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phunk 10-22-2014 04:51 PM

I might post some pics tonight or maybe later in the week of some of the new parts for my 370z. Got some neat stuff, but still more on the way.... and TONS that needs to be built and fabricated now.

Finishing the new intake manifold is the first project though, then second up will be the new exhaust manifolds

BGTV8 10-22-2014 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 2992267)
Well I ordered some Carillo rods yesterday to join my CP 10:1 I have sitting around, and I located a HR engine (good bye VVEL) in florida that meets my specs for a good price... so far it looks like I will be turning it up a notch with the Z. We will still see though. I figured I should have the parts ready to go, I can still sell them for my cost or higher (surely having things ready to ship is worth a few bucks versus having to wait 4+ weeks for 10:1 CPs) if I bail out.

Still have to figure out a clutch though. I tried to contact RPS about their carbon race clutches but they havent responded. I have to find someone to work with that can build a VQ clutch that can handle some serious power.

I also have to talk to Haltech about what they can do for the 370z... with VVEL gone I can run any standalone, but I would prefer something that works with the CAN.

OH, and I am pulling my Greddy kit over the next couple weeks.. it is for sale! If I keep the car its getting much larger turbos, if I dont keep it, I obviously have no use for the Greddy kit anymore! I am working on getting a fresh set of manifolds for the Greddy kit right now since I am sure by now one of the manifolds is cracked.

Charles, I have used a Sachs twin plate solid clutch for 15 years in my 540hp (atfw) alloy V8 race engine with zero problems, and have also used a Tilton in the past with good results.

Haltech have announced their Elite series ECU which might be worth considering given it is CAN capable. Motec is top-shelf but expensive - I was on the cusp of giving the Motec research centre my car here in Melbourne back in May, but had to spend a few weeks in hospital for some remedial surgery and I've just not managed to get back to it.

phunk 10-22-2014 04:55 PM

I tried calling Haltech and they didnt seem like they thought it really made any sense to use their system in my car. They said maybe in a year or longer when/if they release a 370z specific system. Otherwise, the guy gave off the impression that I would pretty much be on my own. Also, they only have a single throttlebody driver. That would normally be OK with me and I would just build a single throttle manifold... but I need to build a VHR specific intake manifold for customers to use, so I will just use that with twin throttles.

For a clutch, whenever I finally pull my trans out, I am first going to investigate rebuilding it into an OSGiken quad disk.

98intrigue 10-22-2014 04:58 PM

You now have me beat by 4rwhp. Only if I could match your 12psi on my stock block...

Amazing results! I think I contemplated getting back into a 370Z when I read your first post.

phunk 10-22-2014 05:03 PM

You have paxton on it I assume? You can make a ton more power with it yet!

98intrigue 10-22-2014 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3008853)
You have paxton on it I assume? You can make a ton more power with it yet!

Yeah. I know the blower will support a lot more HP, but my stock bottom end won't.

phunk 10-22-2014 07:51 PM

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I'm gonna push my stock engine a little harder yet I think... We will see if I swap in the built motor before starting to tune these or not.

roplusbee 10-26-2014 08:54 AM

25Gs?

phunk 10-26-2014 01:28 PM

GTX35s :)

jwick 10-26-2014 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3012949)
GTX35s :)

:excited:

Pro4Jackster 10-26-2014 02:19 PM

Cool. Two Single-turbo kits....

Rusty 10-26-2014 02:38 PM

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Cool. Two Single-turbo kits....

No, one twin turbo kit. :eek:

Pro4Jackster 10-26-2014 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3012989)
No, one twin turbo kit. :eek:

Hello...

Hello...is this thing on.....

roplusbee 10-27-2014 04:40 AM

Now that is what I am talking about. 25G12cm2 are on par with the GT3582R. If the GTX version of the 35R is anyway better that the origional, you are definitely going to need some supporting parts.................

TopgunZ 10-27-2014 10:40 AM

Holy balls! These things are going to scream! Are you going for highest hp z ever?!

If it were me. I'd drop in the built motor before attempting anything with these. I mean, your going to have to have the motor pulled anyways. Save the headaches of doing it twice.

Plus like I've said before. If your motor lets go it could take those fresh turbines out along with it.

FPenvy 10-27-2014 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3009040)
I'm gonna push my stock engine a little harder yet I think... We will see if I swap in the built motor before starting to tune these or not.

:yum:

phunk 10-27-2014 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by roplusbee (Post 3013241)
Now that is what I am talking about. 25G12cm2 are on par with the GT3582R. If the GTX version of the 35R is anyway better that the origional, you are definitely going to need some supporting parts.................

These particular GTX will flow a bit more, but youre right the T67 25G is pretty serious, especially when you have 2 of them.

I have several supporting parts! I have a pretty unique build going on and will be excited to post most of it up here once more work as been done. At this point in time its just a pile of fancy parts. I have some cool parts to machine and fabricate over the next couple months to tie it all together.

