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mikey1600 09-22-2014 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Z&I (Post 2973466)
Thanks for the update ... I had spoken with Bobby at CIN Motorsports with my plans to upgrade my SC'r and he recommended the V-2Ti over the V-7 for my application.

He had built a car for a client with the V-7, utilizing his own custom designed and manufactured blower bracket (to reduce bracket flex) , along with his own custom designed intake manifold and piping.

I would've gone for it then and there but he wasn't ready to sell it all as a package kit citing that it wasn't perfected to his liking just yet, and therefore still under development.

http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...arger-kit.html

He also told me that the V-7 was overkill unless I (like his customer) were planning to make 1,000 hp...which I wasn't

Thats when he told me of the V-2Ti and that it would 'fit right in' to my already existing Stillen set up, with only a few tweaks needed.
It would easily make 600 to 700 hp.

He did strongly suggest the the Stillen blower bracket be braced or reinforced as it would want to flex as the boost headed up towards 15 or so.

He also recommended the Gates Green Stripe serps as well.

All this free, friendly, and informative info from a man who was in the middle of race season and knee deep in deadlines.

I trust his advice, he's a man that's been there and done that.
And the more I thought about it, the more it was the logical choice.

If he ever does come out with that kit of his and he is satisfied enough to put his personal stamp of approval on it, I just may have to 'upgrade' once more :tiphat:
Interesting! let us know how you go with the SC'er swap :D are you planning on e85 as well?

Z&I 09-22-2014 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by mikey1600 (Post 2973996)
Interesting! let us know how you go with the SC'er swap :D are you planning on e85 as well?
Will be putting it all back together hopefully starting in the next 2 weeks.
Still expecting some of the usual 'unforseen' delays along the way tho', but hopefully I will be able to get it to the track before the season closes.

I'll post when it's all finished.
No e85 in this area consistently so it will be tuned for 93.

Hope you are having fun with yours !!!

1slow370 09-23-2014 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Z&I (Post 2973466)
Thanks for the update ... I had spoken with Bobby at CIN Motorsports with my plans to upgrade my SC'r and he recommended the V-2Ti over the V-7 for my application.

He had built a car for a client with the V-7, utilizing his own custom designed and manufactured blower bracket (to reduce bracket flex) , along with his own custom designed intake manifold and piping.

I would've gone for it then and there but he wasn't ready to sell it all as a package kit citing that it wasn't perfected to his liking just yet, and therefore still under development.

http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...arger-kit.html

He also told me that the V-7 was overkill unless I (like his customer) were planning to make 1,000 hp...which I wasn't

Thats when he told me of the V-2Ti and that it would 'fit right in' to my already existing Stillen set up, with only a few tweaks needed.
It would easily make 600 to 700 hp.

He did strongly suggest the the Stillen blower bracket be braced or reinforced as it would want to flex as the boost headed up towards 15 or so.

He also recommended the Gates Green Stripe serps as well.

All this free, friendly, and informative info from a man who was in the middle of race season and knee deep in deadlines.

I trust his advice, he's a man that's been there and done that.
And the more I thought about it, the more it was the logical choice.

If he ever does come out with that kit of his and he is satisfied enough to put his personal stamp of approval on it, I just may have to 'upgrade' once more :tiphat:
soo there we go v7 confirmed working, I would rather use a unit that I KNOW will be able to make more than enough power, and pulley or restrict it down to the power i want instead of trying to beat 600-700hp out of a unit designed for 400. the v7 can come with the hd highspeed bearing set as well so it will be mucho more reliable than the v3 case pushed to double it's designed power. The moar powah you demand from the charger the more it will load the bearings and gears that just weren't designed for it. Hell you can run the v7 cogged straight from the crank to completely eliminate all belt slip.

