Add in the cost for a clutch (and a csc and flywheel since you're in there), gauges, tune, boost controller, probably a radiator (add in the cost to recharge the ac system after install), an exhaust if you don't have one, etc. A FI kit is never the total cost. Budget 3-5k for supporting mods and tune.

Yes and no. He only commented on the turbo kit. He did not mention the upgrades to keep everything running. These upgrade are technically the same for any FI or big HP/TQ modding. Sure you can get your car up and running with just the kit. But, who reliable is the car as a whole? How well will it perform? How long the current set up will last are questionable.

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I think I'm making the right decision then to hold off until I have another 5k or so saved up so I can just send it off and have everything done at once. I reallllly want FI but I'm not willing to short cut anywhere.

In the meantime I suppose I'll dump some cash into some NA mods, understanding there is little room to grow and I'll end up reselling most of them, but it will keep me happy until I find the end of the rainbow.

Spend the money on the suspension. It'll scratch the modding itch and it won't be wasted money.

Good point. There is a couple thousand savings with a ST kit.

The idle hiccup is something that I thought all the guys that eliminated the PCV system were having. I know Mitch, Gale and I have had long discussions about it. If you aren't having it I'd be real interested to understand what your tuner did to eliminate it. It was part of my base map (R/T Tuning), my custom tune and Mitch has it and he tunes himself. Basically when I come up to a stop light/sign and a complete stop the car will drop a couple hundred RPMS, go way lean (16-17 AFR) and then pretty rich (12-13), then it stabilizes itself.

The shop you talked to is extremely high on install cost. I can't see why a shop would charge more than 10-12 hrs of shop labor, so $1200-1500.

However, Yes you can have this kit installed in a week. Its a beautiful thing. You don't NEED a new clutch, radiator, etc...

You know its crazy how HP has gotten lately. I remember in the 350z era when we made 400whp we were all going crazy, and it was awesome! Fast and fun. Now it seems if your not making 500+ its sub par...lol..

What I am getting at is that if he wants to go with the kit and some gauges that really is all you need if your ok with 7lbs of boost and taking it from 230whp to 400! Still is an insane increase. Then when you get the itch...and you will... get a better clutch and supporting mods for whatever you need. Guys are putting 450 to the stock clutch. ALTHOUGH, I wouldn't trust the csc at all.

Maybe its my E85 tune that tuned it out. Not sure. But I had that hiccup really bad with my old Utec EMS. It was annoying.

I am also on ID1000's. Could be something there as well.

Are hot starts an issue at all? Does it take a bit more cranking?

No starting issues at all. I'm convinced that the ECU is expecting crankcase gases to be recycled into the intake. By venting that PCV I think it stumbles slightly expecting a little bit of rich air that doesn't come in. Of course it could be the other direction and when the crank case goes high vacuum it sucks in a bunch of unmetered air. I'm grasping at straws and I'm not a tuner :tup:

It's very minor these days but it's still there. My idle cleaned up a ton when I pull the post-cat O2s complete out.

Are you able to keep the CEL cleared off after the O2 deletes?

It never showed up. Now in all fairness I've only been running that way for about 25-30 miles. I'm thinking my tuner removed that code when he tuned it.

I'd argue that. You're blocking off the factory radiator with an intercooler. It'll be seeing nothing but hot air now. Additional capacity is pretty necessary at that point. Water temps get hot on these cars. Also, given how much of the kit you'd have to remove to swap out a clutch, doing it before the kit goes on is the most cost-effective option if you're paying labor.

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