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semtex 06-19-2009 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by tstrick9 (Post 94554)
Is there a wideband showing a/f ratio for these stillen graphs? It could be leaning it out like modshack said. I know from experience that the s/c Cobras can get very lean with the addition of a cai, and in some instances require a retune to be safe.

http://www.the370z.com/intake-exhaus...-vid-dyno.html

The second dyno graph shows A/F.

Zsteve 10-04-2009 06:52 PM

Modshack, since you do alot of intakes and have had your bumber off to do your diy intake air duct thing, would doing your diy mod and drop ins be just about as benificial as an aftermarket cai?

Modshack 10-04-2009 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 222300)
Modshack, since you do alot of intakes and have had your bumber off to do your diy intake air duct thing, would doing your diy mod and drop ins be just about as benificial as an aftermarket cai?

Fang vents to the stock box should work fine...Drop ins are of minimal value though..

Trips 10-05-2009 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by FricFrac (Post 93298)
...or get the Stillen G3 intakes for the best of both worlds ;)

:iagree: well worth the money and the performance gains isn't bad.

ZKindaGuy 10-06-2009 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Triple's (Post 222771)
:iagree: well worth the money and the performance gains isn't bad.

I can't see putting on a Stillen G3 intake without also buying at the same time a less restrictive exhaust in order and a required custom tune to get the full benefit of the intake. I can think of alot of better things to throw away $3000 on that will not depreciate the moment it goes on the car.:rolleyes:

Philipp 10-19-2009 08:45 PM

Dyno results: Stock vs K&N filters!
 
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Originally Posted by Josh@STILLEN (Post 93925)
While Nissan has definitely built a great platform, there are gains to be had from aftermarket products, including the intake system, our Gen 3 Intake having notable success in increasing horsepower, and making a noticeable improvement in acceleration along with transforming the sound from the intake, especially at high RPMs.

A quick search of the forums for dyno results on the Gen 3 Intake should give you some independent results from forum members here, some of whom have spent a small fortune for the good of the boards documenting their installs and resulting performance gains.

On the K&N side, we've been using these filters with our intake systems since the beginning, and sold countless panel filters, and have had exactly ZERO problems related to MAFs, oil, etc. K&N has been hit with a myriad of claims, most of which can be attributed to 'internet rumor', so much so that they set up a division and research arm within the company to attempt to combat these (largely unsubstantiated) internet claims.

Also keep in mind that normal cleaning procedures for panel filters is 50,000 miles, and conical filters used with air intakes is 50,000-100,000. We recommend 50,000 miles between cleanings. Even if gains are minimal on a panel filter, the convenience of not purchasing paper filters more than offsets the cost of the K&N, and in actuality, probably the Gen 3 Intakes if you consider the life of the vehicle.

Lots of interesting comments on that topic.

So I decided to test the K&N drop-in filters to the Dyno shop tonight and do a simple comparaison test versus the stock filters. I will upload the sheets as soon as my %?&*" (slow) internet connection is done downloading them...

All runs were done without any changes to the car (besides the drop-ins) and were taken less than 20 minutes aparts on a DynoPack about 2 hours ago.

We did 4 runs on stock and 4 runs with the K&Ns.

Zsteve 10-19-2009 09:01 PM

so what were the results? You can tell us then post the sheets later.

Philipp 10-19-2009 09:03 PM

Dyno results
 
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Here they are on run #3 comparaison:

Philipp 10-19-2009 09:06 PM

Results... run #4
 
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ps. Can someone tell me how to insert the image instead of having attachments???

I will also send WHP sheets...

Zsteve 10-19-2009 09:13 PM

looks about right to me, a few hp gains here and there and I didnt see any loses and Im sure better throttle response too. So what I would expect from drop ins, which is what Im doing. Have them on order already.

Philipp 10-19-2009 09:17 PM

Human feedbacks...
 