Z&I 09-23-2014 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 1slow370 (Post 2975935)
soo there we go v7 confirmed working, I would rather use a unit that I KNOW will be able to make more than enough power, and pulley or restrict it down to the power i want instead of trying to beat 600-700hp out of a unit designed for 400. the v7 can come with the hd highspeed bearing set as well so it will be mucho more reliable than the v3 case pushed to double it's designed power. The moar powah you demand from the charger the more it will load the bearings and gears that just weren't designed for it. Hell you can run the v7 cogged straight from the crank to completely eliminate all belt slip.
Not doubting what you say re: the V-7, but there are other considerations to be made.
Bobby's bracket mounted the V-7 lower so that it would have less flex and also have sufficient clearance ... and he did configure the car with Gates green stripe serpentine belts and did not go cogged.
Again, he felt his prototype configuration wasn't perfected and he wasn't going to sell something he wasn't sure of.
So it wasn't an option and with no set date as to when it would be available he recommended the V-2 Ti that would fit right in to my existing set up.
Keep in mind I've had the stock motor blow after the V-3 Si impeller upgrade plus a 'few' other performance upgrades to keep up - at a sizable cost and with no return.
So at this point I'm happy here to get my car back together and running reliably with a reasonable power increase.
I want to get back on the horse, but need to cut my losses as well.
The more you push these cars - the more they require attention and maintenance - and the easier they can break...
Though I do plan to take it to the drag strip, Stillen put it this way; "the 370z wasn't designed to be a race car", and quite frankly, it's been digging it's heels in and making it a difficult project!
Hopefully it will all come together and I will be in the mid 11's before Christmas.
Great talking with you :tiphat:

1slow370 09-23-2014 06:36 PM
So u upgraded the v3 saw no returns except a blown motor, and the plan now is to build the motor and try upgading the v3 again to solve it? Einstien once had a famous quote about that lol best of luck tho it sucks having your car down for extended periods of time.

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Rob Ainscough 09-23-2014 08:13 PM
Does anyone ring/groove these Nissan motors to prep for FI?

Cheers, Rob.

Pro4Jackster 09-23-2014 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 1slow370 (Post 2976080)
So u upgraded the v3 saw no returns except a blown motor, and the plan now is to build the motor and try upgading the v3 again to solve it? Einstien once had a famous quote about that lol best of luck tho it sucks having your car down for extended periods of time.

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YSI trim = 1600 CFM - 1200 hp - not known if it fits, redesign odd shaped inlet or cut core support.
TI trim = 1400 CFM - 950 hp - fits, 0.25" larger inlet (hope to stretch Stillens odd intake boot and reuse.
SI trim = 1150 CFM - 775 hp - fits with no mods
SCI trim = 1050 CFM - 725 hp - comes with kit

I know you already know all of this based on your posts. But why do you recommend skipping the Ti trim? It seems like a perfect fit for a built motor Stillen Kit. It should be able to support 700 whp if you can get the Stillen framework to keep up. That is overkill for a streetcar. The fitment unknowns and cost of fitting a YSi don't seem to make sense to me. Is there a part of this equation I am overlooking?

Z&I 09-23-2014 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 1slow370 (Post 2976080)
So u upgraded the v3 saw no returns except a blown motor, and the plan now is to build the motor and try upgading the v3 again to solve it? Einstien once had a famous quote about that lol best of luck tho it sucks having your car down for extended periods of time.
More to it than that ...
Got an extra 65 whp + a flat 378 tqe curve from the V-3Si, 1000 injectors, fuel pump and Tune. (there was plenty more to the build)
That would have put me in the high 11's.
But the motor blew on deceleration the first pass.
Jury is still out as to the exact cause of the grenade.

Back to the drawing board ...
I've done as much homework as humanly possible regarding this ... there aren't a whole lot of 370's out there that are seriously drag racing...so there isn't much of a pool of experiential knowledge to draw on.
I'm NOT upgrading the V-3, but stepping up to the V-2Ti ... and it's performance specs meet my realistic goals...understood ?

