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cossie1600 04-29-2020 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3930330)
Being in the middle is a bitch unless it is with a women on each side.

It’s a bitch because we have to take dumb people with no individual thinking on either side. Both sides think they are the majority, but they just happened to bitch the most. It’s the same talking points over and over. Give me a break. Reminds me of team America world police

ZCanadian 04-29-2020 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3930345)
There is a couple of law suits going through the courts right now against youtube for violating gov't regs.

One was decided by an appellate court in February - in favour of YouTube.

https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-conte...ent-ruling.pdf

In a unanimous opinion, the three judges of the 9th circuit wrote:
"PragerU's claim that YouTube censored PragerU's speech faces a formidable threshold hurdle: YouTube is a private entity. The Free Speech Clause of the First Amendment prohibits the government—not a private party—from abridging speech."

Your Supreme Court has also ruled that:
"merely hosting speech by others is not a traditional, exclusive public function and does not alone transform private entities into state actors subject to First Amendment constraints."

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinion...-1702_h315.pdf

ZCanadian 04-29-2020 04:31 PM

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And back to an easier line of discussion...

cossie1600 04-29-2020 04:44 PM

Youtube is doing a pretty good job at suppressing the voices against the CCP, there is talking of a class action against them.

ZontheRocks 04-29-2020 04:45 PM

I’m all for the First Amendment.

But using propaganda to spin opinion as fact is the issue. This is why there is confusion when Trump speaks and follows up saying that he was being sarcastic. Many people are looking to him to be serious and his words and meanings to be based on facts. And especially when Fox News works so hard to convey the meaning of the president when he speaks, to only have him follow up and contradict.

But how many “news stories” from the prime time talking heads start with “It is my/our opinion that...”

ZCanadian 04-29-2020 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 3930365)
Youtube is doing a pretty good job at suppressing the voices against the CCP, there is talking of a class action against them.

What would the basis of the argument be (and I'm not saying that they are not suppressing comments - just asking how is that lawsuitworthy behaviour?)?

ZCanadian 04-29-2020 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ZontheRocks (Post 3930366)
I’m all for the First Amendment.

But using propaganda to spin opinion as fact is the issue. This is why there is confusion when Trump speaks and follows up saying that he was being sarcastic. Many people are looking to him to be serious and his words and meanings to be based on facts. And especially when Fox News works so hard to convey the meaning of the president when he speaks, to only have him follow up and contradict.

But how many “news stories” from the prime time talking heads start with “It is my/our opinion that...”

At least the good ones preface their opinions with an explanation that they are such!

Too many don't.

EDIT or is that what you meant?

cossie1600 04-29-2020 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCanadian (Post 3930368)
What would the basis of the argument be (and I'm not saying that they are not suppressing comments - just asking how is that lawsuitworthy behaviour?)?

I believe they are going for unfair practice and bias (which is not the same as fake news). Basically they have been demonetizing videos that are against the CCP under the name of WHO, but people have found that not to be the case. It appears they started doing that even before the WHO came out for China. Actually I need to stop my premium subscription with those jokers too, the company went from do no evil to be like Facebook.

ZontheRocks 04-29-2020 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCanadian (Post 3930369)
At least the good ones preface their opinions with an explanation that they are such!

Too many don't.

EDIT or is that what you meant?

Yes. It’s called an opinion piece and should be blatantly labeled as such. I’m thinking the way they “get around” this is by naming the show after the person:

Hannity
Tucker Carlson Tonight
Rachel Maddow Show
Coumo Primetime
The Real Story with Gretchen Carlson
Lou Dobbs Tonight
America’s Newsroom with Sandra Smith and Ed Henry
The Ingraham Angle
Anderson Cooper 360

Both sides do it.

When that becomes your go to source for all information on a given subject, we run into education and information problems.

cossie1600 04-29-2020 07:00 PM

The sad part some people think they are primary source of information. Once people get on one side, the talking points all become the same. You disagree with them and they think you are on the other side automatically.


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Originally Posted by ZontheRocks (Post 3930409)
Yes. It’s called an opinion piece and should be blatantly labeled as such. I’m thinking the way they “get around” this is by naming the show after the person:

Hannity
Tucker Carlson Tonight
Rachel Maddow Show
Coumo Primetime
The Real Story with Gretchen Carlson
Lou Dobbs Tonight
America’s Newsroom with Sandra Smith and Ed Henry
The Ingraham Angle
Anderson Cooper 360

Both sides do it.

When that becomes your go to source for all information on a given subject, we run into education and information problems.


JARblue 04-29-2020 08:56 PM

Suing YouTube over this mess isnt going to accomplish anything just like filling class action lawsuits... it's a nice thought in principle, but the reality is the lawyers will make a lot of money and the company getting sued gets to save face by settling quickly. The people get basically nothing for their troubles.

ZCanadian 04-29-2020 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 3930446)
The sad part some people think they are primary source of information. Once people get on one side, the talking points all become the same. You disagree with them and they think you are on the other side automatically.

Because people are too lazy (or too stupid) to THINK for themselves these days.
It’s far easier to get someone to do it for them.
All packaged up with a neat bow for them.
There’s an “app” for that. It's called (insert any of the names that ZontheRocks listed here).
That way, there is none of that nasty “balance”, or opinions which differ from one’s own (or, rather, the opinions that one has previously allowed oneself to be programmed with).
And oh boy, do politicians (of either stripe) love that.

JARblue 04-29-2020 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCanadian (Post 3930478)
Because people are too lazy (or too stupid) to THINK for themselves these days.
It’s far easier to get someone to do it for them.
All packaged up with a neat bow for them.

It is an all too prevalent attitude these days. It's one of the biggest things that pisses me off about so many of the new threads on this forum. People just want shít spoon-fed to them. And when they get called out for being fùcking lazy, they get all butthurt and defensive about it :shakes head: :gtfo2:

cossie1600 04-29-2020 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCanadian (Post 3930478)
Because people are too lazy (or too stupid) to THINK for themselves these days.
It’s far easier to get someone to do it for them.
All packaged up with a neat bow for them.
There’s an “app” for that. It's called (insert any of the names that ZontheRocks listed here).
That way, there is none of that nasty “balance”, or opinions which differ from one’s own (or, rather, the opinions that one has previously allowed oneself to be programmed with).
And oh boy, do politicians (of either stripe) love that.

Definitely, that's why all the political posts are usually like by the same people on the same team.

cossie1600 04-29-2020 10:06 PM

Oh boy, wife is on the phone with her best friend. Her entire family has been tested positive except for the 4 yo. 2 are in the hospital and the rest show no symptoms (parents, sister's family and her). Everyone stayed home except the BIL had to go to work and they went grocery shopping.

Turns out it might not be the BIL. It might have been one of the brother who had moved back in, he might have gotten it from the local restaurants or supermarket.


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