+ 370z Muffler Delete +

semtex · 06-03-2009, 07:52 AM

Guys, I don't intend offense to anyone, but unless this actually produces a functional gain (i.e., power), this mod is rice, pure rice. It's a sound-only mod; the auditory equivalent to plastering stickers all over your car. All show, no go. Like a Toyota Tercel with a fart-can exhaust and a huge rear wing. Having said that, will it produce any real gains? I highly doubt it, personally, but we really don't know at this point. We need to have a before and after dyno test performed to know for sure. Again, I'm not trying to offend. I'm just calling it like I see it.

cotizi · 06-03-2009, 09:18 AM

^ true, but for those of us still waiting to replace our stock exhaust it still could be something fun to screw with to pass the time

Caravanshaka · 06-03-2009, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

Guys, I don't intend offense to anyone, but unless this actually produces a functional gain (i.e., power), this mod is rice, pure rice. It's a sound-only mod; the auditory equivalent to plastering stickers all over your car. All show, no go. Like a Toyota Tercel with a fart-can exhaust and a huge rear wing. Having said that, will it produce any real gains? I highly doubt it, personally, but we really don't know at this point. We need to have a before and after dyno test performed to know for sure. Again, I'm not trying to offend. I'm just calling it like I see it.

While I do agree that there is likely not much of a gain to be had by deleting the muffler...there is, however, quite a bit of weight savings in dropping that thing off the *** end of the car. Now, it's not dropping weight where we would prefer (front end), but it is dropping weight none-the-less. No HP gain but a reduction in weight is still considered a performance increase.

Push370zzz · 04-15-2010, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by semtex

Guys, I don't intend offense to anyone, but unless this actually produces a functional gain (i.e., power), this mod is rice, pure rice. It's a sound-only mod; the auditory equivalent to plastering stickers all over your car. All show, no go. Like a Toyota Tercel with a fart-can exhaust and a huge rear wing. Having said that, will it produce any real gains? I highly doubt it, personally, but we really don't know at this point. We need to have a before and after dyno test performed to know for sure. Again, I'm not trying to offend. I'm just calling it like I see it.

Lol...I did this to the Range, would you call me a "ricer"? If it does sound good, what's wrong with wanting it without spending 10x as much?

semtex · 04-15-2010, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by smashwebs

Lol...I did this to the Range, would you call me a "ricer"? If it does sound good, what's wrong with wanting it without spending 10x as much?

No, I'd call you a poser. But it's the same basic concept as a ricer. This mod is all show, no go, that's what's wrong with it. It's about making your car sound more powerful without actually being more powerful. I could be wrong, but nobody has done a before/after dyno to test for gains. But that's no surprise, because posers don't care about real gains, right? So why would a poser go through the trouble of doing dyno testing? Anyway, like I said, I'm just expressing my personal opinion. We can agree to disagree. If this "mod" floats your boat, more power to you. Maybe for your next mod, you can fake having a six-pack like this guy:

Zsteve · 04-15-2010, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

No, I'd call you a poser. But it's the same basic concept as a ricer. This mod is all show, no go, that's what's wrong with it. It's about making your car sound more powerful without actually being more powerful. I could be wrong, but nobody has done a before/after dyno to test for gains. But that's no surprise, because posers don't care about real gains, right? So why would a poser go through the trouble of doing dyno testing? Anyway, like I said, I'm just expressing my personal opinion. We can agree to disagree. If this "mod" floats your boat, more power to you. Maybe for your next mod, you can fake having a six-pack like this guy:

I no see pic or video. It may be Im blocked here but I see nothing at all.

jtown82 · 04-15-2010, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

No, I'd call you a poser. But it's the same basic concept as a ricer. This mod is all show, no go, that's what's wrong with it. It's about making your car sound more powerful without actually being more powerful. I could be wrong, but nobody has done a before/after dyno to test for gains. But that's no surprise, because posers don't care about real gains, right? So why would a poser go through the trouble of doing dyno testing? Anyway, like I said, I'm just expressing my personal opinion. We can agree to disagree. If this "mod" floats your boat, more power to you. Maybe for your next mod, you can fake having a six-pack like this guy:

semtex your mentality is actually the pure definition of ricer.

