oh but i still hate you. but it is the good type of hate. E-mail me price details too if you are allowed. I got to call Sam in march to see if I can book a install date for end of may first of june. who are you getting to install yours?

I think it has been generally known in this thread that if you want over 450rwhp then go TT. I just wish a Whipple SC could fit under the hood of our Z's. I would love more torque through the entire rpm range rather then 2k and up, which is probably what will be seen with this SC.

This is still a good kit, its cheaper then a TT, will require less maintenance keeping boost, and will start producing boost sooner then the TT. I say if you need over 400-450rwhp then go TT, otherwise go supercharger.

Shumby

PM sent.

Nature of the beast with SCs I guess.

thanks for the PM's Z

WOW! It takes a stage 3 to put down 420whp?

What happened to the initial released estimations, I remember reading numbers in the 600+

It just might be. Could you explain how 5psi manifold pressure aka cyl pressure is different whether its a turbo creating the pressure or a sc creating the pressure?

I am a little confused as to how the same amount of PSI makes more power depending on what is creating that pressure. I always knew that bigger turbos had to work less because they flow more, therefore they can force MORE air into the same space more easily. Thats why a bigger turbo will have a much easier time making 40psi than a tiny one which would have to spin itself into kingdom come to generate 40psi.

However, that hardly explains anything. So please someone explain to me how "boost isnt boost".

420whp is almost 100% power increase over stock. Can we stop throwing numbers around? There's no backing to these claims. 420whp on some dynos is 350whp on other dynos too. I'm not too thrilled about someone other than the mfg coming out with some real numbers.

Are we to take these numbers seriously GTM? Its funny when numbers are released by a customer before the manufacturer.

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z eliminator did not say theses were GTM's numbers he is only speculating and said as much in his post.

You could have two compressors blowing air at the same pressure but one could be flowing twice as much air as the other.. the one flowing more air will obviously see higher hp numbers.

We are still testing with the Stage one supercharger that comes with C38-61 Trim. so i have no idea where the stage 3 came in the picture at this point .

Sam

Wow I have no life....I actually saw this post appear 10 secs ago.

GG 420 with stage 1?!?!~ OMGOMG let the speculations continue!!!!

ROFL in all serious, relax people...if they build it, we will cum. ;)

Also i do have new dyno numbers that i will be posting shortly, just need to do some cleaning on the afr's

Sam

Turbo's don't make pressure, they just blow air. The pressure that we see on our boost gage is a direct result of this blown air "building up" between the compressor outlet and the intake manifold. While different turbos have different flow capability and efficiencies, two identical engines with the same manifold pressure will have the same net flow rate into each cylinder regardless of the turbo that's being used.

When you hear about a smaller turbo falling on it's face, it typically means that it has reached or exceeded it's optimum efficiency, and you would see a decrease in the manifold pressure when this happens. A large turbo will make more power here simply because it can provide the necessary cfm to maintain the predetermined pressure level as set by the wastegate.

Keep in mind that high cfm almost always means turbo lag. Therefore the ideal setup would be the smallest turbo that would efficiently provide the necessary cfm for your target HP level. Any bigger would just increase lag with a marginal at best increase in peak power.