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BajaZ 07-23-2011 03:25 PM

Any suggestion on selecting a dual cold air intake?
 
OK .. i want to put an intake on my 370z .. its a 2011 what do you suggest..?
HKS.. Injen.. or Takeda? .. and why? im looking for someone that does not drone..

red6spd 07-23-2011 03:30 PM

Stillen G3. No chance of water ingestion (unless you drive into the ocean) has been proven time after time to give the best gains, sounds and looks great, very good quality. Also I think if you buy them from Z1 you can have them powder coated in what ever color you want.

weezal657 07-23-2011 03:34 PM

I would also agree about the G3, but I would also suggest doing a search for all of those intakes on this forum and you will find a wealth of information enough to make up your own mind. Also this same topic has come up numerous times so that information is there, you just have to do some work and do some research of your own. But, good luck and G3 is normally what everyone recommends.

Red__Zed 07-23-2011 03:43 PM

stillen is the only intake worth considering IMO

Methodical4u 07-23-2011 03:51 PM

I did a lot of research, but the stillen does indeed beat out all the others. If you don't want to go the long tube route then K&N drop-ins with post maf tubes is the best and cheapest way to go, though you supposedly will not get the power at the top of the RPM range like the stillen provides.

shadoquad 07-23-2011 04:15 PM

Everybody says Stillen is better by miles, but I disagree. If it is better than the Injens, it's only by a very small amount.

There's a lot of Stillen kool aid on this forum. And a lot of fearmongering about the rare cases of hardship with the Injens. Just do your own research and don't believe the incredible and top-heavy pile of hype.

shadoquad 07-23-2011 04:34 PM

In fact, if you want more detailed information on the "problem" with Injen, read this thread, which also discusses easy and cheap fixes.

http://www.the370z.com/intake-exhaus...ighlight=injen

Arkaine 07-23-2011 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd (Post 1226956)
Stillen G3. No chance of water ingestion (unless you drive into the ocean) has been proven time after time to give the best gains, sounds and looks great, very good quality. Also I think if you buy them from Z1 you can have them powder coated in what ever color you want.

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Originally Posted by weezal657 (Post 1226961)
I would also agree about the G3,

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1226978)
stillen is the only intake worth considering IMO

Not to highjack the thread (hopefully add to it), but will I still see gains with the Stillen G3 and using the stock exhaust? I understand it won't be as effective because you want the car to be able to exhale, but I really don't want an aftermarket exhaust.

shadoquad 07-23-2011 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Arkaine (Post 1227052)
Not to highjack the thread (hopefully add to it), but will I still see gains with the Stillen G3 and using the stock exhaust? I understand it won't be as effective because you want the car to be able to exhale, but I really don't want an aftermarket exhaust.

The hp Gains advertised assume a stock exhaust setup.

Arkaine 07-23-2011 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1227056)
The hp Gains advertised assume a stock exhaust setup.

Well then, much appreciated!!

I almost deserved a RTFM there... :icon17:

christian370z 07-23-2011 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1227056)
The hp Gains advertised assume a stock exhaust setup.

It's also been proven to show the best gains on modified cars as well, those are facts not kool-aid.

Methodical4u 07-23-2011 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1227024)
Everybody says Stillen is better by miles, but I disagree. If it is better than the Injens, it's only by a very small amount.

There's a lot of Stillen kool aid on this forum. And a lot of fearmongering about the rare cases of hardship with the Injens. Just do your own research and don't believe the incredible and top-heavy pile of hype.

You know i felt the very same way, but looking at dyno after dyno with different set-ups the ones with stillen G3's ALL have the higher numbers. I would think the Injen's would get just as much if not more power because it seems like where they sit more cold air gets to them, but like I said so far on the research i've seen anyway the G3's show more gains.

Methodical4u 07-23-2011 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Arkaine (Post 1227052)
Not to highjack the thread (hopefully add to it), but will I still see gains with the Stillen G3 and using the stock exhaust? I understand it won't be as effective because you want the car to be able to exhale, but I really don't want an aftermarket exhaust.

I would look into the G3's and look at ART's resonated test pipes... they show more gains than high flow cats as well as any other test pipe out there but without a lot of the noise. That should get you about 20 whp total I would think... perhaps more. They are expensive, so be warned and if that doesn't interest you then Berks high flow cats a lot of people get with just the stock set-up.

One guy did just a cheap ebay Y pipe for 100.00 and the ART pipes and gained 20 whp. No other mods

Jordo! 07-23-2011 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd (Post 1226956)
Stillen G3. No chance of water ingestion (unless you drive into the ocean) has been proven time after time to give the best gains, sounds and looks great, very good quality. Also I think if you buy them from Z1 you can have them powder coated in what ever color you want.

This... but, frankly smooth intake tubes (e.g., cobb) plus K&N panel filters only make slightly less power at a fraction of the cost.

