Someone needs to organize an audio drag race immediately.

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Or something like this..

How about a real drag race at a strip. Bryan from Berk in one car and me in the other. We both run stock intakes with K&N drop ins of course. Our own HFC's and our own cat back exhaust systems. That would be fun but I won't hold my breath on it happening anytime soon. I think it would boost relations between the two companies and give you all something to enjoy. :driving:

Bush: What! u found the supercharger in iraq?

Tony, here are some quotes from your customers and lastly from you on the subject of drone with FI exhaust.

“The only drone sound I heard is when your at the 2.5 to 3k rpm range”
“I have drone around the 2-3K rpm range.”
“Tony , I have the FI cbe with 18'' res and carbon and really like the looks quality and sound (except the 2000-2300 drone) “
“The only issue I notice so far is the drone at 2k while cruising…”
“the drone around 2-3k RPM is my biggest issue”
“want to calm the drone down some while at 2K”

“Now me personally I do not feel that the drone at 2000-2400 RPM's is obtrusive.”
F.I.Inc (Tony )

2000-2400rpm=61-74mph=legal cruising speed

Calm down, Tony. Did you take the time to read the comment you quoted? I specifically said that I couldn't compare the 2 because of the addition of HFCs. Relax!!

So far, you're the only "vendor" that has to step into threads and try to put down your competition (you've done so in several threads, btw). So far, I think the thread (especially my review) has been unbiased debate until you popped in.

And about the drone, so far every review of the FI that I have personally read comments about the drone. In contrast, every review of the Berk CBE, again, only that I've read, has specifically denounced any presence of drone.

well, here's your problem

nuh uh berk is way more better!

No way, stock is deep and full!

I guess the deep and full sound of the fast intentions must be after we rape them ;) :stirthepot:

At this point you are stirring the post so I will not fall into that with you!

If we are in agreement about the HFC vs non HFC than you and I are on the same page as far as that goes.

I do not need to calm down because I am not worked up.

BTW- I am not a vendor, I am a manufacture that distributes my own product. If you have a problem with me chiming in then I cannot help you with that. This is also a thread that has my name in the tittle as well. Ask anyone of my hundreds of customers, they appreciate the fact that I am here to give input.

I wasn't trying to knock Berk I was just stating that I want to see a dyno chart producing the power that is claimed. If you are happy with your system, then great for you. Customer satisfaction needs to be the most important factor in all of this.

On one last note, as far as the drone, it is subjective just like everything else. Apparently my sales have not been affected by the so called drone so we must be doing something right.

If you want to ever contact me directly, then you are more than welcome to, my door is always open...

Thank you, Tony

ummm, thanks for the info guys.

I'm feeling really bad in starting the great exhaust sound civil war.

Can someone advise me in inch's of the lowest point of the FI Mufflers. I just need to check my driveway.

Best line ever!:tiphat:

Hi Tony, I am thinking of getting FI catback exhauts soon, what is the lightest and most performance option? I am certain that I want the CF mufflers, but not sure about resonaters. Would it too obnoxious if i go no resonater on x pipe with resonated test pipe?
thanks
F.I ftw all the way!
kevin

Triple's took pictures and I think it was 4 inches from the ground. What I fan tell is that at the lowest point it is 3/8" lower than stock. Ironically it is in the same location as the lowest point of the stock exhaust system. The lowest point is right behind the rear tires.

This is true. I think some people get caught up in the info put out by the companies who can tweak the numbers in their favor. Most of the aftermarket CBEs out right now make about the same gains +/- a couple of HP. A more straight CBE will probably make a couple more than one that has 45 and up degree turns. The straighter one will have more drone than the one with bends as the bends help negate frews. So gains should not really be the determining factor in picking your CBE, it should be looks and sound. And both of those a very different for each person. Thats why its good there are several companies out there that make CBEs and HFC, which are around the same gain too and CAIs which are around the same gains too.

I love my FI exhaust and HFC. The quality of materials and workmanship is superb. It has a very aggressive look. This appeals to me but others may want a more stock look.