Though I am not sure of the reference to Einstein here, except in the context of blindly continuing a repeated task and in hopes of obtaining a different result - which is one of the definitions of insane thinking or reasoning.
I will assure you that this is not the case here.

If you can supply a complete plan with parts and part numbers of all that is required that will allow me to install a V-7 in my car that will give more usable power, be reliable, and won't overpower the cars ability to keep it hooked up, maybe then we can talk more ...

I think tho' that we've both stated our cases here and perhaps should continue this discussion back channel for now just to keep on topic ...

1slow370 09-23-2014 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Pro4Jackster (Post 2976173)
YSI trim = 1600 CFM - 1200 hp - not known if it fits, redesign odd shaped inlet or cut core support.
TI trim = 1400 CFM - 950 hp - fits, 0.25" larger inlet (hope to stretch Stillens odd intake boot and reuse.
SI trim = 1150 CFM - 775 hp - fits with no mods
SCI trim = 1050 CFM - 725 hp - comes with kit

I know you already know all of this based on your posts. But why do you recommend skipping the Ti trim? It seems like a perfect fit for a built motor Stillen Kit. It should be able to support 700 whp if you can get the Stillen framework to keep up. That is overkill for a streetcar. The fitment unknowns and cost of fitting a YSi don't seem to make sense to me. Is there a part of this equation I am overlooking?
the v3 gear case is weak and its cfm numbers are overstated, the blower itself is meh before you even get to the crappy volute designs available for it. you run to big of a compressor to fast on a v3 and it will die eventually, the v4 has a better ratio, stronger gears, larger faster bearings and is built to be abused. i know lots of guys with v1 v2 and v3 blowers(or had lol) that the chargers have "broken in" and gotten louder cuz there bearings died. 928 mospo's main buisness is rebuilding the little **** case vortechs when guys realize they are blown. vortechs cfm numbers online are good guesses at best. there is a secret way to get a v4 to put out a torque curve at the same power level as a smaller charger that will murder the smaller charger.

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Pro4Jackster 09-23-2014 08:51 PM
Z&I:

I had almost identical results with the Si and cogs (34T/30T) on my HR. Mine was making 450hp/375tq on a mustang dyno. It made 15 psi by 6700 RPMs and held 15 psi (belt slip) to redline. It broke a rod shortly after on the dyno. After building the motor, my next step was to either try to run a 34T/28T cog setup, or swap to the Ti trim. Then experiment with IAT sensor in Intake manifold, move MAFs, cut core support and install a larger filter as close as possible to the inlet.

Pro4Jackster 09-23-2014 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 1slow370 (Post 2976184)
the v3 gear case is weak and its cfm numbers are overstated, the blower itself is meh before you even get to the crappy volute designs available for it. you run to big of a compressor to fast on a v3 and it will die eventually, the v4 has a better ratio, stronger gears, larger faster bearings and is built to be abused. i know lots of guys with v1 v2 and v3 blowers(or had lol) that the chargers have "broken in" and gotten louder cuz there bearings died. 928 mospo's main buisness is rebuilding the little **** case vortechs when guys realize they are blown. vortechs cfm numbers online are good guesses at best. there is a secret way to get a v4 to put out a torque curve at the same power level as a smaller charger that will murder the smaller charger.

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Makes sense. Are there any V1, V2, or V3 that can run the HD bearings Ive heard of? What secret, wastegate and boost controller on the charge pipe or flow restricter before the s/c inlet?

Z&I 09-23-2014 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Pro4Jackster (Post 2976173)
YSI trim = 1600 CFM - 1200 hp - not known if it fits, redesign odd shaped inlet or cut core support.
TI trim = 1400 CFM - 950 hp - fits, 0.25" larger inlet (hope to stretch Stillens odd intake boot and reuse.
SI trim = 1150 CFM - 775 hp - fits with no mods
SCI trim = 1050 CFM - 725 hp - comes with kit

I know you already know all of this based on your posts. But why do you recommend skipping the Ti trim? It seems like a perfect fit for a built motor Stillen Kit. It should be able to support 700 whp if you can get the Stillen framework to keep up. That is overkill for a streetcar. The fitment unknowns and cost of fitting a YSi don't seem to make sense to me. Is there a part of this equation I am overlooking?
Thanks for chiming in here with these specs!