Right now we are focusing just on the intake manifold as I have a lot of people asking for one and I also may or may not have to invest a lot of cash into it if we decide to cast more of it rather than billet or fabricated.

phunk 10-27-2014 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 3013506)
Holy balls! These things are going to scream! Are you going for highest hp z ever?!

If it were me. I'd drop in the built motor before attempting anything with these. I mean, your going to have to have the motor pulled anyways. Save the headaches of doing it twice.

Plus like I've said before. If your motor lets go it could take those fresh turbines out along with it.

My sights are set outside of the Z world. For the last 3 years I have driven what I felt was the most realistic and usable high-ish power 370z that most of my customers can relate to or will desire to have. Now I am going to risk losing some of that realistic usability and the daily driver characteristics for something competitive on a universal level and something that will start providing the real world insight I need to determine if the chassis is going to be able to keep up with my long-term goals.

jwick 10-27-2014 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3013750)
My sights are set outside of the Z world. For the last 3 years I have driven what I felt was the most realistic and usable high-ish power 370z that most of my customers can relate to or will desire to have. Now I am going to risk losing some of that realistic usability and the daily driver characteristics for something competitive on a universal level and something that will start providing the real world insight I need to determine if the chassis is going to be able to keep up with my long-term goals.

English translation...I want to make you all :drool:

BBRSpeedWorks 10-27-2014 04:40 PM

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Right now we are focusing just on the intake manifold as I have a lot of people asking for one and I also may or may not have to invest a lot of cash into it if we decide to cast more of it rather than billet or fabricated.

This is what I'm waiting for...

roplusbee 10-30-2014 07:35 AM

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This is what I'm waiting for...

:iagree:

2SOONJR 03-30-2015 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 2960845)
Just over 3 years and ~40,000 miles ago, I did my turbo install and tune. I made something like 524rwhp at 8psi. Plenty for the time being.

August 2013 I gave it another psi of boost and some more timing, and it made 586rwhp at 9.1 psi.

It really was plenty for this car. I daily drive this car. Admittedly... not as much this year because I bought a motorcycle a couple months ago and have been really enjoying it. However, the 370z is still my ONLY CAR so ya it gets driven regularly.

Well anyway... I kept seeing all you guys around here putting like 12 - 14 psi into your cars now. It really got me thinking - "what would my old lady do with 12 psi of boost?"

So tonight I went to find out.

671 RWHP
520 TQ
12.1 PSI BOOST - E85

100% Stock Engine - untouched
Greddy Twin 20G Turbo Kit w/ CJM modified wastegate setup
CJM S2SE Fuel System w/ Walbro 400 pump & ID1000cc Injectors
Greddy Dual 2.75" Exhaust
OS Giken Twin Clutch w/ RJM Pedal and Z Spd CSC
UpRev tuned by me - the only UpRev and the only E85 car I have ever tuned... so theres room for improvement!
HKS EVC6 Boost Controller
OEM GT-R Spark Plugs

I think that is everything I have done that is related to HP.

How many cars have you tuned before your own? Those are impressive numbers.

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Also, I think that you are very close to what this engine can take. I'm no expert but I've seen a couple of TTs near the 700, I think one was 681hp when the rods decided to bend. Personally I think anything close to 7 is plenty of hp. But I guess when we have that kind of power for a while we always look for more.

phunk 03-30-2015 09:44 PM

For the UpRev system, the only car I have ever tuned is this one.

Before that, I have some EMS tuning experience, although it has never been a passion of mine. I generally try to avoid getting sucked into tuning on my friends cars. I owned a Dynojet chassis dyno for several years, and I would often tune piggybacks for people, but thats hardly tuning, and I wasnt doing any reflash stuff or anything. The first standalone I ever tuned was the HKS FCON V-Pro when I did the first US install of one in my 350z to test the PnP harness for HKS USA... but that system was amazing to tune and I had the stock engine record on that 350z in 6-7 pulls. I ran that system for the duration of ownership of that car.

So my EMS tuning experience and research is probably a lot further than the average enthusiast that does not tune or study it, but compared to professional EMS tuners, or even enthusiasts that spend a lot of time studying the topic, I am worthless.

2SOONJR 03-30-2015 09:49 PM

That's still pretty awesome. How was the user interface for the uprev? Was it user friendly at all or would you recommend someone taking a class on it or at least taking a good amount of time to understand the fundamentals?

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phunk 03-30-2015 09:56 PM

Uhm... I like it but its a little confusing on some things. I believe that has to do with the Nissan software itself being somewhat confusing and possibly not entirely understood.

Its a unique tuning experience and other than being familiar with target A/F and timing figures, its not really much like tuning other software I have tuned.

I would recommend tuning your car with it NA before boosting. By starting with a boosted car on 1000cc injectors, I struggled at first to get the car running well as my first UpRev attempt.

2SOONJR 03-30-2015 10:06 PM

Thanks for those words of wisdom. I think I will try it NA first. I have read things about the VVEL being adjusted to unleash "hidden horses" that are covered up by Nissan intentionally, is there a way to adjust that timing as well? I also read it can completely destroy the engine if not done properly or even if its tampered with at all.