Push370zzz · 04-21-2010, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by semtex

No, I'd call you a poser. But it's the same basic concept as a ricer. This mod is all show, no go, that's what's wrong with it. It's about making your car sound more powerful without actually being more powerful. I could be wrong, but nobody has done a before/after dyno to test for gains. But that's no surprise, because posers don't care about real gains, right? So why would a poser go through the trouble of doing dyno testing? Anyway, like I said, I'm just expressing my personal opinion. We can agree to disagree. If this "mod" floats your boat, more power to you. Maybe for your next mod, you can fake having a six-pack like this guy:

Not to get into an argument on the internet, but it really didn't make sense to get a full exhaust system on a car that already has 400hp and weighs 6000lbs, where a 20 HP gain means almost nothing. It sounded really good how it was, and I just wanted it louder...so that's what I did. I didn't even know you could rice out a $90k car. On the Z, however, if I mod it it's because I want it to be faster...so I will spring for a real exhaust mod. Money is obviously not an issue for me, but value is. $100 to get the sound I want, versus $2000 for the same sound and maybe 10whp?

theDreamer · 04-21-2010, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by smashwebs

Not to get into an argument on the internet, but it really didn't make sense to get a full exhaust system on a car that already has 400hp and weighs 6000lbs, where a 20 HP gain means almost nothing. It sounded really good how it was, and I just wanted it louder...so that's what I did. I didn't even know you could rice out a $90k car. On the Z, however, if I mod it it's because I want it to be faster...so I will spring for a real exhaust mod. Money is obviously not an issue for me, but value is. $100 to get the sound I want, versus $2000 for the same sound and maybe 10whp? Maybe one day you will learn a little bit about the value of the dollar, but until then the only real poser is you buddy....

Wow, you could not be more wrong on everything.
The point of modding is to show respect for your car (a), and to do what you like (b). Now it is your car and I have no matter in telling you what to do, but I would hope buying a 90,000USD car and just doing a muffler delete you would understand how stupid that is.

Also, where are you getting your numbers from? 2,000USD for an exhaust system that gains 10whp? I dropped under 1,000USD and the exhaust has proven gains of 15-20, many are dropping at most 1,500USD and getting equal or slightly better gains. For less money and far more gains than what you seem to claim to. The value of money seems to be wasted on you, why did you spend 90,000USD just to devalue it with a cheap modification? Come back when you have a valid counter point and not just grasping at straws.

nuTinmuch · 04-21-2010, 10:20 AM

And all this time I thought the entire purpose of modding was to make a car better for the person behind the wheel.

Why is this even being argued about? Whatever floats your boat, just stay the **** away from mine.

phelan · 04-21-2010, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by nuTinmuch

And all this time I thought the entire purpose of modding was to make a car better for the person behind the wheel.

Why is this even being argued about? Whatever floats your boat, just stay the **** away from mine.

i'm coming for you to drill sum holes in ur mufflers...

Push370zzz · 04-22-2010, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Wow, you could not be more wrong on everything.
The point of modding is to show respect for your car (a), and to do what you like (b). Now it is your car and I have no matter in telling you what to do, but I would hope buying a 90,000USD car and just doing a muffler delete you would understand how stupid that is.

Also, where are you getting your numbers from? 2,000USD for an exhaust system that gains 10whp? I dropped under 1,000USD and the exhaust has proven gains of 15-20, many are dropping at most 1,500USD and getting equal or slightly better gains. For less money and far more gains than what you seem to claim to. The value of money seems to be wasted on you, why did you spend 90,000USD just to devalue it with a cheap modification? Come back when you have a valid counter point and not just grasping at straws.

The ONLY point of modding is to:
a) Make something more desirable than the stock form. That may be sound, power, gas mileage, whatever.

Some people do it for themselves (like me), others do it to impress others. I don't really care where you fall. I'm with you little buddy, if I mod the Z it's because I want more power, so I will spring for the real exhaust. The $2k exhaust for 10whp I was talking about was (obviously) for the Range. On the Range Rover I just wanted it a little bit louder, not more power because I don't intend on racing it...because it's an SUV...that I drive in the Winter...when there's snow...where hp gains don't really matter. So I could either:

a) Spend 2 grand on an exhaust with minimal if any gains.
b) Spend $100 to have the muffler deleted and get the sound I want.

What to do.

06-03-2009, 07:52 AM	#1 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 33	Guys, I don't intend offense to anyone, but unless this actually produces a functional gain (i.e., power), this mod is rice, pure rice. It's a sound-only mod; the auditory equivalent to plastering stickers all over your car. All show, no go. Like a Toyota Tercel with a fart-can exhaust and a huge rear wing. Having said that, will it produce any real gains? I highly doubt it, personally, but we really don't know at this point. We need to have a before and after dyno test performed to know for sure. Again, I'm not trying to offend. I'm just calling it like I see it. __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

06-03-2009, 09:18 AM	#2 (permalink)
cotizi Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 391 Drives: 2012 VW GTI 6MT Rep Power: 218	^ true, but for those of us still waiting to replace our stock exhaust it still could be something fun to screw with to pass the time __________________ Past - 2009 Silver 6MT Sport 370Z Current - 2012 VW GTI 6-Speed

04-21-2010, 10:20 AM	#10 (permalink)
nuTinmuch A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,092 Drives: PG 7AT 370Z Rep Power: 18	And all this time I thought the entire purpose of modding was to make a car better for the person behind the wheel. Why is this even being argued about? Whatever floats your boat, just stay the **** away from mine. __________________ nuTinmuch! -- Platinum Graphite 370Z -- Check out my Gallery thread here!

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