1Slow's point here is that these specs are overly enthusiastic ... Much like the factory stock rating of 332 BHP is really more like 280(?)whp ...
The 280(?)whp being the more realistic when it comes to actual performance.

That being said, the Ti trim being rated at up 950 hp - actually is about 750 whp.
Still good enuff for me ... plus it will bolt right in with only having to enlarge the input piping.

Offer still stands to 1Slow' - would be willing to upgrade to the V-7 if it makes sense ... and I am willing to stand corrected.

Pro4Jackster 09-23-2014 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Z&I (Post 2976245)
Thanks for chiming in here with these specs!

1Slow's point here is that these specs are overly enthusiastic ... Much like the factory stock rating of 332 BHP is really more like 280(?)whp ...
The 280(?)whp being the more realistic when it comes to actual performance.

That being said, the Ti trim being rated at up 950 hp - actually is about 750 whp.
Still good enuff for me ... plus it will bolt right in with only having to enlarge the input piping.

Offer still stands to 1Slow' - would be willing to upgrade to the V-7 if it makes sense ... and I am willing to stand corrected.
Another thing to remember is the additional parasitic losses from the supercharger itself. A very Vortech savy member on my350z estimated he was losing an additional 10-15% to the supercharger at 17 psi. If correct, that would push the Ti's potential whp down to 600-700. Have you checked into the calculated losses when pushing the psi limits of these head units?

1slow370 09-24-2014 12:06 AM
Exactly the horsepower numbers on vortechs site are overated badly hoping the ti gets you the power or KNOWING the v7 can do it easily when pullied down is a gamble i wouldnt want to make you want to spend 2000 to find out you may need to do it again?

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Z&I 09-24-2014 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Pro4Jackster (Post 2976268)
Another thing to remember is the additional parasitic losses from the supercharger itself. A very Vortech savy member on my350z estimated he was losing an additional 10-15% to the supercharger at 17 psi. If correct, that would push the Ti's potential whp down to 600-700. Have you checked into the calculated losses when pushing the psi limits of these head units?
Yes, I have considered the parasitic loss ... it is inherent with superchargers.
That's where Tubo's have the advantage in efficiency.
According to Bobby at CINmotorsport, bottom line with all factors being considered, the T-2Ti's are good for that 600-700 hp number, so, at least on paper, I'm good to go.
I'd be happy with anything close to 600 for now.
Time will tell.
Just need to keep the belts on the pulleys @ 15-16 psi.
Thanks for turning me on to the blower bracket brace you had made by Jtrans.

I really appreciate all of this input - and now I'm really really hoping I've made the right decision!

Who knows, I may have to upgrade again if 600 doesn't quite do it....:)

Z&I 09-24-2014 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 1slow370 (Post 2976347)
Exactly the horsepower numbers on vortechs site are overated badly hoping the ti gets you the power or KNOWING the v7 can do it easily when pullied down is a gamble i wouldnt want to make you want to spend 2000 to find out you may need to do it again?
Thanks, I've tried my best to figure this all out and make an intelligent decision based on everything I've been able to find out and learn.
Starting from scratch, I've had to filter through a lot of information and advice...double checking it all again and again.

It's been a year now since first deciding to upgrade the stock Stillen kit.
Seemed a simple 2 week project initially, but has now grown in to an enormous undertaking.
It WILL be nice to drive the car again tho' !!!

mikey1600 12-24-2014 01:40 AM
So had my kit on now for a few months, next lot of upgrades are in the works; this will be done in the next 3-6 months.

stock clutch is getting smelly! so not driving it too hard lately, just the odd run here and there, waiting on my new clutch kit to arrive (probably 4-5 weeks cause of xmas/new years), getting a southbend stage 3 daily kit with the lighter flywheel etc. Will get this in, have tune double checked at another shop recently recommended to me, A/F ratios atm look a bit high, but it's safe so it's fine at the moment.

