Not sure you want to keep the car that way. You'll have hot exhaust gases swirling around under the car. They can melt wires, discolor the underbody components and potentially get exhaust fumes inside the vehicle. You can always get some fab'ed tips like I did before doing a formal exhaust. (search for muffler delete and you'll see my threads)

How's that working out for you? Wouldn't it sound different from if you completely removed it?

Lol...I did this to the Range, would you call me a "ricer"? If it does sound good, what's wrong with wanting it without spending 10x as much?

that will hurt performance. not a single 370z pushing enough power that you would gain performance by removing the headers :P

ntm these cars dont come with headers stock. they come with exhaust manifolds ;)

im not sure im following what your saying. how would a few washers replace the gap of the muffler delete ?

If you want to save money and do a muffler delete (which I feel will net some small gains as the stock muffler is chambered and slightly restrictive), I would do some pipes with resontaotrs on it to help the noise some but still be free flowing and allow the deep tone. A muffler shop will be able to weld the resonators on the pipes real cheap like.

The stock muffler is huge and chambered so having no muffler will net some gains, how much, who knows, as the chambered muffler will cause ristriction. Even if you put a striaght thru muffler on you will net some gains. And if you just use resonators then you tame the volume some and dont mess with the flow, and in place of resonators you could just weld some larger diameter piping in to act like a res. Its all kinda rice for me but Im sure it would work for a cheap mod.

No, I'd call you a poser. But it's the same basic concept as a ricer. This mod is all show, no go, that's what's wrong with it. It's about making your car sound more powerful without actually being more powerful. I could be wrong, but nobody has done a before/after dyno to test for gains. But that's no surprise, because posers don't care about real gains, right? So why would a poser go through the trouble of doing dyno testing? Anyway, like I said, I'm just expressing my personal opinion. We can agree to disagree. If this "mod" floats your boat, more power to you. Maybe for your next mod, you can fake having a six-pack like this guy:

I no see pic or video. It may be Im blocked here but I see nothing at all.

I see this mod as nothing more than wanting a more pleasing sound without spending $1500. It doesn't mean the people doing want to make their car sound more powerful than it is. They just want a better sound.

i think it sounded good from the outside but the drone inside was enough for me to put it back on within 24 hours of removing i just saved up a bit and bought a real exhaust

thats why I would do some pipes with resonators for a couple hundred max.

Yeah, could be. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. I have to confess that I often forget how important aesthetics are to some people, and sound is indeed an important aesthetic element.

Yep, everyone wants something different. I tried this out just to see what it was like and it wasn't bad at all. Now that I've installed resonated test pipes I'm pretty sure my muffler needs to stay on.

Ive been driving around with this mod for over 2 months and there is no discoloration, fumes in the cabin, etc. During cold mornings, I can still see fumes bypassing the gap and entering/exiting the muffler. I got the idea from my brother who has been driving his wrx with this mod for years and no problems whatsoever. But if you want to be on the safe side, fabricate some pipes.

Ive only tested the car for about 20mins with a full muffler delete before i did this mod, so its kinda hard to recollect my experience, but I am pretty sure this mod toned it down a bit.

As you can see in the picture, the gasket is replaced with a few washers, therefore leaving a gap.

i guess im missing what you did to your exhaust. did you reattach your muffler back just without the gaskets? or did you have to remove the gaskets because your aftermarket pipes in place of the muffler? sorry i feel dumb atm since your picture only shows the washer area and i cant see what you actually had changed to your exhaust other than removing the gaskets

^Yup, youre exactly right. All I did was reattach the stock muffler without the gaskets. But in place of the gaskets are a few washers on each bolt (4 on each bolt = 16 washers total).

He seperated the muffler section and then gapped it out with washers. So it's pretty much disconnected but still hanging back there.

I would say most of the exhaust fumes are still going thru the exhuast and mufflers, the gap is just letting the sound out more than anything and I think that is the purpose of it.

oh ok ahaha i was really lost for a while. so just that little gap changed the sound?

^Yup, its basically a toned down version of a full muffler delete

semtex your mentality is actually the pure definition of ricer.

Yea Semtex, I looked up ricer in the rice ionary and it came up with Semtex, and Zsteve. I guess buying useful parts and not destroying good parts is rice. LOL. But hey Im really a firm beleiver, that you do what you want to your car but and not worry about what others think as long as you are doing it cuz you want to and not cuz its what others do, so to each their own.

it usually is ricer mentality to pay for things because they dont have the ingenuity to come up with modifications themselves so its understandable.

on a side note. the washer method works well. tried it. and its a very good blend of sound. It sounds almost stock under normal driving and only around 60+ can you really hear the exhaust over the wind/road noise. but under heavy acceleration it sounds really nice and very clean.

Yeah, paying for parts that are actually engineered and tested by professionals is rice. Hey, why even buy a car? I mean, let's be consistent here. Following your line of reasoning, you should have the ingenuity to come up with, and build, your own car. I mean, buying a pre-made car that someone else designed? Dude that's so rice!

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I see that semtex you like most Ricers blow things out of proportion also. are you one of those that when you lose to someone you make up thousands of excuses? i mean really why bring up designing a car. use some common sense at-least i know its hard for someone like you to accept the fact that you dont have to pay thousands of dollars to make some more power. your still the epitomy of Ricer. someone who has a bad attitude and is pessimistic towards others because you refuse to accept others opinions and only accept your own. and your posts have proven that.

:argue:Can you guys stop now and get back on topic? :tiphat:

Reading comprehension really isn't your strong point, is it?

Yeah, I can't accept anyone else's opinion. You got me on that one. :rolleyes:

Aw..where's the fun in that? :rofl2:

Wow, did someone piss in your Cheerios this morning, geez.

What are we talking about anyway?

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Actually it is the ricer mentality to pay as little as possible to nothing to create a modification, the use of payment is meant to get a better, higher quality, more engineered designed product.

Okay, in all seriousness, and in an attempt to restore some civility to this discussion . . . I never stated that you can't make power unless you pay thousands of dollars or buy parts from a company or whatever. I just don't think this particular mod will yield gains is all. As I've already stated previously in this thread, I could be wrong. But nobody has done a before/after dyno on this as far as I know, so we don't know either way at this point. If someone does a dyno and proves that there are gains to be made, I will gladly eat a big slice of humble pie and revise my opinion that this is rice. And again, even if it doesn't yield any gains, to each his/her own. I've already acknowledged that doing something for the sole purpose of improving an aesthetic element, like sound, is perfectly legit.

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Well first off, took my muffler off and I thought my car sounded great. I will probably have my buddy fab up some pipes and tips for me soon. I don't see spending the money on the exhaust until I'm ready to do the twin turbo kit I have planned. I do think this "mod" of removing your muffler is meant more to change the sound of your vehichle rather than to gain any substantial amount of hp or torque. However, and correct me if I'm wrong, any increase in air flow should yeild some sort of performance gain. I mean a cat back you buy from a manufacturer is suppose to give you a power gain. Well this is more or less a cat back exhaust with the stock piping. You are still increasing the airflow by deleting the muffler so, even if by a small amount, you should gain power as well, of coarse, drop weight. Just my two cents. Either way I think it sounds great!

Can anybody fab me up some pipes.. I live in the middle of freaking nowhere and I would love to have some pipes. I'm saving up money for college and this would be a nice way to change the soft note of the stock exhaust without spending much.

where in texas are you?