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martin82 11-28-2013 12:10 AM

Same here but u would need more side vents similar to Seibon ts hood

wheee! 12-18-2013 08:18 PM

This is a shot of the venting of the JP-R hood. It has side vents that come with rain guards which can be removed with push pins. The centre vent seems to sit almost OVER the radiator shroud so I am not sure if the venting will help with heat soak or not. Might vent fresh air from the front this way...

oh, and the fitment is darn near perfect. Slight gap near the hinge on the drivers side but I think I can massage that away.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/19/mu2yhuda.jpg

martin82 12-18-2013 08:23 PM

in for more pics! specially vent being past right at the radiator or not! thanks! The side vent seems to be too far forward to my liking but might work!

wheee! 12-19-2013 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by martin82 (Post 2616095)
in for more pics! specially vent being past right at the radiator or not! thanks! The side vent seems to be too far forward to my liking but might work!

I checked the placement more carefully this morning and the centre vent sits above and slightly forward of the radiator shroud. You can see the top of the shroud and a bit of the coolant overflow tank through the opening. With the front edge rubber gasket reinstalled on the hood, the air should vent from the front of the engine bay, not from the fresh air side of the shroud.

The side vents sit forward of the exhaust manifolds, but for twin turbo guys, they are ideally placed. I have no doubt they will aid with heat venting in stop and go traffic for sure, regardless of their placement.

A side note, none of the vents are visible from the drivers seat! The slope of the hood hides them. You do, however, see the slight bulge from the front hood lip which looks awesome!

:tiphat:


pic with amuse rep bumper too. You can see the vent placement better here

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/19/a4u5emud.jpg

Isamu 12-19-2013 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by dmhenderson (Post 2586529)
I'm interested but I'd definitely want black plastic(?) plugs or something in case of downpour. Put me down as someone who'd want one.

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Originally Posted by Nixlimited (Post 2586530)
I would be interested. Though who is going to be making it? Will it be a factory hood mod?

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Originally Posted by puckshaw (Post 2586566)
I'm interested too. Is it a whole hood replacement or a mod? I'm not worried about rain.

It would be a full hood replacement.
I am looking someone to make it who is reliable, and will make a quality product. let me work on a price and do a little more research.. because I have a aero kit I am trying to get produced as well

dmhenderson 12-19-2013 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Isamu (Post 2616683)
It would be a full hood replacement.
I am looking someone to make it who is reliable, and will make a quality product. let me work on a price and do a little more research.. because I have a aero kit I am trying to get produced as well

I'm definitely interested as well. Please keep me posted.

Chuck33079 12-19-2013 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dmhenderson (Post 2616753)
I'm definitely interested as well. Please keep me posted.

:iagree:

Isamu 12-19-2013 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by dmhenderson (Post 2616753)
I'm definitely interested as well. Please keep me posted.

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2616768)
:iagree:

as soon as I find a proper manufacturer to do my hood design..


if you guys buy from me, you have to like the FB page I will make :)

future370zzz 04-01-2014 03:12 PM

Any progress on the hood Isamu?

Jordo! 04-01-2014 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dmhenderson (Post 2563019)
Edit: Just want to clarify I'm looking for venting options due to my FI build. I'm looking for solutions that take the intercooler into account.

I'm not really sure whether this thread belongs in here or in the "body/exterior" forum but I figured I'd start here as I suspect I'm not alone. If a mod thinks this belongs elsewhere, please feel free to move it.

So unsurprisingly, I'm having radiant heat/heat soak issues especially when the car is pushed hard and I'm looking at more engine bay venting before I look into a bigger oil cooler/radiator/other cooling options whatever. I already have the vented fender liner from GTM so a hood scoop would be a nice way to get some air circulation going.

Thing is, I'm not crazy about the vented hood options I've seen posted here (carbon signal, seibon etc). I really don't like those diagonal vents as it kinda ruins the lines of the car - no offense intended, just my opinion.