While clutch is going in or soon after, I'm waiting on some pricing back from the Australian vortech distributor who does all the work here to upgrade the impeller on the unit + changing to a slightly smaller pulley again from the 9lb stillen kit, upgrading fuel system to E85 with a CJ Motorsports kit and get it re-tuned for the E85 all at the same time.

will let you guys know when done :)

JWillis72 12-24-2014 08:22 AM
So you are going higher boost than the 9lb pulley and the impeller upgrade? You are aware this has ended in some blown motors? I'm interested to see this tried and hope it works for you.


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ANMVQ 12-24-2014 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3064557)
So you are going higher boost than the 9lb pulley and the impeller upgrade? You are aware this has ended in some blown motors? I'm interested to see this tried and hope it works for you.


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Some I think all did, Didn't they, Yes I'm in that BOOM boat :/

mikey1600 12-26-2014 02:16 AM
yeah, no one was running E85 though, were any of the blown guys running the frozenboost heat exchanger upgrade as well?

clkio 12-26-2014 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by mikey1600 (Post 3064423)
So had my kit on now for a few months, next lot of upgrades are in the works; this will be done in the next 3-6 months.

stock clutch is getting smelly! so not driving it too hard lately, just the odd run here and there, waiting on my new clutch kit to arrive (probably 4-5 weeks cause of xmas/new years), getting a southbend stage 3 daily kit with the lighter flywheel etc. Will get this in, have tune double checked at another shop recently recommended to me, A/F ratios atm look a bit high, but it's safe so it's fine at the moment.

While clutch is going in or soon after, I'm waiting on some pricing back from the Australian vortech distributor who does all the work here to upgrade the impeller on the unit + changing to a slightly smaller pulley again from the 9lb stillen kit, upgrading fuel system to E85 with a CJ Motorsports kit and get it re-tuned for the E85 all at the same time.

will let you guys know when done :)

BE VERY CAREFUL ENTERING THIS ZONE. UNLESS YOU GOT UPGRADED SHORT BLOCK, YOU ARE GOING TO BLOW UP YOUR MOTOR WITHIN DAYS. I ran 12.5 PSI on my stillen SC (UPGRADED COG, BLADES, pulleys, fuel pump) and my motor gave out after about a week.

Also ask ANMVQ, his engine in his g37 lasted three days after he did what you are planning on doing. My advise to you is unless you have a built bottom end, stay away from this idea all together.

Plz plz do your research before upgrading anything on that kit dude. If you want more power, get a twin turbo and run it on the stock engine at around 10psi, you will get more power than a SC and you wont blow up your motor. I have a built bottom end now and wish I went with a TT setup.

ANMVQ 12-26-2014 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by mikey1600 (Post 3065675)
yeah, no one was running E85 though, were any of the blown guys running the frozenboost heat exchanger upgrade as well?
I was :/ I started the frozenboost thing :). I had Injectors , pump, and the Frozenboost heat exchanger.

Chuck33079 12-26-2014 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by clkio (Post 3065698)
BE VERY CAREFUL ENTERING THIS ZONE. UNLESS YOU GOT UPGRADED SHORT BLOCK, YOU ARE GOING TO BLOW UP YOUR MOTOR WITHIN DAYS. I ran 12.5 PSI on my stillen SC (UPGRADED COG, BLADES, pulleys, fuel pump) and my motor gave out after about a week.

Also ask ANMVQ, his engine in his g37 lasted three days after he did what you are planning on doing. My advise to you is unless you have a built bottom end, stay away from this idea all together.

