Nissan 370Z Forum

Nissan 370Z Forum (http://www.the370z.com/)
-   Intake/Exhaust (http://www.the370z.com/intake-exhaust/)
-   -   Lets talk science, Stillen Gen3 Intake (http://www.the370z.com/intake-exhaust/81451-lets-talk-science-stillen-gen3-intake.html)

MadChemist 10-31-2013 11:02 AM

Lets talk science, Stillen Gen3 Intake
 
Disclaimer: Not an engineer, I deal with molecules or smaller.

So can someone explain the physics that is occurring behind the Stillen intake? From my understanding longer tubes cause a reduced pressure within the tube due to increased drag. Reduced pressure typically means less power due to getting less air into the manifold. The only thing that I can account for in the power gain is colder air, reduced turbulence from the smooth surface of the piping, larger air filter. I think I am missing a key factor. Discuss.

H2O_Doc 10-31-2013 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadChemist (Post 2548926)
Disclaimer: Not an engineer, I deal with molecules or smaller.

So can someone explain the physics that is occurring behind the Stillen intake? From my understanding longer tubes cause a reduced pressure within the tube due to increased drag. Reduced pressure typically means less power due to getting less air into the manifold. The only thing that I can account for in the power gain is colder air, reduced turbulence from the smooth surface of the piping, larger air filter. I think I am missing a key factor. Discuss.

I guess if they sucked it might actually be a good thing : )

Your physics sounds right to me. I think maybe add less resistance through the air filter to the list.

Chuck33079 10-31-2013 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by H2O_Doc (Post 2548932)
I think maybe add less resistance through the air filter to the list.

Yep. You want as little restriction on the intake side as possible.

Leuz 10-31-2013 11:11 AM

Cold air takes less space than warm air, therefore in the combustion chamber you can fit more gas. More or less, this should be the idea behind CAIs.

Chuck33079 10-31-2013 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leuz (Post 2548946)
Cold air takes less space than warm air, therefore in the combustion chamber you can fit more gas. More or less, this should be the idea behind CAIs.

Do you mean cold air is denser than warm air, so you can add more fuel to match the larger amount of O2 in the cylinder?

Highway 10-31-2013 11:15 AM

Overall, I haven't heard that they're much better than a K&N w/ a post MAF silicon tube.

But, they cost more money so they have to be better...right?....right?

Voice59 10-31-2013 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leuz (Post 2548946)
Cold air takes less space than warm air, therefore in the combustion chamber you can fit more gas. More or less, this should be the idea behind CAIs.

:icon18: More my friend...much more. I think this is the funniest semi-accurate way I've ever seen a CAI explained. It's kind of like "Kids say the darndest things."

Chuck33079 10-31-2013 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voice59 (Post 2548973)
:icon18: More my friend...much more. I think this is the funniest semi-accurate way I've ever seen a CAI explained. It's kind of like "Kids say the darndest things."

I laughed. He's definitely not wrong.

Voice59 10-31-2013 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2548977)
I laughed. He's definitely not wrong.

LoL..Kinda wrong, sorta right. LOL!

6MT 10-31-2013 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadChemist (Post 2548926)
Disclaimer: Not an engineer, I deal with molecules or smaller.

So can someone explain the physics that is occurring behind the Stillen intake? From my understanding longer tubes cause a reduced pressure within the tube due to increased drag. Reduced pressure typically means less power due to getting less air into the manifold. The only thing that I can account for in the power gain is colder air, reduced turbulence from the smooth surface of the piping, larger air filter. I think I am missing a key factor. Discuss.

Bingo!

jlw2546 10-31-2013 11:44 AM

CAI for the 370 are all way over rated and over priced. Its not needed. Just drop some reusable K&N's in there.

andre12031948 10-31-2013 11:46 AM

This is how I feel & what I do
 
Notice how a car when viewed from the side is shaped like a wing. Much more air & pressure is under the car than over the car. Just like a plane's wing. Flat under car vs roof & over the car. One of the places that the car's pressure (under car) goes/escapes is up through that space in front of & toward the the two stock intake openings. I & the second person on the top 25 list(redline06) run with our air cleaners off. That's not on the street, just at the track. I think I & him get lots of cool pressurized air into my stock intakes. Being in the # one spot & him being second, that idea/set up might be working very well.

I use dry K&N filters. On the street & most of the time at the track.

Red__Zed 10-31-2013 11:50 AM

The vast majority of the gains come from a higher flow filter.

Leuz 10-31-2013 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2548953)
Do you mean cold air is denser than warm air, so you can add more fuel to match the larger amount of O2 in the cylinder?

There you go! :tup:
http://www.davemulder.com/wp-content...g-science.jpeg

kenchan 10-31-2013 11:51 AM

science? thought it was just to make the engine bay look like it had a turbo and intercooler piping.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:13 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2