I ran across this on my facebook feed (not my car):

http://i.imgur.com/XgYgGwe.jpg

...and it turns out this is a non-functional scoop - ugh. Is there a hood that looks like this or the old 350z vented hood style? I've been told modifying the stock hood (even with a fantastic metalworker) is a bad idea for several reasons.

Any ideas?

What's running hot? Coolant? Air intake? Oil?

How hot is hot?

If we're talking a 10-15* change, especially at idle, you might get away with just venting, but really, you'd want to have air ducted to an actual heat exchanger, and not just a place to allow ambient heat to escape. For example, typically with a top mount IC, the heat changer is mounted close to the hood, so you will commonly see a large duct to allow air to pass over the heat exhanger -- it's not simply designed to vent off ambient heat (although I believe a few older Camaros used to have a backwards facing scoop for venting...).

Also, pure ductwork venting/cooling is trickier to get right than you might think -- if you are in a low pressure area on the car, the air might not flow where you had intended.

Meaning, I think you should not bother with the hood and instead identify which heat exchanger is insufficient and replace that.

On that note, if you are using an A2A intercooler, you might consider switching to A2W. Then you can mount the heat exchanger wherever you want, duct accordingly and take advantage of the considerable heat absorption of water.

Another option is to have a water spray set-up or use water/alcohol injection, which will also absorb tons of heat.

luigi90210 04-01-2014 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 2763868)
What's running hot? Coolant? Air intake? Oil?

How hot is hot?

If we're talking a 10-15* change, especially at idle, you might get away with just venting, but really, you'd want to have air ducted to an actual heat exchanger, and not just a place to allow ambient heat to escape. For example, typically with a top mount IC, the heat changer is mounted close to the hood, so you will commonly see a large duct to allow air to pass over the heat exhanger -- it's not simply designed to vent off ambient heat (although I believe a few older Camaros used to have a backwards facing scoop for venting...).

Also, pure ductwork venting/cooling is trickier to get right than you might think -- if you are in a low pressure area on the car, the air might not flow where you had intended.

Meaning, I think you should not bother with the hood and instead identify which heat exchanger is insufficient and replace that.

On that note, if you are using an A2A intercooler, you might consider switching to A2W. Then you can mount the heat exchanger wherever you want, duct accordingly and take advantage of the considerable heat absorption of water.

Another option is to have a water spray set-up or use water/alcohol injection, which will also absorb tons of heat.

OPs not talking about intercoolers, hes talking about engine bay air temps

unless there is a wind tunnel to test a scoop, vents are the only real way to remove heat from the engine bay, the scoop will work, but how well no one knows

martin82 04-01-2014 06:50 PM

looks like the WC z's are running VIS hoods, i'll end up picking up one of these, based on vent placement this looks ideal so far

https://scontent-b-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/...52692623_n.jpg

JWillis72 04-01-2014 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by martin82 (Post 2764090)
looks like the WC z's are running VIS hoods, i'll end up picking up one of these, based on vent placement this looks ideal so far

https://scontent-b-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/...52692623_n.jpg

I agree, I have a carbon creations Hot Wheels hood that is working great but the two vents closest to the windshield are useless, those look right to me.

wstar 04-01-2014 08:24 PM

Those look like the SFR Enterprises cars! I got to stare at one in detail for a couple of hours last year while it was parked at an event down here in Houston and pick over all the details to steal ideas for my amateur stuff :) The hood I saw was at the time was indeed made by VIS, but the one I saw then didn't quite look like any known VIS production model for our car. The ones in your pic look like the VIS Terminator.

martin82 04-01-2014 08:32 PM

yes looks to be 100% the vis terminator, I'll have pricing tomorrow from a friend that will hook it up!

2009-2012 Nissan 370Z 2Dr Terminator Carbon Fiber Hood

Jordo! 04-02-2014 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by dmhenderson (Post 2563019)
Edit: Just want to clarify I'm looking for venting options due to my FI build. I'm looking for solutions that take the intercooler into account.

