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Chuck33079 03-20-2014 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by luigi90210 (Post 2745870)
there is more to drag racing than just horsepower and torque, you have to take into account gearing, power to weight, FD, aero, ect.

Of course. And drag racing is pretty much exactly what mustangs are built for while Zs are set up for tracks with turns.

luigi90210 03-20-2014 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2745874)
Of course. And drag racing is pretty much exactly what mustangs are built for while Zs are set up for tracks with turns.

no street car is built for racing, its a street car, not a purpose built track car

also you should look into the boss 302 laguna seca, or the new Z28 camaro, both of which will destroy a 370z around a road course and both are muscle cars that apparently are only built for "drag racing"

Chuck33079 03-20-2014 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by luigi90210 (Post 2745900)
no street car is built for racing, its a street car, not a purpose built track car

also you should look into the boss 302 laguna seca, or the new Z28 camaro, both of which will destroy a 370z around a road course and both are muscle cars that apparently are only built for "drag racing"

:facepalm: Yes, the 5.0 is also faster around a track than the Z. That's not top secret info. You don't need to keep restating the obvious. But to argue that the Mustang hasn't had a significant amount of chassis tuning specifically for the dragstrip is just asinine.

Back on topic. Let's drop it.

jwick 03-20-2014 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by luigi90210 (Post 2745900)
no street car is built for racing, its a street car, not a purpose built track car

also you should look into the boss 302 laguna seca, or the new Z28 camaro, both of which will destroy a 370z around a road course and both are muscle cars that apparently are only built for "drag racing"

Not even a comparison. The Z/28 is a track car, it doesn't even have A/C. GM even stated that its for the guy who pulls it out of his garage, drives straight to the track, beats the **** out of most people there and drives it directly back to their garage.

Chuck33079 03-20-2014 05:38 PM

Both of which also have metric fucktons more power than a Z as well, so it's a pretty waterheaded comparison.

brucelidat 03-20-2014 05:52 PM

It's funny how a Z forum sometimes makes me think I should go test drive a 5.0, haha. I imagine the power feels awesome, but the handling dynamics (though we know it's faster than a Z) will feel different and probably not as nice.

DEpointfive0 03-20-2014 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by brucelidat (Post 2745925)
It's funny how a Z forum sometimes makes me think I should go test drive a 5.0, haha. I imagine the power feels awesome, but the handling dynamics (though we know it's faster than a Z) will feel different and probably not as nice.

It FEELS like a boat, but the acceleration is fast, but like a boat as well. At least stock it feels that way.

In a private convo with Chuck, he informed me that a stock 5.0 is faster around one of the Willow tracks than an M3. It probably took a hell of a driver to do that, but it tells you that it is still very capable

Chuck33079 03-20-2014 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2745928)
It FEELS like a boat, but the acceleration is fast, but like a boat as well. At least stock it feels that way.



In a private convo with Chuck, he informed me that a stock 5.0 is faster around one of the Willow tracks than an M3. It probably took a hell of a driver to do that, but it tells you that it is still very capable


Yeah, C&D put up the lap times a few years back. It was eye-opening for a lot of people who thought nothing with a solid rear could turn.

brucelidat 03-20-2014 06:21 PM

I read that article, I thought the m3 beat it out by .1 seconds or so with the pro-driver. I think the reporter was faster in the 5.0 though. I don't want to drive a boat, though, even if it's a fats one. Plus, looking at it does nothing for me. I do want to feel the acceleration, though.

martin82 03-20-2014 08:25 PM

what was the time on that 5.0 btw...?

brucelidat 03-20-2014 09:43 PM

2011 BMW M3 Coupe vs. 2011 Ford Mustang GT Comparison - Motor Trend

martin82 03-21-2014 12:48 AM

I don't see actual lap times didn't check that much in depth but even stock I really haven't seen a 5.0 go faster than m3 in any track in SoCal w similar driver experience

critical 03-21-2014 01:59 AM

i've done pretty well against muscle cars to far. ;) only going to get better now that my diff. bushing is in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjrRC_Ilafc

Mike 03-22-2014 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBoomSpoon (Post 2744549)
What does this guy mike's car with the 342 who run the quarter in? Time and trap? Street tires not drag radials. Do we or anybody have this data, if no then why not damming :)

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I don't do drag racing. Thats the most boring type of racing there is. I tried it a few times, but its basically a waste of my time, imho. Aside from pro racing teams, I do have the fastest lap times at Road Atlanta, COTA and Barber though, but horsepower probably doesn't have much to do with that.

Mike 03-22-2014 07:33 PM

also, my 5.0 13 mustang with an auto felt slower than my V6 frontier that replaced it.