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phunk 03-30-2015 10:18 PM

Ive pretty much ignored the VVEL system as I could not have asked my car to run more efficiently than it already was.

If there is a version of the UpRev software that includes the ability to make VVEL system adjustments, it not the version they gave me.

I suspect there was some torque to gain in my setup by playing with the midrange timing and VVEL, but I didnt want any more torque or spool up anyway - all that would do is spin the tires more or bend a rod.

2SOONJR 03-30-2015 10:40 PM

Yeah I'm sure there is some software out there for the VVEL but seems like its not worth the hassle. Sounds like the cons outweigh the pros on that.

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KratikosG37 03-31-2015 09:40 AM

If swapping engines is something you can do in your back yard. Purchasing a stock block from a tow yard every few years maybe the way to go lol. GTX35's on stock block at 12 psi is crazy power.

CJM fuel return and 12 psi tune on 93 octane maybe my fix for a car I drive 4 times a month.:stirthepot:

2SOONJR 03-31-2015 09:43 AM

No .8 bar on a daily?

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jwick 03-31-2015 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 2SOONJR (Post 3154816)
Yeah I'm sure there is some software out there for the VVEL but seems like its not worth the hassle. Sounds like the cons outweigh the pros on that.

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UpRev allows you to tune VVEL. My tuner does it in every tune. I don't know the specifics.

phunk 03-31-2015 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3155252)
UpRev allows you to tune VVEL. My tuner does it in every tune. I don't know the specifics.

There must be a more advanced version of the software than I have, maybe a dealer/pro tuner version with more advanced features. I definitely do not have it, or if I do, I am blind!

I am not any sort of authorized UpRev dealer or anything such as that. But they were very kind in helping me get everything going perhaps since I am a vendor of some sort.

2SOONJR 03-31-2015 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3155252)
UpRev allows you to tune VVEL. My tuner does it in every tune. I don't know the specifics.

Ok thanks for the reply. I'll start looking into this more, didn't want to start looking for something nonexistent. What version do you have?
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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3155300)
There must be a more advanced version of the software than I have, maybe a dealer/pro tuner version with more advanced features. I definitely do not have it, or if I do, I am blind!

I am not any sort of authorized UpRev dealer or anything such as that. But they were very kind in helping me get everything going perhaps since I am a vendor of some sort.

Yeah it must be another version or an upgrade of some kind.

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jwick 03-31-2015 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3155300)
There must be a more advanced version of the software than I have, maybe a dealer/pro tuner version with more advanced features. I definitely do not have it, or if I do, I am blind!

I am not any sort of authorized UpRev dealer or anything such as that. But they were very kind in helping me get everything going perhaps since I am a vendor of some sort.


My tuner is a pro tuner so that could be true

2SOONJR 03-31-2015 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3155400)
My tuner is a pro tuner so that could be true

Cool I'll look into it, thanks. I do believe that is an upgraded version of the tuner program.

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phunk 04-01-2015 10:29 AM

Im not big on teasers, not anymore. Because it usually bites me in the ***. As a smaller company, I am pretty slow at new product R&D.

But I havent said much about my car lately. Today is the first nice weather day here in Chicago-area. Some may think that we all crank away hard during the down-months of the winter, but that's only partially true. Many of us eventually grow tired of it, and it starts to really slow us down and hurt our drive.

Well its going to hit 70 degrees today and I want to live! :happydance:

Cant wait to start a new thread about my car in a couple weeks and show you all what we have been up to in our spare time.

http://i.imgur.com/BZknc3P.jpg

jwick 04-01-2015 10:34 AM

CJM 370z had boost envy, problem solved...
 
:excited:

It's about time the MT guys take back the 1/4 mile record :stirthepot:

phunk 04-01-2015 11:04 AM

Not going to be a problem with the current record... Looking at the timeslips, my car already had it if had a clean pass but I failed it as a driver that day.

But the problem for us 6MTs, Cy's auto car is going to do a bit better yet when its trans isnt slipping the entire way down the track. With 600-620rwhp, a ~3400# 7AT 370z with a 1.6-1.7 60' should run about a 10.2 - 10.4.

It has every advantage... it has more gearing off the line, closer ratios to make more use of the engine power, and shifts faster than a person can.

So until I put a built motor in my car, I might have to just settle for quickest 6MT rather than quickest overall. I dont know if even 700rwhp with a 6MT is going to beat what that auto car can do in the 1/4. Looking towards the future, its probably going to remain a constant that the 7ATs are generally outperforming the 6MTs in the 1/4, but that the outright fastest cars will be 6MTs because its likely we will be exceeding the power the 7AT can handle.

TopgunZ 04-01-2015 11:47 AM

Holy Turbos Batman! I see 2 monsters sitting there. That thing is going to be nasty. :drama:

phunk 04-01-2015 12:05 PM

We are building it around those big boys as they are what I will run on my built motor and we need to make sure they fit as an option. I have been thinking about picking up a pair of smaller turbos to keep running on the stock engine for a little longer though, and also to double check fitment and see if we need to make an alternate downpipe jig for smaller turbos.


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