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Originally Posted by luigi90210 (Post 2764069)
OPs not talking about intercoolers, hes talking about engine bay air temps

unless there is a wind tunnel to test a scoop, vents are the only real way to remove heat from the engine bay, the scoop will work, but how well no one knows

Er... I'm pretty sure the OP noted that he was taking his intercooler into account... :confused:

Isamu 04-02-2014 04:21 AM

I am deployed again, so I have made no progress... Anyone can use my design... as long as if you sell it, I get a cut :p

Nixlimited 04-02-2014 09:50 AM

How do the VIS hoods compare to Seibon in terms of quality and fitment? My one huge holdup on a CF hood is the damn pins. I think they are hideous.

Chuck33079 04-02-2014 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Nixlimited (Post 2765061)
How do the VIS hoods compare to Seibon in terms of quality and fitment? My one huge holdup on a CF hood is the damn pins. I think they are hideous.

Aerocatch. If you've got to use pins, they are by far the least visually offensive.

theDreamer 04-02-2014 10:02 AM

Fitment can be a tough call, I have a seibon and it was fine. Took the shop about an hour to fit it and line it up 100%. Many with the VIS hood have no problems either.
Also, you do not really need hood pins, as our cars have locks on it and, with the seibon, it has slots for all 3. Now if you get into road racing you might consider it as a safety requirement but not needed on the street.

Chuck33079 04-02-2014 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 2765093)
Fitment can be a tough call, I have a seibon and it was fine. Took the shop about an hour to fit it and line it up 100%. Many with the VIS hood have no problems either.
Also, you do not really need hood pins, as our cars have locks on it and, with the seibon, it has slots for all 3. Now if you get into road racing you might consider it as a safety requirement but not needed on the street.

I thought the issue was the locks pulling out of the slots over time from stress?

theDreamer 04-02-2014 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2765097)
I thought the issue was the locks pulling out of the slots over time from stress?

Probably so, but not unless you are really pushing the car like on a track.
Is an item to just add to the check list to check when you pop the hood and do an inspection.

Nixlimited 04-02-2014 10:38 AM

Anyone know if the VIS has slots for all the locks?

wstar 04-02-2014 01:25 PM

I don't think the VIS does, since their marketing material mentions hood pins. What I like even better than the looks/functionality of the Aerocatch is the QuickLatch: Low Profile

ANMVQ 04-02-2014 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Nixlimited (Post 2765061)
How do the VIS hoods compare to Seibon in terms of quality and fitment? My one huge holdup on a CF hood is the damn pins. I think they are hideous.

have you tired to see if Alex and the guys at Autokits X make a AK hood. My fitment was 100% and they use the stock equipment.

ANMVQ 04-02-2014 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by wheee! (Post 2616088)
This is a shot of the venting of the JP-R hood. It has side vents that come with rain guards which can be removed with push pins. The centre vent seems to sit almost OVER the radiator shroud so I am not sure if the venting will help with heat soak or not. Might vent fresh air from the front this way...

oh, and the fitment is darn near perfect. Slight gap near the hinge on the drivers side but I think I can massage that away.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/19/mu2yhuda.jpg

Whos hood is that?? That's Autokits hood?

martin82 04-02-2014 01:58 PM

i'm going on a guess, but the vis should also have the bolt holes to transfer the 3 latches like my seibon did. The reason why they say hoodpins are a must is prob for liability reasons.

On my seibon Ts hood I did install hood pins but was going too ended up selling it. I tested it at 155mph for a total of about 1-2 hrs total no issues. And 140's also no problem at the track, but I always felt uncomfortable not having the pins on, so when I order the VIS I'll install aerocatch latches or similar.

theDreamer 04-02-2014 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by martin82 (Post 2765538)
i'm going on a guess, but the vis should also have the bolt holes to transfer the 3 latches like my seibon did. The reason why they say hoodpins are a must is prob for liability reasons.

On my seibon Ts hood I did install hood pins but was going too ended up selling it. I tested it at 155mph for a total of about 1-2 hrs total no issues. And 140's also no problem at the track, but I always felt uncomfortable not having the pins on, so when I order the VIS I'll install aerocatch latches or similar.

