational Knowledge was written into ISO9001:2015 partly as a result of trying to make organizations capture that kind of knowledge proactively, instead of reactively.


This should tell the employers one thing. Don't treat the folks that work for you like crap. They are the reason you are successful. With all of the outsourcing, layoffs over the years, etc. Little nuggets of data are being kept private. Sometimes on purpose, sometimes not. Like Rusty for instance and the power plant he use to work at. New company bought the place and some higher up manager some where caused all kinds of grief for the employees. You reap what you sow.

I deal with this crap all the time. Sometimes I speak up, sometimes I don't.

madwi 05-12-2021 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Leingod (Post 3994881)
What even happens specifically?

Apple account woes. That is core problem.

JLarson 05-12-2021 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3994882)
This should tell the employers one thing. Don't treat the folks that work for you like crap. They are the reason you are successful. With all of the outsourcing, layoffs over the years, etc. Little nuggets of data are being kept private. Sometimes on purpose, sometimes not. Like Rusty for instance and the power plant he use to work at. New company bought the place and some higher up manager some where caused all kinds of grief for the employees. You reap what you sow.

I deal with this crap all the time. Sometimes I speak up, sometimes I don't.

Absolutely agreed. I really hate outsourcing, I hate layoffs, and at my company we've been fortunate that we've managed to preserve manufacturing here in the US for as long as we have. We just had a 40 year employee retire, and we've got a fair number with 25 - 38 years here. However, we do need to capture their knowledge, because eventually they are going to depart, one way or another.

Ghostvette 05-12-2021 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JLarson (Post 3994885)
Absolutely agreed. I really hate outsourcing, I hate layoffs, and at my company we've been fortunate that we've managed to preserve manufacturing here in the US for as long as we have. We just had a 40 year employee retire, and we've got a fair number with 25 - 38 years here. However, we do need to capture their knowledge, because eventually they are going to depart, one way or another.

The challenge is identifying what precisely they know. Sometimes it something as simple as how to use a tool or how to get things to work with what's on hand. Tribal knowledge is hard to put down on paper, most of what I know didn't come from a book. It came from doing things the hard way, breaking what I was trying to work on and figuring out the right way to fix it. You can be told and shown how to do something, but until you do it, and fail doing it, it doesn't stick.

I suppose the best way is to have each SME have a shadow that can learn from them, but that is an expense that most companies won't do. Most SMEs have knowledge that the company isn't paying for, the company pays for what they know to do their job and that's it. It's unfortunate.

Spooler 05-12-2021 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghostvette (Post 3994886)
The challenge is identifying what precisely they know. Sometimes it something as simple as how to use a tool or how to get things to work with what's on hand. Tribal knowledge is hard to put down on paper, most of what I know didn't come from a book. It came from doing things the hard way, breaking what I was trying to work on and figuring out the right way to fix it. You can be told and shown how to do something, but until you do it, and fail doing it, it doesn't stick.

I suppose the best way is to have each SME have a shadow that can learn from them, but that is an expense that most companies won't do. Most SMEs have knowledge that the company isn't paying for, the company pays for what they know to do their job and that's it. It's unfortunate.

It is the thought process that needs to be learned and it takes years to master. I have done power points over the years to explain what to do. The thing that is a challenge is teaching folks how I know what to do and when to do it. Very few can pick up on the process. I can fix things in an hour while other folks take 2 days to do it.

Ghostvette 05-12-2021 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3994887)
It is the thought process that needs to be learned and it takes years to master. I have done power points over the years to explain what to do. The thing that is a challenge is teaching folks how I know what to do and when to do it. Very few can pick up on the process. I can fix things in an hour while other folks take 2 days to do it.

Intuitive troubleshooting. :tup:

Rusty 05-12-2021 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by JLarson (Post 3994864)
This brings to mind an interesting story from Boeing a while back, as told to me by our consultant, an ex-Boeing guy from way back. I'm not sure on time frame, but following a massive wave of retirements from older Boeing personnel, Boeing's assembly lines abruptly found themselves unable to fabricate several of their aircraft. They had to call back the retirees, because of all the custom or one-off stuff the retirees actually did to make components fit - shims, special custom tools, that kind of thing. It was a metric buttload of stuff that those fellas knew, and which had never been documented anywhere.

The whole clause 7.1.6 Organizational Knowledge was written into ISO9001:2015 partly as a result of trying to make organizations capture that kind of knowledge proactively, instead of reactively.

I remember reading about that.

At Elliott and at the power plant. We called that Tribal Knowledge. It's knowledge that is handed down from the old guys to the new guys. If you were a new guy and an azz. You never got the full picture. At the power plant. I know where all the dead bodies are buried. I still get calls asking me about some things. Being hired during construction. I got to watch where all the short cuts were taken and changes made that never was on the PID's. Drawings that was never red lined.

When I retired. I took my note books with me. I've been questioned on them too.

Rusty 05-12-2021 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 3994867)
thats what happens when you refuse to buy in to the lies of the former guy. its actually kinda sad to see.

