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azn370z 03-22-2009 06:48 PM

So how much hp did the cats and exhaust give? Did you dyno on the one that gets 250hp or 290hp stock?

semtex 03-22-2009 06:53 PM

I'm not sure I understand your question. Did you read post #67?

http://www.the370z.com/intake-exhaus...html#post46196

azn370z 03-22-2009 07:05 PM

I missed that post on my iPhone. Nice bump in hp.

ArtVandaleigh 03-22-2009 07:20 PM

Wow very impressive, I'm liking this motor more and more now. Great job documenting this stuff for everyone as well.

RCZ 03-22-2009 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by semtex (Post 46289)
Well, I've got the Stillen G3 intakes scheduled to come in on Tuesday, so that'll be my next mod. I want to see what those do first. It'd be interesting if those put me over 300. And yes, I can feel a gain with the butt dyno. I didn't want to overstate it though, because you know how people can get when you talk about how you can 'feel' a gain (and rightly so).

Yeah, well lets see what happens. I am going the same route as you are, we are just around a week off on timing though :) I may do headers as well.

bullitt5897 03-22-2009 09:45 PM

Yea guys Ben and I were extremely surprised by the amount of power made by this combo! The looks on our faces was priceless LOL like a no f'n way is that possible! Ben was like this is ricer math results! For reference my car made 254.2hp bonestock which is about right for a stock car. I look forward to bens future upgrades! :)

Endgame 03-22-2009 10:14 PM

I recall someone with a G37 with full exhaust (Headers, HFC's, Catback), CAI, and custom tune putting down 342 HP on the dynos. There were so many people stating that was not true; the dyno is wrong, etc....

I am not saying 342 on a dyno is possible, but I am saying that this car can be made MUCH more power as we have seen. I cannot wait to see one with the intake, full exhaust, and tune on a dyno. Wait until the turbos start dropping....

2bits 03-23-2009 01:34 AM

Do we know roughly how much of that 37whp was the berk, and how much was the cat-back?

370Z Engine (VQ37VHR) > 370z.com > 370z.com - Magazine

"Past the catalytic converters the exhaust merges into a single exhaust feeding to a larger transversely mounted muffler with twin outlets. As a note to tuners when we examined the car closely on a lift, we noted that the exhaust from the catalytic converters rearward is exceedingly small in diameter for an engine of this displacement and power output. It is almost as if Nissan wanted to artificially limit the power output of the engine for some reason by choking off the exhaust. We feel that a larger diameter, less restrictive exhaust may free up quite a few horsepower from the 370Z's motor."

I'm hoping that the cat-back accounts for most of your gain, since that represents a pretty easy and cheap bolt-on compared to installing hfc's and/or headers. I hear the latter is a PITA on these Z's. Awesome article, btw.

Devil Z 03-23-2009 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by semtex (Post 46271)
Finally got around to doing a dyno. Here's the dyno sheet, and I made a new video as well.

http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/t...yno_032109.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYgqLoUNBQY

Next up is installing the Stillen G3 intakes. I'll try to dyno after that as well.

No offence, but I don't like these numbers with those mods

Nice car very nice

semtex 03-23-2009 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2bits (Post 46422)
Do we know roughly how much of that 37whp was the berk, and how much was the cat-back?

Well, that's the funny thing. Stillen claims +18 whp from their cat-back. Berk claims +19 whp from their HFCs. Now, we all know that we can't expect to just add the two together and expect a total gain of +37 whp, right? Yet . . . that's pretty much bang on what happened. If we use the 254.2 that Mike got from bone stock as a baseline just minutes before I put my car on the same dyno, then we have a gain of 37.5 whp. 'Ricer math' actually appears to have worked in this instance! So, to answer your question, if we go back to the claimed numbers from the manufacturers, it would appear that it's almost an even 50/50 between the two components.

semtex 03-23-2009 07:35 AM

What don't you like? You realize this is a Dyno Dynamics, right? They come in lower than even Mustang Dynos. 291.7 on a Dyno Dynamics = approx. 344 on a DynoJet!

Give this thread a read if you haven't seen it yet:
http://www.the370z.com/vq37vhr/2199-...alculator.html

JohnnyBgood 03-23-2009 08:42 AM

Semtex,

These numbers are sweet. I'm expecting my cats tomorrow and will have them and the Stillen exhaust installed sometime this week. I'm looking around Austin for a dyno to hopefully get before and after numbers on the same car.:stirthepot:

Endgame 03-23-2009 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by semtex (Post 46453)
What don't you like? You realize this is a Dyno Dynamics, right? They come in lower than even Mustang Dynos. 291.7 on a Dyno Dynamics = approx. 344 on a DynoJet!