Plz plz do your research before upgrading anything on that kit dude. If you want more power, get a twin turbo and run it on the stock engine at around 10psi, you will get more power than a SC and you wont blow up your motor. I have a built bottom end now and wish I went with a TT setup.
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Originally Posted by ANMVQ (Post 3065703)
I was :/ I started the frozenboost thing :). I had Injectors , pump, and the Frozenboost heat exchanger.
Had either of you addressed the maf location on your builds? I'm convinced that's why Stillen kits have blown motors. Measuring air temp and density before the compressor and intercooler scares the hell out of me.

ANMVQ 12-26-2014 09:02 AM
I hadn't, An we spoke about that during my build also, I spoke to Sasha about that same thing.

Chuck33079 12-26-2014 09:10 AM
How is the ecu supposed to accurately add fuel when it only has a maf reading before the air is compressed, heated and then ran through the intercooler? It's no surprise they go "Boom" when you raise the boost.

clkio 12-26-2014 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 3065766)
How is the ecu supposed to accurately add fuel when it only has a maf reading before the air is compressed, heated and then ran through the intercooler? It's no surprise they go "Boom" when you raise the boost.
I am gone ask my tuner about this, I am running uprev maf sensors tho without frozen heat exchanger.

mikey1600 12-27-2014 10:45 PM
I don't have a built bottom end,

did you guys get anywhere with the MAF locations? any knowledge would help.

ANMVQ 12-28-2014 02:33 PM
I didnt get a chance to move mine :/

Z&I 12-28-2014 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 3065730)
Had either of you addressed the maf location on your builds? I'm convinced that's why Stillen kits have blown motors. Measuring air temp and density before the compressor and intercooler scares the hell out of me.
Hey Chuck ...

Really interested here ...
My built motor is back here in New Jersey and it's almost ready to go back in the car ...
I like your thinking here, and would really appreciate your input as far as relocating the MAF's.
I want to feel confident in that I've done everything I can properly do to the motor to prevent another disaster.
Certainly don't want to blow it up again 'fer sure.

Need to know soon :tiphat:
Thanks !

gussyturbo z 12-28-2014 10:11 PM
Hey guys now you got me thinking!! I have the frozen boost on mine and my intake plenum temps are 47 degrees. It was 45 degrees today in texas the car was running really good it seem. Is that ok? Are you guys saying that you blew your engine with frozen boost? I'm confused..

mikey1600 12-29-2014 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by gussyturbo z (Post 3067465)
Hey guys now you got me thinking!! I have the frozen boost on mine and my intake plenum temps are 47 degrees. It was 45 degrees today in texas the car was running really good it seem. Is that ok? Are you guys saying that you blew your engine with frozen boost? I'm confused..
ANMVQ had upgraded to the frozenboost heat exchanger when motor popped.

clkio was still running standard stillen heat exchanger when motor popped.

They are talking about moving the MAF's which are currently before the supercharger to a better location as the temp probably changes between where it's measured and where the air ends up entering the engine. Not sure where the best location would be though.

Anyone ran a water/meth kit also?

clkio 12-29-2014 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by mikey1600 (Post 3067545)
ANMVQ had upgraded to the frozenboost heat exchanger when motor popped.

clkio was still running standard stillen heat exchanger when motor popped.

They are talking about moving the MAF's which are currently before the supercharger to a better location as the temp probably changes between where it's measured and where the air ends up entering the engine. Not sure where the best location would be though.

Anyone ran a water/meth kit also?
I am currently working on it. I am really excited to see how much she will put down after meth as my engine is very low compression and my tuner doesn't think it will help alot with power. My engine spec
HBR performance built VQ37VHR Bore 3.7805 Stroke 3.460 Wiseco k643m96 dished 8.5:1 Pistons, Wiseco 9600 XS Rings, K1 Billet 4340 Steel H Beam connecting rods.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h1...ps485ccc00.jpg

ANMVQ 12-29-2014 07:24 AM
When I spoke to Chuck and Sasha on this the best place we talked about would be "after the SC" but there is no way to do that because Stillen goes to one intake pipe then splits at the TB's, You have to custom make in intake and there is no room for equal length pipes :/.. Unless you took off their mani and went with a ported stock one (Z1-M370) Idea tho :), you could probably make more power with 2 3inch pipes instead of the one Stillen intake pipe.