If you can find the G3's used, go for it, otherwise, I'd recommend going with the alternative I noted.

djpathfinder 07-23-2011 09:58 PM

Stillen Gen3 >> Injen. Why change out the windshield washer reservoir? Why chance a potential water problem because the filters are placed too low? Why buy a product only to have to do a "fix", no matter how cheap, to solve a problem you don't need?

Methodical4u 07-23-2011 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 1227335)
This... but, frankly smooth intake tubes (e.g., cobb) plus K&N panel filters only make slightly less power at a fraction of the cost.

If you can find the G3's used, go for it, otherwise, I'd recommend going with the alternative I noted.

Do you have dyno graphs of this to prove it?

BajaZ 07-23-2011 10:37 PM

i have been searching .. but i, like everyone else (at least thats what i think) find different opinions and different experiences with them.. and every opinion is greatly appreciated. I will look deeper about the G3s though :)

shadoquad 07-24-2011 12:57 AM

I didn't have to fix my injens. They just work and are awesome. Just gonna hear this community drone on about the stillens, which require cutting to install and bumper removal for filter replacement.

Both do the same job. Whatever.

Jordo! 07-24-2011 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Methodical4u (Post 1227356)
Do you have dyno graphs of this to prove it?

If you search, I've discussed this at length... this conclusion is based on observing multiple dynojet results, across several vehicles.

If you disagree or wish to dispute my conclusion that's perfectly fine... spend your cash as you see fit :tiphat:

BajaZ 07-24-2011 03:18 PM

damn.. the more i learn the less i know .. all i know about their performance of these intakes is what i've read so far, but the pictures i have seen the G3s look neater once intalled and the sound is nice and clean. Ill like to learn how to do this myself.. anyone from Hawaii ?

SonnyC 07-26-2011 09:07 PM

G3
 
I was considering the G3 but found, after looking at the dyno chart on the Stillen site, that the majority of the gain is between 6500-7200 rpm. The mid range is significantly less gain. I don't drive much at the redline so I didn't think that a 2-4% hp gain in the midrange rpm's was worth the install, maint. and $600. You can check out the chart at the Stillen site.

http://blog.stillen.com/wp-content/g...yno_402852.jpg

I have the Stillen CBE and love it. Nice resonate tone, kind of like a stock G37 sound on steroids with no drone at all. Butt dyno says the power is improved.

Stillen is a class company and makes great products so I would go with the G3 if you think the power is desirable for your driving style.

Methodical4u 07-26-2011 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 1227485)
If you search, I've discussed this at length... this conclusion is based on observing multiple dynojet results, across several vehicles.

If you disagree or wish to dispute my conclusion that's perfectly fine... spend your cash as you see fit :tiphat:

Trust me, if the research of dyno charts with the same other parts would typically read the same results I would GLADLY get the drop-ins with post maf tubes... I would probably get the fang kit to add a little more cool air though. Anyway... please do point me to the thread(s) that show the same or better gain. Obviously I don't want to spend over 500.00 if I don't have to.

Red__Zed 07-26-2011 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1227480)
I didn't have to fix my injens. They just work and are awesome. Just gonna hear this community drone on about the stillens, which require cutting to install and bumper removal for filter replacement.

Both do the same job. Whatever.

the injens don't give the same results.

Methodical4u 07-26-2011 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zmaster (Post 1227979)
damn.. the more i learn the less i know .. all i know about their performance of these intakes is what i've read so far, but the pictures i have seen the G3s look neater once intalled and the sound is nice and clean. Ill like to learn how to do this myself.. anyone from Hawaii ?

I wish

Red__Zed 07-26-2011 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 1227485)
If you search, I've discussed this at length... this conclusion is based on observing multiple dynojet results, across several vehicles.

If you disagree or wish to dispute my conclusion that's perfectly fine... spend your cash as you see fit :tiphat:

the postMAFs and filter are lucky to give half the gains of the stillens.

daisuke149 07-26-2011 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 1227485)
If you search, I've discussed this at length... this conclusion is based on observing multiple dynojet results, across several vehicles.

If you disagree or wish to dispute my conclusion that's perfectly fine... spend your cash as you see fit :tiphat:

truthfully i havnt seen any dyno's to show this and ive been here quite a while and read all the threads.

being someone who has had both setups, i can tell you that the most mafs + drops dont come close to the power than the stillen would make up top. under the top end they are comparable.

Methodical4u 07-26-2011 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by daisuke149 (Post 1231988)
truthfully i havnt seen any dyno's to show this and ive been here quite a while and read all the threads.

being someone who has had both setups, i can tell you that the most mafs + drops dont come close to the power than the stillen would make up top. under the top end they are comparable.

I think that people are just weighing if the power up top is worth it considering that many of us don't run our cars all the way to 7 grand or more. However they the power up top cannot be denied either.

BajaZ 07-27-2011 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Methodical4u (Post 1231980)
I wish

haha .. man, go for a vacation a week or two and you will have a blast.. but living there is so much different.. im only there because thats where i got stationed.. but i LOVE Cali :driving:

bubbagross 07-27-2011 05:50 AM

Curious to know why the JWT Pop chargers have not had a mention, surely they must better than drop ins ??:ugh2:

wstar 07-27-2011 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1227480)
I didn't have to fix my injens. They just work and are awesome. Just gonna hear this community drone on about the stillens, which require cutting to install and bumper removal for filter replacement.