Although the numbers do show a gain thrughout the RPM band, i couldn't feel any difference coming back home at WOT.
That being said, the engine "seems" to flow more fluently (especialy during downshifts).
Question for the techs folks: could the K&N oil affect the maf sensors and therefore changing the air/fuel ratio??? The filters were "out of the box"...:rolleyes:

Philipp 10-19-2009 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 244713)
looks about right to me, a few hp gains here and there and I didnt see any loses and Im sure better throttle response too. So what I would expect from drop ins, which is what Im doing. Have them on order already.

That what exactly my goal... for 68can$x2 (including installation!!!). In US $ this is around 100$ and has no affect/questions from my dealer...

nogoodname 10-19-2009 09:29 PM

not bad gains considering it was air filters....
i think it turned out well !!




oh, and here

http://www.the370z.com/attachments/n...q_whp_run3.jpg

http://www.the370z.com/attachments/n...l_whp_run4.jpg

Josh@STILLEN 10-19-2009 09:50 PM

K&N got hit with some bad internet stigma of "i know a guy, and his MAFs got messed up", and unfortunately that has plagued them.

They have an entire department set up to try and fail MAFs with oil, and have even gone so far as to have staff on hand to help with dealership issues if there is in fact a claim of the K&N's causing an issue..

.. none to date

K&N Consumer Protection Pledge

There's a ton of info here.. including testing

Philipp 10-19-2009 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh@STILLEN (Post 244787)
K&N got hit with some bad internet stigma of "i know a guy, and his MAFs got messed up", and unfortunately that has plagued them.

They have an entire department set up to try and fail MAFs with oil, and have even gone so far as to have staff on hand to help with dealership issues if there is in fact a claim of the K&N's causing an issue..

.. none to date

K&N Consumer Protection Pledge

There's a ton of info here.. including testing

Josh
Very interesting indeed. Thx for the info.

Modshack 10-19-2009 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Philipp (Post 244805)
Josh
Very interesting indeed. Thx for the info.

In addition to Josh's comments and the linked info, I've built over 1000 K&N based intake systems for Audi's and VW's over the years. Never a problem with MAF's (and the Audi type is much more sensitive than the Z style). Internet myths die hard... A problem can arise when the owner performs his first service and over-oils the filter. This is not common but it does happen when the instructions arent followed..

kenchan 10-19-2009 10:35 PM

I've used oiled cone filters (including foam type) on na, turbo, and supercharged cars and drop-ins for that matter on number of cars in the past with no issue. :)

MC 10-19-2009 10:36 PM

ive used the K&N(oiled) and currently the HKS( dry) filters in my car, no problem with either

Philipp 10-19-2009 11:18 PM

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I did the same (using K&N) on my previous cars and had no issues. My goal was to confirm if there was any gains or loss over the OEM air filters. Here's the charts on torque numbers (runs #3 & #4).

ps. Did anyone else noticed the drop around 4250RPM and what is it the cause?

Portlander 10-20-2009 07:49 AM

Philipp, thanks for your efforts. Your dyno tests have made up my mind on the set up for my ordered Z. It's Stillen CBE and K&N drop in filters and nothing else. This combination should give me a 16-20 HP gain over stock with no warranty issues and that's the peace of mind I'm looking for!

Blown32 10-20-2009 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Philipp (Post 244728)
That what exactly my goal... for 68can$x2 (including installation!!!). In US $ this is around 100$ and has no affect/questions from my dealer...

When you say "drop ins" are you talking just K&N filters to replace the OEM Nissan filters in the stock cans?

Zsteve 10-20-2009 11:04 AM

sho nuf

Philipp 10-20-2009 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Blown32 (Post 245283)
When you say "drop ins" are you talking just K&N filters to replace the OEM Nissan filters in the stock cans?

That's what i mean

Philipp 10-20-2009 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Portlander (Post 245134)
Philipp, thanks for your efforts. Your dyno tests have made up my mind on the set up for my ordered Z. It's Stillen CBE and K&N drop in filters and nothing else. This combination should give me a 16-20 HP gain over stock with no warranty issues and that's the peace of mind I'm looking for!

My small contribution to the community! You will enjoy your new car. Mine is getting better every day ;) and has less than 4000km...

blinkme323 10-20-2009 12:18 PM

So if I'm reading the charts correctly, we are looking at 4-5 hp gains in the peak range with the drop-ins?

