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mikeSS 02-04-2013 05:20 PM

Muffler delete people/drone haters, question
 
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I am really frustrated with 370z exhuast options, coming from a camaro we had a lot better options and much lower prices. Maybe its a import thing, but prices for performance parts are much higher in cost.

This is why i am looking deeply into a muffler delete, for the time being. I do like the sound. I will in time upgrade to a cat back, but for now i want a quick and cheap fix.

I know muffler delete can have drone, the camaro guys had a fix for this problem. called J pipes. You could buy a delete kit that already had the J pipes on them.. Anybody here have any experience with J pipes ?

here are some pics to get the picture in your head.

DEpointfive0 02-04-2013 05:25 PM

Never seen or heard of them


EDIT, those look like the resonators Ark and I think Motordyne put on their HFC's and such

DEpointfive0 02-04-2013 05:27 PM

Does this ghetto áss solution really work?!?!?!

dP3NGU1N 02-04-2013 05:28 PM

Is that the same concept as a resonator, basically?

SS_Firehawk 02-04-2013 05:34 PM

Helmholtz resonator. Some guys custom weld them. A few exhaust manufacturers use them as well. Reason why aftermarket parts are so much more is because this is a low volume vehicle. You came from a car that has 100,000+ sales every year to a car that is currently around 8,000 per year. So we foot the bill for R&D instead of sharing it with shed loads of others. A high quality exhaust cost 2x what it would on a domestic. Headers are slightly cheaper though. Just expect everything to be 2x as much and half the performance gains.

TaylorRyan370 02-04-2013 05:35 PM

I'll be doing a muffler delete with GTM resonated test pipes for my setup. Mike you know how my Camaro sounds now, no mufflers, HFCs, shorty headers... Its loud and I love it haha. I don't mind or even notice drone. Most aftermarket exhausts for any car are too mild for me.

mikeSS 02-04-2013 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TaylorRyan370 (Post 2147668)
I'll be doing a muffler delete with GTM resonated test pipes for my setup. Mike you know how my Camaro sounds now, no mufflers, HFCs, shorty headers... Its loud and I love it haha. I don't mind or even notice drone. Most aftermarket exhausts for any car are too mild for me.

Ya kind of funny how i sold you those parts also!

mikeSS 02-04-2013 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dP3NGU1N (Post 2147661)
Is that the same concept as a resonator, basically?

It does more than what a resonator does, it does something with frequencies. regular style resonators really do not cancel drone out, rather reduce it. There is ways to completely cancel out drone, and have your exhaust sound as loud as ****. Ever heard of a corsa exhaust, they have something in there exhaust that can tone out exhaust sound at a certain frequency.
Corsa Performance Exhaust - Reflective Sound Cancellation™ BUT that pretty much corsa exclusive, most go with the helmohtlz

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2147659)
Does this ghetto áss solution really work?!?!?!

YES it works !

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk (Post 2147666)
Helmholtz resonator. Some guys custom weld them. A few exhaust manufacturers use them as well. Reason why aftermarket parts are so much more is because this is a low volume vehicle. You came from a car that has 100,000+ sales every year to a car that is currently around 8,000 per year. So we foot the bill for R&D instead of sharing it with shed loads of others. A high quality exhaust cost 2x what it would on a domestic. Headers are slightly cheaper though. Just expect everything to be 2x as much and half the performance gains.

Ya i forgot, thats what they are called. I guess i will have to look into a custom job.

TaylorRyan370 02-04-2013 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeSS (Post 2147678)
Ya kind of funny how i sold you those parts also!

:tiphat:

Mike 02-04-2013 06:36 PM

yeah, one of our members did them on his, but he has since moved to the mustang.


http://www.the370z.com/intake-exhaus...rks-great.html


btw, I'm mike@thepowdercoater.com on camaro5, but I only post in my one thread in the classifieds there for caliper powdercoating.

DEpointfive0 02-04-2013 06:39 PM

I can't believe this ghetto solution works!!!

Someone needs to produce these!!! Cheaper than the AAM short tails and NO DRONE?!?!?!
NOW we're talking!!!

mikeSS 02-04-2013 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2147760)
I can't believe this ghetto solution works!!!

Someone needs to produce these!!! Cheaper than the AAM short tails and NO DRONE?!?!?!
NOW we're talking!!!

I am looking into AAm short tails and was shocked they did not offer this. most hate drone....

mikeSS 02-04-2013 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 2147753)
yeah, one of our members did them on his, but he has since moved to the mustang.


http://www.the370z.com/intake-exhaus...rks-great.html


btw, I'm mike@thepowdercoater.com on camaro5, but I only post in my one thread in the classifieds there for caliper powdercoating.

for sure have heard of your powder coating. cool!

Mitco39 02-04-2013 06:55 PM

Its not to hard to design, I took a course on wave physics. You just figure out the frequency you want to cancel out (which is the one responsible for the drone) and make a resonator to a size that will effectively cancel this wave out. Back in my Motocross days I looked at doing this to my own exhaust on my quad.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...h8lTtdtDyZ58WA

All the equations to determine the size and length of the chamber can be determined from the equations on the Wiki page

Helmholtz resonance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

TeamARK 02-05-2013 11:02 AM

Helmholtz resonators work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xObfY__J3h4


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