Give this thread a read if you haven't seen it yet:
http://www.the370z.com/vq37vhr/2199-...alculator.html

Sweet. well done Semtex....

semtex 03-23-2009 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyBgood (Post 46456)
Semtex,

These numbers are sweet. I'm expecting my cats tomorrow and will have them and the Stillen exhaust installed sometime this week. I'm looking around Austin for a dyno to hopefully get before and after numbers on the same car.:stirthepot:

Cool! Pls post your before/after results to this thread, if you don't mind. As more people get this combo, it'd be nice if we can use this thread to compare everyone's experiences and results. I know that thus far, this thread has been all about my car only, but that's just because I'm the first one on this forum to try this combo. My intent is for this thread to be open for everyone who tries this combo to post their impressions and results.

M.Bonanni 03-23-2009 06:22 PM

Those are some impressive numbers! Even though its not exactly a direct comparison, I am glad that these results back up my results with just the Berk HFCs!

cotizi 03-23-2009 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyBgood (Post 46456)
Semtex,

These numbers are sweet. I'm expecting my cats tomorrow and will have them and the Stillen exhaust installed sometime this week. I'm looking around Austin for a dyno to hopefully get before and after numbers on the same car.:stirthepot:

Let me know what you find. I live in Austin and am picking up my Z tomorrow! :)

semtex 03-23-2009 08:33 PM

Well, my YouTube video is drawing some skepticism judging from the comments left there. It kinda irritates me when people imply that I'm being dishonest just because they're not used to seeing such significant gains. I'm just to sharing my results for the benefit of the community, after all. I invited them to join the forum if they want to discuss.

YouTube - 370Z w/ Stillen Exhaust & Berk HFCs: Dyno Results

Josh@STILLEN 03-23-2009 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by semtex (Post 46704)
Well, my YouTube video is drawing some skepticism judging from the comments left there. It kinda irritates me when people imply that I'm being dishonest just because they're not used to seeing such significant gains. I'm just to sharing my results for the benefit of the community, after all. I invited them to join the forum if they want to discuss.

YouTube - 370Z w/ Stillen Exhaust & Berk HFCs: Dyno Results

LOL.. do yourself a favor.. don't argue with folks on youtube.. they have a lot more time than you can possibly imagine..

Some hating on our video as well. It seems like a large number.. and it is! Let them call BS.. :)

YouTube - STILLEN 370Z Dual Cat-Back Stainless Exhaust System

zZSportZz 03-23-2009 09:44 PM

Interesting numbers.

Semtex, do you have any plans on racing? I'm curious as to what your times would be with those mods :)

JohnnyBgood 03-24-2009 08:14 AM

Not having much luck finding a place that will do the dyno for me, and my install is scheduled for Thursday. We'll see what happens.

theDreamer 03-24-2009 09:29 AM

Semtex, thanks for all the reports.

ChrisSlicks 03-24-2009 01:28 PM

I'm impressed by the gains. Looking forward to seeing the intake results on top.

bullitt5897 03-24-2009 02:37 PM

hey Ben I bet sharif would let us dyno again but this time we would have to wash the entire GTR! LOL hehehe

semtex 03-24-2009 03:29 PM

Yeah I sent him an email today, actually. The received the G3 intakes today and should have them on either tonight or tomorrow, so I want to do another dyno to see what gains they yield.

RCZ 03-24-2009 03:42 PM

You got the intakes too? Cool. Let us know! I'm calling 302.4hp.

RDGR12 03-24-2009 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by semtex (Post 41773)
Yes, RDGR12 please elaborate on what you mean by 'visual inspection'. It's not like these things are huge or anything. In fact, I doubt anyone would even notice unless they're familiar with the 370 and are intentionally looking at the tips.


Sorry semtex for responding a little late. I'm not talking about being pulled over for the exhaust. I agree. The Stillen exhaust does look like stock. It's when you bring in your car for smog check (which is about 5 years later from what year the car was made or bought - not too sure). They will test by sniffer and also visually inspect the catalytic converter, if it's in placed or changed. You may pass the sniffer, but will fail by visual.

Back to the topic... those are nice numbers! :tup:

RCZ 03-24-2009 04:46 PM

They have NO idea what the car is supposed to look like...

JoeyD 03-24-2009 04:47 PM

^Yet

semtex 03-24-2009 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RDGR12 (Post 46974)
Sorry semtex for responding a little late. I'm not talking about being pulled over for the exhaust. I agree. The Stillen exhaust does look like stock. It's when you bring in your car for smog check (which is about 5 years later from what year the car was made or bought - not too sure). They will test by sniffer and also visually inspect the catalytic converter, if it's in placed or changed. You may pass the sniffer, but will fail by visual.