That is what I always told, on the street it should be fine though there are stories of people having problems. Though for the track and safety it is worth the look to jump over to hood pins for safety & security.

wheee! 04-02-2014 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ANMVQ (Post 2765532)
Whos hood is that?? That's Autokits hood?

That's my JP-R hood from Exteme Dimensions. Very good fit overall but a small height issue at the back hinges that the bodyshop says they can fix. It goes in Monday for paint...

ANMVQ 04-02-2014 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by wheee! (Post 2765573)
That's my JP-R hood from Exteme Dimensions. Very good fit overall but a small height issue at the back hinges that the bodyshop says they can fix. It goes in Monday for paint...

HMM?? You know autokits makes the same hood ?

Nixlimited 04-02-2014 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ANMVQ (Post 2765522)
have you tired to see if Alex and the guys at Autokits X make a AK hood. My fitment was 100% and they use the stock equipment.

I loved that hood. But I was not aware of anyone making it. Thought it was a one-off.

ENT-Z 04-02-2014 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by martin82 (Post 2765538)
i'm going on a guess, but the vis should also have the bolt holes to transfer the 3 latches like my seibon did. The reason why they say hoodpins are a must is prob for liability reasons.

On my seibon Ts hood I did install hood pins but was going too ended up selling it. I tested it at 155mph for a total of about 1-2 hrs total no issues. And 140's also no problem at the track, but I always felt uncomfortable not having the pins on, so when I order the VIS I'll install aerocatch latches or similar.

I have also had no issues with the stock latches on my carbon creations hot wheels hood. I did want to do the aerocatch latches but the problem is the hood is too thick in the location the latches would install so it just wouldn't work. I may try to find some normal hood pins but agree they are an eyesore...

ANMVQ 04-03-2014 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Nixlimited (Post 2765783)
I loved that hood. But I was not aware of anyone making it. Thought it was a one-off.

I had mine for 3 years now , Just sold it, I think AK was the first to make it and then people stated copying it. Not sure , But I know I was only the 2nd G with it 3 years ago when I got it ( the other car was their show car).. I do a lot with them and really love their stuff. I'm installing their CF side skirts on my sedan Saturday morning:eekdance: cant wait!!

Nixlimited 04-03-2014 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ANMVQ (Post 2766954)
I had mine for 3 years now , Just sold it, I think AK was the first to make it and then people stated copying it. Not sure , But I know I was only the 2nd G with it 3 years ago when I got it ( the other car was their show car).. I do a lot with them and really love their stuff. I'm installing their CF side skirts on my sedan Saturday morning:eekdance: cant wait!!

Do they have a website with product listings, including that hood? How would I go about finding out?

ANMVQ 04-04-2014 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Nixlimited (Post 2767330)
Do they have a website with product listings, including that hood? How would I go about finding out?

They don't advertise the hood on their site, but its here, Funny that's my old car for the hood, the BLK G.



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wheee! 05-15-2014 09:38 AM

As promised, finished hood...

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/15/mevahe9u.jpg

More pics soon.


Sent from Canadia

Nixlimited 05-15-2014 09:58 AM

That paint looks great!

future370zzz 05-15-2014 12:59 PM

^^More pics please! :yum: Were they able to get a close match to the Black Cherry? What make and model of hood? How are the under hood temps?

wheee! 05-15-2014 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by future370zzz (Post 2819947)
^^More pics please! :yum: Were they able to get a close match to the Black Cherry? What make and model of hood? How are the under hood temps?

The black rose is a perfect match. The car only came out of the shop last night so no data yet on temps. The venting does work though. The hood is from extreme dimensions and is the JP-R model. Full frp

future370zzz 05-15-2014 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by wheee! (Post 2820003)
The black rose is a perfect match. The car only came out of the shop last night so no data yet on temps. The venting does work though. The hood is from extreme dimensions and is the JP-R model. Full frp

Hmm, does the hood latch look sturdy? I was thinking about cutting into the stock hood with nismo rs vents. Nice to know that they were able to match the paint.


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