Both do the same job. Whatever.

We've seen some reports of water problems with Injens in rainy / humid weather too. The reports are that the filter material is fond of restricting in high humidity (post-rain) conditions in general (leading to engine failing to start), and that because of the tube layout rain runoff tends to run down the tubes onto the filters as well.

Those are primary concerns about the Injen solution, not the performance.

BajaZ 07-27-2011 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar (Post 1232246)
We've seen some reports of water problems with Injens in rainy / humid weather too. The reports are that the filter material is fond of restricting in high humidity (post-rain) conditions in general (leading to engine failing to start), and that because of the tube layout rain runoff tends to run down the tubes onto the filters as well.

Those are primary concerns about the Injen solution, not the performance.

man .. that is good to know .. injens no more .. it pours in HI!

BajaZ 08-02-2011 10:10 PM

What do you guys think about AEMŽ - Electronically Tuned Air Intake System .. ? anyone seen them in action?

Red__Zed 08-02-2011 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Zmaster (Post 1242540)
What do you guys think about AEMŽ - Electronically Tuned Air Intake System .. ? anyone seen them in action?

gains aren't on the levels of the G3's. For the price, not worth it.

BajaZ 08-03-2011 03:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1242541)
gains aren't on the levels of the G3's. For the price, not worth it.

i keep looking and comparing but sometimes i find contradicting info .. so i come here and ask :) thanks !

Jamaica 08-03-2011 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zmaster (Post 1242540)
What do you guys think about AEMŽ - Electronically Tuned Air Intake System .. ? anyone seen them in action?

Great intake. No one has a before and after dyno..(I had the intake)

dark_nismo 08-03-2011 05:56 AM

Any long 'cold' air intakes (injens, g3, etc) will have the chance of water getting to the filters. I have the Injens and Im very pleased with them but my car is not a daily driver so it doesn't see any water. I know I'm just beating a dead horse here but if your worried about water soaking up through your filters then just go with the short ram intakes or just throw in the k&n's in there. In regards to hp and tq, with all these intakes out there, we're only talking about minimal gains either way around. There isn't 'one' special, revolutionary, magical intake that is above all other intakes. In my opinion there all the same. In the end, it just personal preference trying to squeeze out those extra 4-6 hp and not ""20-30hp"". Just my 0.2 cents.

red6spd 08-03-2011 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by dark_nismo (Post 1242731)
Any long 'cold' air intakes (injens, g3, etc) will have the chance of water getting to the filters. I have the Injens and Im very pleased with them but my car is not a daily driver so it doesn't see any water. I know I'm just beating a dead horse here but if your worried about water soaking up through your filters then just go with the short ram intakes or just throw in the k&n's in there. In regards to hp and tq, with all these intakes out there, we're only talking about minimal gains either way around. There isn't 'one' special, revolutionary, magical intake that is above all other intakes. In my opinion there all the same. In the end, it just personal preference trying to squeeze out those extra 4-6 hp and not ""20-30hp"". Just my 0.2 cents.



Explain to me how water can get to the Gen3's?? Unless you think your car is a submarine. I would have to say the Gen3's are going to get about as wet as a SRI which has been proven is the worst type of intake to buy. As for the gains there have been several dynos showing the Gen3 adding 10-15hp maybe more on a stock Z.

ANMVQ 08-03-2011 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by red6spd (Post 1242807)
Explain to me how water can get to the Gen3's?? Unless you think your car is a submarine. I would have to say the Gen3's are going to get about as wet as a SRI which has been proven is the worst type of intake to buy. As for the gains there have been several dynos showing the Gen3 adding 10-15hp maybe more on a stock Z.



AHAHAH Said "car is a submarine". Agree tho. I have GEN 3's and the sheild is pretty good I have check my filters after I washed the car and there where not wet.. And mositer will not go through the filters Like he said you would litterally have to be under water to have issues. I would be more worried about the INJENS that go down by the fender wells.

dark_nismo 08-03-2011 11:10 AM

I did say 'chance' of getting water into the cold air intake filters. If you guys say that theres no way that the g3 intakes will not get wet then that would be my choice as far as going long tube for you daily drivers. 10-15 hp! Even better, right? Goodluck with your choice.

Red__Zed 08-03-2011 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dark_nismo (Post 1243080)
I did say 'chance' of getting water into the cold air intake filters. If you guys say that theres no way that the g3 intakes will not get wet then that would be my choice as far as going long tube for you daily drivers. 10-15 hp! Even better, right? Goodluck with your choice.

Sure, but the gen3's it about a .5% chance, whereas the injens it is probably a 4-10% chance depending on who you believe.

And let's be real, if you get water in your gen3s, you have bigger issues to worry about, like how to get out of your car underwater.


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