As far as sound goes, well, I got FI because thats what sounded the best to me. It isn't going to necessarily sound the best to everyone. I'll tell you one thing though: I've been complimented on the street by guys driving camaros, mustangs, and other muscle cars about how good the exhaust sounds. They usually hate how imports sound. I get many compliments on the street. Tony just matched the exhaust to the personality of the car very well.

The exhaust does not produce any noticeable drone unless there is a significant amount of engine load (going uphill).

The Berk CBE is nice, but it doesn't appeal to me due to my personal taste. If someone else likes it thats great. I'm glad we have several options at our disposal.

Edit: Due to Coilovers and crazy low profile tires my clearance on the exhaust is 2 3/4 inches :O

Tony keep one thing in mind here while you converse with the Berk guy's, there the same guys that are blaming UPS for the way there system fits. Saying that UPS bent hangers on all the systems that were shipped and that they bent the same hanger on the same side on every system, without damaging anything else, according to them it was the forks on the hilo that did it but yet it didn't touch or damage anything else. Add to that, a guy weighing over 200lbs couldn't bend it back, so it was hit just enough to bend a stiff bracket but nothing else. Then on page 3 they finally fess up and admit that it's Berks build and there taking care of the problem and they fit good now. I'm surprised they didn't blame UPS for shipping 2 left side pipes.:bowrofl:
http://www.the370z.com/intake-exhaus...ok-uneven.html
You have to read this, it's just too funny. Keep up the great work and by the way, my system has no drone and sounds awesome and was told this by many people even my wife, who knows sh%t about cars. Quotes from 5 guys out of a hundred saying that they have drone tends to make me think that just maybe they don't know what drone really sounds like.
Now just stay tuned, here comes the bashing these guys are real sensitive when it comes to there exhaust:p

Actually Im thinking you dont know what drone is, trust me there is drone at the 2-3K range when just cruising or going up an incline. Other than that they system is great. Any straight CBE is going to have drone, maybe you just like the sounds of drone, who knows, its all subjective. I think it might be worse in the ATs as it will cruise at the drone rpm while in the "D" mode. I get compliments on my FI CBE all the time too and not just young guys. It really is a great sounding system, Im 99% satisfied with it and wouldnt trade for any of the others out there.

If your goal was to start a flame war, it's not going to happen...sadly.

Both Berk and FI have had their issues with UPS, so shipping and handling is a valid complaint as to why systems are damaged or missing.

I wouldn't call Berk owners the ones being "sensitive". I don't see Berk in this thread trying to put down F.I.'s exhaust, do you?

In addition, F.I. is the only system, on this site, that has been sold by a member because of the "tone" (whether it was too loud, or too much drone, I can't remember).

Both are great exhausts. Both are going to have "drone" according to what the driver chooses to hear. Both have had issues with UPS that appear to NOT be the norm.

And to be clear, I'm not a F.I. hater or Berk lover. I'm fell in love with F.I. when I heard Zsteve's car and wanted to cancel my GB purchase with Berk and switch to F.I., but ultimately chose against it. Hell, I'm still thinking about getting in on some F.I. LTHs and selling my Berk HFCs!

Hey guys,

A few posts back someone asked for dyno results from berk. There were some posted in this thread.

http://www.the370z.com/exhaust-intak...k-exhaust.html

There is no complete stock baseline though. baseline is done with HFC and then exhaust is added.

Matt,

When you are ready for the headers, do not hesitate to call me directly...

Thanks, Tony

i just heard the berk exhaust system in video clips. it was nice but it didn't cut it for my personal likings. im a happy F.I. customer :) fi tdx cbe ftw :driving:

Hey, you like what you like. No one can fault you for that! I am glad to see that you are still satisfied with our exhaust...

Thanks, Tony

Hey Tony, I bumped into another local who just put your exhaust on his 370Z. We both were doing dynos at the same location! His name is Alan, posts here as Shawnal.

So...regarding tone/volume...I agree with you, the FI has a 'deeper' tone. especially considering the massive CF cans he has. Both exhausts' volume were about the same. Both sound awesome according to others at the shop. You like what you like! The tips look sweet, although one of his tips sticks out from the bumper more than the other :icon14:. Of course my Berk is misaligned left-right as well :rolleyes:

Dyno runs came out pretty close, he also has Injen LT intakes and his numbers came out about 5HP higher than mine. We both run stock cats.

