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H2O_Doc 10-31-2013 11:55 AM

It would be cool if someone invented a gizmo that pumped gobs and gobs of air into the intake rather than just letting those lazy *** oxygen molecules wander in. I might have the plan that makes me MILLIONS!

Chuck33079 10-31-2013 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by H2O_Doc (Post 2549059)
It would be cool if someone invented a gizmo that pumped gobs and gobs of air into the intake rather than just letting those lazy *** oxygen molecules wander in. I might have the plan that makes me MILLIONS!

Even better, we could use wasted energy to run it. Maybe some type of exhaust-powered turbine.

Trips 10-31-2013 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by H2O_Doc (Post 2549059)
It would be cool if someone invented a gizmo that pumped gobs and gobs of air into the intake rather than just letting those lazy *** oxygen molecules wander in. I might have the plan that makes me MILLIONS!

They did it's called "Forced Induction" :icon17:

Voice59 10-31-2013 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2549063)
Even better, we could use wasted energy to run it. Maybe some type of exhaust-powered turbine.

LMAOOO!!! Patent it QUICK! Before someone like GTM or FI or even Greddy get their hands on that kind of technolo....oh...$hit.

H2O_Doc 10-31-2013 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Trips (Post 2549066)
They did it's called "Forced Induction" :icon17:

Well that's not a very politically correct name; sounds so brutish. How about something like "highly encouraged induction?"

Chuck33079 10-31-2013 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Voice59 (Post 2549070)
LMAOOO!!! Patent it QUICK! Before someone like GTM or FI or even Greddy get their hands on that kind of technolo....oh...$hit.

Ok, that's not going to work. Maybe if we drove it off of a belt instead of the exhaust?

Voice59 10-31-2013 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2549079)
Ok, that's not going to work. Maybe if we drove it off of a belt instead of the exhaust?

Whaaaa?!?! Unheard of!!!! This is some Bill Nye stuff..obviously unattainable in the near future. Maybe 2040. Yeah, when the human mind has evolved enough.

Mt Tam I am 10-31-2013 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by H2O_Doc (Post 2549078)
Well that's not a very politically correct name; sounds so brutish. How about something like "highly encouraged induction?"

Maybe "Bribe pipes" would work.

MadChemist 10-31-2013 03:51 PM

Sounds like just having larger filters would provide the largest gain. Don't understand why stillen went the long tube route other than the providing colder air. The only way this is logical is that the reduced pressure is minimal and the gains from the denser air compensates for the loss.

Chuck33079 10-31-2013 04:01 PM

Are you assuming air is being forced into the intake? I'm not sure what pressure you're concerned with reducing. Air is being sucked in from the motor, not forced in from outside.

MadChemist 10-31-2013 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2549630)
Are you assuming air is being forced into the intake? I'm not sure what pressure you're concerned with reducing. Air is being sucked in from the motor, not forced in from outside.

Air is being pulled into the motor due to the increase in volume of the combustion chamber. Increasing the path of the gas, increases the drag slowing the gas fill rate of the chamber. In theory, this should actually cause less O2 to be present in the chamber.

Chuck33079 10-31-2013 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MadChemist (Post 2549647)
Air is being pulled into the motor due to the increase in volume of the combustion chamber. Increasing the path of the gas, increases the drag slowing the gas fill rate of the chamber. In theory, this should actually cause less O2 to be present in the chamber.

Not if the piping is less restrictive than stock. Between the tubes being smooth unlike stock and the less restrictive filter, its a net positive.

MadChemist 10-31-2013 05:22 PM

Did some searching and came across this article. Explains the reason for the long tubes beyond the denser gas intake.

Performance Air Intake Systems - Fact of Fiction - Import Tuner Magazine

synolimit 10-31-2013 05:22 PM

I'm going with smoother pipe and a better filter. I'm not going with colder air! The stock intake already is basically a CAI with a nice opening in the front end and it doesn't have the bends the Stillen does. I'm also not going colder air because the aluminium pipe gets HOT! While the plastic and rubber pipes stay cooler.

My CAI I made is almost all silicone pipe. Id put it up against the Stillen and say I make more. Specially on the 3rd pull of a dyno where the Stillen will become heat soaked.

Anyone have a dyno sheet showing 1-3 pulls and is the 3rd lower than 2 or maybe 1?

synolimit 10-31-2013 05:34 PM

Hahaha love it!! Shovel where you at?

...successfully proved Helmholtz resonance can be used to increase exhaust gas scavenging and help your ride put out a few extra ponies compared to other aftermarket offerings...


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