Philipp 10-20-2009 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by blinkme323 (Post 245383)
So if I'm reading the charts correctly, we are looking at 4-5 hp gains in the peak range with the drop-ins?

You've read correctly. The gains were consistent throughout each 4 runs.

Blown32 10-20-2009 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Philipp (Post 245311)
That's what i mean

Appreciate the tip man.Thanks!

j.arnaldo 10-21-2009 11:30 AM

My experience with the drop-in K&N is that I didn't notice any power increase--no loss, either, BTW!--but I'm now getting two weeks out of a tankful, versus 11-12 days I was getting prior to installing it. So, even if you don't get a whp increase with it, the gas savings are well worth it, dudes! Greetings from sunny/rainy Puerto Rico!
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Pushing_Tin 11-01-2009 09:35 PM

What's the cheapest place to pick these up?

kannibul 11-02-2009 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert_Nash (Post 93705)
With regards to aftermarket intake kits; unless you are doing some forced induction or something similar; the only thing an intake kit will do for you is look good and may give you some nice sound effects.

As far as engine performance goes; it's my understanding that the stock air box set setup provides all the airflow that the engine can handle. :)

LOL...OK.

No, there are no performance gains from a G3 intake...none at all...lol

:gtfo2:

kannibul 11-02-2009 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZKindaGuy (Post 224300)
I can't see putting on a Stillen G3 intake without also buying at the same time a less restrictive exhaust in order and a required custom tune to get the full benefit of the intake. I can think of alot of better things to throw away $3000 on that will not depreciate the moment it goes on the car.:rolleyes:

The Z depreciated more than that when you drove it off the lot...

j.arnaldo 11-02-2009 08:56 AM

4-5 hp, or 3-5% gains? Please clarify. The literature that came with my K&N air filter used percentages to measure the gains. Allegedly, my '04.5 Touring Coupe gained 3%, which=8.61hp. Any experts in the house??

Johnny Reb 12-10-2009 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Philipp (Post 245403)
You've read correctly. The gains were consistent throughout each 4 runs.

Nice job. The KNs do what they claim, and is what are expected of them. The graph shows a consistant air flow with KNs vs. stock.

As for over-oiled production KN filters, it is mythical horse ****. Certainly, there may have been a few that have affected MAF sensors, however, the majority produced are without problem. The reported problems of soakage is commonly associated with persons re-oiling their KNs.

I have used KN filters for almost two decades. In fact, it is the first mod on my new cars. No problems.

370Zsteve 12-14-2009 10:05 AM

I've used K&N filters for years on high-performance motorcycles and have nothing but good things to say.

Rnmovr12 12-14-2009 10:50 AM

if you live in a dusty area i would NOT recommend using the K&N filters. they let in alot of dust

370Zsteve 12-14-2009 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rnmovr12 (Post 322866)
if you live in a dusty area i would NOT recommend using the K&N filters. they let in alot of dust

nonsense.

semtex 12-14-2009 10:52 AM

I've heard that too, actually. I don't know if it's true or not though. I also read somewhere that it's more a problem for FI applications than NA.

Rnmovr12 12-14-2009 11:00 AM

from personal experience and from what alot of others have said the K&Ns have let in alot of dust. for most it wont be a problem but it does exist and can be a problem. i started with a K&N and my engine was eating dust like crazy. i switched over to Airaid and i havent seen a single spec of dust in my intake tube. just my .02

KEVTEX 12-14-2009 11:03 AM

For a given filter size, more flow generally means less filtration. I've used K&N filters on race cars but never on an engine that I expect to last a long time. Go read the info on cotton gauze filters on the R2C Performance website for more details.

Zigen5 03-03-2010 05:11 PM

Just installed the duel filters and yes there is a major difference... The throttle is more responsive and the engine comes to life when you step on the gas. Now I just need to get my break-in period over with..:shakes head:

BTW, I have had K&N on all the cars I've owned and have never had any problems with them. So all the sensor problems and dust is crap.. Just clean the filters every so often and your good to goooo.. Just like with everything else, maintenance...


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