:tiphat:

Yeah,

He told me that he ran into someone there and now I know who it is. He did a dyno run the day before without the intakes and made the same peak power. He told me that the dyno after the intakes were installed showed a loss in the mid range. I told him not to be too quick to jump the gun. Put a good 200 miles on the car and then go back and do another dyno test. At that point if his gains are no different then we know what the intakes are only good for! :eek:

As far as the sound, thank you for commenting because it is nice to hear an actual Berk exhaust system owner back up my statement. My statement being that my exhaust (FI) is deeper. Anyways, enjoy your exhaust and do not hesitate to ask if you ever need anything...

Thanks, Tony

He should be able to adjust that no problem, the fit is about perfect so he can get it inline.

I have the cf mufflers and 12" resonators. The "drone" at the rpms people refer to sounds smooth and deep, in no way annoying or a bad thing imo. Guess people aren't used to an exhaust that sounds like it means business. Never had a passenger that complained for the record either.

But I would say the best thing about the sound is when shifting gears. You hit it just right and get that burbling sound in between shifts.......pure sex!

Berks were on my list when shopping, they just took too long to get in the game and my patience to replace the horrid stock exhaust was getting the better of me. Good thing F.I. was around!

I do like the Berks sound too, just not quite as aggressive for my taste. But everybody is different. In the end it all depends on what sounds best to you, and which setup you prefer.

Deeper but not better. I love my Berk's sound. And it's stealth factor. :stirthepot:

I went with Agency power because it had the optional silencers when they are out its loud but hardly any drone and the sound is mean when the silencers are in its deep and there's no drone at all and its more tame, perfect for long trips

I was sorta worried in the week or two prior to ordering my FI TDX CBE. But after reading every review and excessive thread stalking I decided the drone issue was way blown out of proportion. It seemed people wanted their cake and to eat it too. u know? i want 18+ HP and I also want my car silent on the highway, and I also want my car to sound exotic and too weak, but I want it to sound like a V8. hey guess what? If you want your car to have more "balls" then the crap stock setup, then you better make sure you have a set as well. Maybe you should have modded out a Honda Accord since the Z is just too loud for you. V-TECH!!!!! hahahaha. I know I'm gonna catch some heat on this one, especially since I have yet to hear the exhaust in person. OHHH my... did I just reveal that? Oh well, like I tell my girlfriend, at least I'm honest baby...and u like it...:stirthepot:

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Damn. this is how that one line was supposed to read..."i want 18+ HP and I also want my car silent on the highway, and I also want my car to sound exotic BUT NOT too weak, but I also want it to sound like a V8..." :icon14:

And thats how it should be too. I want I want i want.

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In that case, forget an exhaust for a 370Z. I want Eva Longoria as my wife( I hate you Tony Parker) she is the epitomy of Hot Latina!!!!! I want a Ferrari F-50http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4hMvo71p4M DROOOOLLLLL:eek::eek: bEST CAR EVER! and then I want to live the adventures of BEAR Grylls(and to have that as my Name):excited:

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HOly Crap I'm f'ing up on my post... YouTube - Ferrari F50 SHOOTING FLAMES-Preview Video... This is the real F-50 link. Pure extasy other than the pill. hahaha. but seriously my bad, dont know how the extra http made it. F-50. I still have wet dreams about this ride

Honestly I like the sound of the berk better. But I prefer the craftsmanship of the FI and look also. FI is too ricey sounding to me.

If I had Eva I would never come out of the house I would just come.

I have never herd the F.I or Berk systems in person. Due to being on the other side of the world.

I would have to agree based off the video in the thread "Berk Exhaust Production with X-Pipe" That video of the berk system taking off is the best sounding clip on youtube for the 370z. Is it the exhaust? or the cam recorder used to film it? who knows...Well I don't

However, look of the size of the F.I order list. It's clear everyone knows somthing that I dont. Plus the craftsmanship factor. Hence why I'm always drawn back to F.I exhaust.

Ding, ding!

Video clips give you a good idea of how the car sounds with particular exhaust systems...but everyone who owns a Berk or FI will tell you that those Video Clips do not do these exhaust systems justice....If you're debating on what you should get, I say the best way is to hear both exhaust sytems in person...