Her home state hates her. The guy running against her has a double digit lead in the polls. She's toast. The reason you like her is because she's a Rhino.

Rusty 05-12-2021 10:37 AM

Day 3 of Hell week. My azz is sore. Be glad when this week is over.

Rusty 05-12-2021 10:40 AM

Just read the tags. :rofl2: Earth Worm. LMFAO. Who did that one? :rofl2:

Rusty 05-12-2021 10:49 AM

Seen on the news that there are fist fights breaking out while people wait at the gas station to get gas. Brings back memories of the 70's gas shortages. :rofl2: The gas station I worked while in high school. We had one guy pumping the gas. One collecting the money. And one standing guard with a shotgun.

redondoaveb 05-12-2021 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3994900)
Seen on the news that there are fist fights breaking out while people wait at the gas station to get gas. Brings back memories of the 70's gas shortages. :rofl2: The gas station I worked while in high school. We had one guy pumping the gas. One collecting the money. And one standing guard with a shotgun.

I worked at a gas station during the gas shortage in the early 70's. It was great. No full service. Pump their gas and get them out :driving:

Ghostvette 05-12-2021 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3994900)
Seen on the news that there are fist fights breaking out while people wait at the gas station to get gas. Brings back memories of the 70's gas shortages. :rofl2: The gas station I worked while in high school. We had one guy pumping the gas. One collecting the money. And one standing guard with a shotgun.

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 3994902)
I worked at a gas station during the gas shortage in the early 70's. It was great. No full service. Pump their gas and get them out :driving:

Yep, and a max of $10 of gas. Then they went to 'odd' & 'even', and folks with vanity plates got hosed. Some states put them in 'odd', some in 'even'. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

BettyZ 05-12-2021 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JLarson (Post 3994885)
Absolutely agreed. I really hate outsourcing, I hate layoffs, and at my company we've been fortunate that we've managed to preserve manufacturing here in the US for as long as we have. We just had a 40 year employee retire, and we've got a fair number with 25 - 38 years here. However, we do need to capture their knowledge, because eventually they are going to depart, one way or another.

You're going to harvest their brains, arent you? :wtf2:

Rusty 05-12-2021 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghostvette (Post 3994904)
Yep, and a max of $10 of gas. Then they went to 'odd' & 'even', and folks with vanity plates got hosed. Some states put them in 'odd', some in 'even'. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

I remember people following the gas tankers to see which station they were going to. Only to run out of gas. :rofl2:

I always had a full tank in my car and bike. :tup: My dad never had to worry about gas. :tup:

Hotrodz 05-12-2021 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghostvette (Post 3994886)
The challenge is identifying what precisely they know. Sometimes it something as simple as how to use a tool or how to get things to work with what's on hand. Tribal knowledge is hard to put down on paper, most of what I know didn't come from a book. It came from doing things the hard way, breaking what I was trying to work on and figuring out the right way to fix it. You can be told and shown how to do something, but until you do it, and fail doing it, it doesn't stick.



I suppose the best way is to have each SME have a shadow that can learn from them, but that is an expense that most companies won't do. Most SMEs have knowledge that the company isn't paying for, the company pays for what they know to do their job and that's it. It's unfortunate.

Institutional knowledge is another name for it. With the mature generation and much of the boomer generation knowledge = power = value therefore the old timers were not or are willing to share information. They believe in many instances that if they share their knowledge they may become expendable because someone might do their job better. If they like you or you have past their test of trust they will share things. I instituted cross training and many of the old timers hated it. I tried to explain to them that the u become more valued and valuable when they do share their information and their contributions will carry on long after they retire.

The X generation figured it out and it was expanded with the Y generation or millennial. They are all about collaboration and cooperation. It is how the likes of Apple, Google and much of the dot com companies grew so fast. They get the sum of the whole is greater than that of the few.

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JARblue 05-12-2021 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 3994908)
They are all about collaboration and cooperation. It is how the likes of Apple, Google and much of the dot com companies grew so fast. They get the sum of the whole is greater than that of the few.

And they realize that once you get big enough you don't have to worry about competition. You just smother it, Capitalism-style! :rock:

1/4atatime 05-12-2021 02:02 PM

How's it going this week isn't looking so great ended up parking the Z because I need to drive something with better MPGs specially with my lead foot. We are almost at 50% of gas stations out of gas in VA. stupid people panick buying. I heard the pipeline would normally move 100 million gallons a day and they managed to do 84 with just trucks. But people just kept buying gas so they can't keep up.

JLarson 05-12-2021 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BettyZ (Post 3994905)
You're going to harvest their brains, arent you? :wtf2:

They've left me no choice.

Scalpel!

Rusty 05-12-2021 03:41 PM

Lunch time. :shakes head: By rights, I should be home.

eastwest2300 05-12-2021 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3994895)
Her home state hates her. The guy running against her has a double digit lead in the polls. She's toast. The reason you like her is because she's a Rhino.

i dont "like" her, however I do like that she stood up for whats right.. even if it cost her. so good for her.

eastwest2300 05-12-2021 04:41 PM

ssup dudes.


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