Boss_302 03-23-2014 08:31 AM

Its amazing how much better the newer Mustangs handle compared to the old Fox body.
Ford finally got it right with the 3-link rear suspension and panhard rod. Chevy had done this years before they went independent on the Camaro . The other thing is there was so much flex in the Fox body chassis. After I welded in full frame connectors it stiffed the chassis up 100%. I could actually lift 3 wheels off the ground while jacking one side. I also notice how much more solid the car felt on road and the difference in handling. With all the suspension work I had into the car I could now put the car anywhere.

Joepro 03-23-2014 09:49 AM

Drive what you like...there is a guy with a vw bettle and a neon that will annihilate just about any street car that is not in the 10s...I dont like mustangs, my turboed , Z loves them :). Anyway I will be dynoing my 370 with a bp kit and these headers if they do not help like they did with the momentum kits they coming off and I will return to the original kit design instead of my modified version and someone can have a lightly used set a a killer price...but they look great in the engine bay....

brucelidat 05-06-2014 06:00 PM

judging by the death of this thread, i am assuming people's expectations were not met with these headers, sales dropped off, and there will be no version that mates up with the 370 cats?

2sl0w 05-06-2014 06:10 PM

These headers are still setting records for na power. They never really made an official thread .. I would assume they are still selling well. As far as hr/vhr flanges... That is provably best left for z1 to answer.

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DEpointfive0 05-06-2014 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by brucelidat (Post 2808696)
judging by the death of this thread, i am assuming people's expectations were not met with these headers, sales dropped off, and there will be no version that mates up with the 370 cats?

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Originally Posted by 2sl0w (Post 2808703)
These headers are still setting records for na power. They never really made an official thread .. I would assume they are still selling well. As far as hr/vhr flanges... That is provably best left for z1 to answer.

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LMAO Li, jst go with a SC already/:iagree: with 2sl0w

Still set the record, and Z1 has been so busy making other awesome products as well.
The thing that makes it IMO is that Z1 put their money where their mouth is by offering that 400 BHP package. Yeah, it has some caveats, but if you wanted that power, you'd have already gone with that stuff anyways. Also, a LOT of people aren't on this forum that buy Z1's products. I can't imagine it's more than 30%, so reviews will be hard to come by.

brucelidat 05-06-2014 07:24 PM

This thread was so hot though, that I assumed there were forum member show ordered it. Haven;'t heard any comments from them though. There was the one guy how was super unhappy, but not too many guys coming in and saying they got good results other than the original couple of guys installed and tuned at z1.

2sl0w 05-06-2014 07:26 PM

Z1 just hit 346 with the shop car last Saturday at the ZAtlanta dyno day. A Nismo hit 335 with the same headers and tomei single as well.

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daisuke149 05-06-2014 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by brucelidat (Post 2808799)
This thread was so hot though, that I assumed there were forum member show ordered it. Haven;'t heard any comments from them though. There was the one guy how was super unhappy, but not too many guys coming in and saying they got good results other than the original couple of guys installed and tuned at z1.

if you havnt noticed. everytime a new product is announced, everyone gets up in arms about it and then about 10% of the owners buy it.

Especially with headers, ive seen tons of people buy it and then decide to sell vs installing or put off on installing it for a while waiting for an opportunity.

But ive seen the results of this multiple times and they definitely do produce power consistently.

brucelidat 05-06-2014 07:29 PM

I'll give them a call and see if they still have any plans to make these fit the 370 cats

John@Z1 05-07-2014 08:57 AM

At the moment do to very high estimates the VHR flange version has been put on the back burner. Also sales on these headers are way more than expected due to increased performance. So far the highest we have hit on our dyno with the Z1 shop car is 356rwhp and 284tq. If other shops aren't making numbers they need to dig into the tune a little better.

brucelidat 05-07-2014 02:08 PM

If I trade my Fast Intentions 370 resonated HFCs for their vq35de res HFCs, these headers should bolt up fine with just your gaskets right?

DEpointfive0 05-07-2014 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by brucelidat (Post 2809822)
If I trade my Fast Intentions 370 resonated HFCs for their vq35de res HFCs, these headers should bolt up fine with just your gaskets right?

The gaskets from the VQ37 isn't the same as the VQ35DE

brucelidat 05-07-2014 06:33 PM

Z1 has gaskets with the headers to work with vq35de cats on the 370. If I had vq35de resonated HFCs from fast intentions, then it should work right?

John@Z1 05-08-2014 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by brucelidat (Post 2810074)
Z1 has gaskets with the headers to work with vq35de cats on the 370. If I had vq35de resonated HFCs from fast intentions, then it should work right?

That's correct!


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