Back to the topic... those are nice numbers! :tup:

Thanks for explaining. Thankfully, I don't live in CA and they're nowhere nearly so thorough in GA. All they do here is hook up an OBDII cable and as long as your car hasn't thrown any recent CELs, you're good to go! No visual inspections, no sniffers (unless it's an older car with no OBDII interface).

SoCal 370Z 03-24-2009 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by semtex (Post 47000)
Thankfully, I don't live in CA...

Say whaaaaat?! :eek:

par4bmw 03-24-2009 05:57 PM

Thanks semtex for all the postings on this. That is extremely awesome results. I am sold on that combo now. Can not wait to hear what the intake adds.

Pushing_Tin 03-24-2009 11:45 PM

Nobody has mentioned pricing yet. What did you spend on the exhaust and cats? Do members here get some sort of discount? TIA.

semtex 03-25-2009 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pushing_Tin (Post 47162)
Nobody has mentioned pricing yet. What did you spend on the exhaust and cats? Do members here get some sort of discount? TIA.

STILLEN : STILLEN 370Z Dual Exhaust System

http://www.the370z.com/importpartspr...html#post46131

Pushing_Tin 03-25-2009 12:28 PM

Thanks!

JohnnyBgood 03-27-2009 08:47 AM

got my combo installed...
 
Got the Berk cats and Stillen exhaust installed yesterday. Had a few fitment issues: the x-pipe wasn't matching up to the muffler inlets. Called Stillen, and they gave excellent advice as to how to correct the situation. Turns out my mechanic didn't see the line in the instructions (printed in bold) about using a jack stand to hold up the exhaust while you tighten it up. Hey, he gets paid for his wrench skills, not his reading skills. I should also mention the shop doing the install doesn't normally do this type of job. (But it's right next door to work..couldn't beat the convenience factor.) Also, the cats came off with no problems--I warned the guy about the trouble people are having.

I think I'm going to take it to a muffler shop and have them weld a few of the seams and take out the U-brackets to make sure they don't leak. There's just barely enough metal to close some of the gaps, and I'm afraid of developing a leak as everything settles. This is probably overkill, but it will make me feel better in the long run.

I'm very happy with the quality of construction on both pieces, as well as the support I got from Stillen. The sound is unbelievable. Really comes on after 3K rpm. The video clips don't do it justice--you have to hear it in person.

I'm planning on changing the oil this weekend since my break-in period is over, and I'll really see what it can do next week. So I can't really comment on the power gains since I haven't thrashed it yet.

Overall, I highly recommend this combo, and many thanks to Semtex for the extensive coverage he provided. That was definitely a factor in my buying decision.

semtex 03-27-2009 09:59 AM

^ Cool! Yeah I agree the video clips don't do the sound justice. It's like the sound of race cars on TV vs. actually going to the track!

cotizi 03-31-2009 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyBgood (Post 48019)
Got the Berk cats and Stillen exhaust installed yesterday. Had a few fitment issues: the x-pipe wasn't matching up to the muffler inlets. Called Stillen, and they gave excellent advice as to how to correct the situation. Turns out my mechanic didn't see the line in the instructions (printed in bold) about using a jack stand to hold up the exhaust while you tighten it up. Hey, he gets paid for his wrench skills, not his reading skills. I should also mention the shop doing the install doesn't normally do this type of job. (But it's right next door to work..couldn't beat the convenience factor.) Also, the cats came off with no problems--I warned the guy about the trouble people are having.

I think I'm going to take it to a muffler shop and have them weld a few of the seams and take out the U-brackets to make sure they don't leak. There's just barely enough metal to close some of the gaps, and I'm afraid of developing a leak as everything settles. This is probably overkill, but it will make me feel better in the long run.

I'm very happy with the quality of construction on both pieces, as well as the support I got from Stillen. The sound is unbelievable. Really comes on after 3K rpm. The video clips don't do it justice--you have to hear it in person.

I'm planning on changing the oil this weekend since my break-in period is over, and I'll really see what it can do next week. So I can't really comment on the power gains since I haven't thrashed it yet.

Overall, I highly recommend this combo, and many thanks to Semtex for the extensive coverage he provided. That was definitely a factor in my buying decision.

Where did you get your install done? Im almost set on the same combo as well.

JohnnyBgood 04-01-2009 07:59 AM

I'm actually up in Round Rock. I have a mechanic shop next to me called Carl's Automotive. Some of the old timers there used to drag race back in the day. I'd highly recommend them. (Especially since he's done one install already!)

cotizi 04-01-2009 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyBgood (Post 50267)
I'm actually up in Round Rock. I have a mechanic shop next to me called Carl's Automotive. Some of the old timers there used to drag race back in the day. I'd highly recommend them. (Especially since he's done one install already!)


nice, thats close to me :)

Dr. Acula 04-27-2009 09:18 AM

i cant see the videos! :(


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