Chuck33079 12-29-2014 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ANMVQ (Post 3067634)
When I spoke to Chuck and Sasha on this the best place we talked about would be "after the SC" but there is no way to do that because Stillen goes to one intake pipe then splits at the TB's, You have to custom make in intake and there is no room for equal length pipes :/.. Unless you took off their mani and went with a ported stock one (Z1-M370) Idea tho :), you could probably make more power with 2 3inch pipes instead of the one Stillen intake pipe.
Yeah, it seems you would have to ditch everything but the supercharger and have someone make an air-to-air intercooler with a stock intake manifold.

ANMVQ 12-29-2014 08:13 AM
We talked about that also, EVOHUNTER is his screen name I thought at one time he was working with Sasha on building one, Don't remember what happened with it :/

Z&I 12-29-2014 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by clkio (Post 3067548)
I am currently working on it. I am really excited to see how much she will put down after meth as my engine is very low compression and my tuner doesn't think it will help alot with power. My engine spec
HBR performance built VQ37VHR Bore 3.7805 Stroke 3.460 Wiseco k643m96 dished 8.5:1 Pistons, Wiseco 9600 XS Rings, K1 Billet 4340 Steel H Beam connecting rods.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h1...ps485ccc00.jpg
Like that Photo :excited: gave me a few ideas.
Looks like you used to have woofers and now you have drywall... :-)

I will be installing the AquaMist water/meth injection.
I have the 9.5 CR Carillo pistons and rods - race bearings and ARP bolts.

Will be posting all of the particulars once the build is satisfactory completed.

Z&I 12-29-2014 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by mikey1600 (Post 3067545)
ANMVQ had upgraded to the frozenboost heat exchanger when motor popped.

clkio was still running standard stillen heat exchanger when motor popped.

They are talking about moving the MAF's which are currently before the supercharger to a better location as the temp probably changes between where it's measured and where the air ends up entering the engine. Not sure where the best location would be though.

Anyone ran a water/meth kit also?
A question for you'se guys in the know ...
Trying to figure this all out in my head (a very dangerous place to be I might add)

The Stillen charge tube splits at the throttle bodies ... and the difference in length between the 2 isn't all that much...shouldn't have that much affect ?

And I'm not exactly sure where the IAT is measured ... at the Stillen manifold ?

Anybody know for sure ???
Stillen are you there ??? Help ??? :tiphat:

Chuck33079 12-29-2014 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Z&I (Post 3067831)
A question for you'se guys in the know ...
Trying to figure this all out in my head (a very dangerous place to be I might add)

The Stillen charge tube splits at the throttle bodies ... and the difference in length between the 2 isn't all that much...shouldn't have that much affect ?

And I'm not exactly sure where the IAT is measured ... at the Stillen manifold ?

Anybody know for sure ???
Stillen are you there ??? Help ??? :tiphat:
IAT is measured at the MAF, so any change in charge temp after that won't be compensated for by the ECU.

Z&I 12-29-2014 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 3067833)
IAT is measured at the MAF, so any change in charge temp after that won't be compensated for by the ECU.
Thanks Chuck ...
I thought so - but thinking about this too much introduced some doubts in my mind -
So ... moving the MAF's to the charge tube after the SC'r (if possible) still wouldn't fix it all since the air still hasn't passed thru the Intercooler ?

Is this correct ? aaarrrggghhh - another dilemna

I think I may have cross coupled the AquaMist instructions in here as well.

Chuck33079 12-29-2014 12:20 PM
Correct, the maf should be after the compressor and intercooler if we want the ecu to have an accurate reading.


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