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Nut_N_Much 02-21-2013 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dansracing (Post 2149792)
Stillen gear arrived today. SC kit and a 25 row oil cooler. Intake tube goes off to the powder coater tomorrow. I am going to do a little paint work on the intake plenum while waiting. Hope to get it in the shop for installation by late next week.

Congrats!! You will enjoy it!! :tiphat:

Kirkster 02-21-2013 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Osiris (Post 2137911)
Nor am I racing the car. I've had the kit for 2.5 years now and my stock clutch is going out. I plan to replace clutch and most definitely the CSC. I'm currently experiencing slipping under heavy acceleration. I've already had the clutch fluid boil on me and turn black. had to fully drain and refill. But this is most likely due to the CSC going out....it is plastic after all!

So, if you have this kit or any FI, i'd recommend a new clutch & CSC in your near future.

I think my clutch is on the way out also... Have not had any problems with the CSC and I drive it like I stole it every time I start the car.

After 20k on the stock clutch it seems to be going.

dansracing 02-21-2013 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Kirkster (Post 2178145)
I think my clutch is on the way out also... Have not had any problems with the CSC and I drive it like I stole it every time I start the car.

After 20k on the stock clutch it seems to be going.

Thats not bad man. Im leaving the stock in till I burn it up.

irondoc 02-22-2013 05:32 AM

I generally do not keep my cars much past 100K miles, but I have had a single clutch go to 117K (without signs of wear) at which point I sold the car (1998 BMW 540i).
I have seen people do things with a clutch that make it clear they have no idea how a clutch works. A friend of my parents would go through the clutch in her 320 very 10k miles.
I have no doubt that the massive increase in the power of our FI Z's puts the stock clutch under increased stress, however, I also believe that the life span of a clutch will be most determined by how well you use the clutch (clutch spends as little time as possible "partially" engaged, and as much time as possible either all the way "in", or all the way "out"), rather than how hard you push the car.
So, my Z now has 3200 miles 1500 of which are with the Stillen SC. I am very curious to see how many miles I can get out of the stock clutch. I will not be babying the car. I drive it with traction control off most of the time and am continually amazed at how easy it is to leave rubber on the pavement, without actually trying to do so.

Sh0velMan 02-22-2013 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by irondoc (Post 2178829)
I generally do not keep my cars much past 100K miles, but I have had a single clutch go to 117K (without signs of wear) at which point I sold the car (1998 BMW 540i).
I have seen people do things with a clutch that make it clear they have no idea how a clutch works. A friend of my parents would go through the clutch in her 320 very 10k miles.
I have no doubt that the massive increase in the power of our FI Z's puts the stock clutch under increased stress, however, I also believe that the life span of a clutch will be most determined by how well you use the clutch (clutch spends as little time as possible "partially" engaged, and as much time as possible either all the way "in", or all the way "out"), rather than how hard you push the car.
So, my Z now has 3200 miles 1500 of which are with the Stillen SC. I am very curious to see how many miles I can get out of the stock clutch. I will not be babying the car. I drive it with traction control off most of the time and am continually amazed at how easy it is to leave rubber on the pavement, without actually trying to do so.

My philosophy has always been "clutch out whenever possible" just because putting wear on a TOB (or CSC in our case.. ugh) for no reason by holding in the clutch doesn't make any sense.

I think the #1 thing that people do to wear out clutches prematurely is engine braking improperly.

Rather than double clutching to match engine revs/input shaft to the lower gear, they just slap it in gear and ease the clutch out, forcing the friction material to bear the brunt of bringing engine revs to where they should be...

I have friends that do this to their cars all the time and I shudder every single time.

irondoc 02-22-2013 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan (Post 2178872)
My philosophy has always been "clutch out whenever possible" just because putting wear on a TOB (or CSC in our case.. ugh) for no reason by holding in the clutch doesn't make any sense.

I think the #1 thing that people do to wear out clutches prematurely is engine braking improperly.

Rather than double clutching to match engine revs/input shaft to the lower gear, they just slap it in gear and ease the clutch out, forcing the friction material to bear the brunt of bringing engine revs to where they should be...

I have friends that do this to their cars all the time and I shudder every single time.

No argument clutch out is better than clutch in. Best place for your left foot when you are not actually changing gears is on the dead pedal.
Clutch wear comes from clutch plates sliding against each other. I have seen people stop on a hill at a red light and keep the clutch half engaged with a little bit of throttle to prevent the car from rolling backwards. They seemingly have no clue as to the damage they are doing.

AJ 370ZSC 07-07-2014 12:51 PM

i have the kit, and it is reliable as long as you dont kill it all the time, i am wondering what the best tune is for it, i have the tune from stillen on it and it runs very rich. so i was wondering if a better tune would deminish that and get rid of the check engine light? and since stillen is very conservative, if a good tune would feel faster?
Thanks guys!

theDreamer 07-07-2014 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AJ 370ZSC (Post 2886549)
i have the kit, and it is reliable as long as you dont kill it all the time, i am wondering what the best tune is for it, i have the tune from stillen on it and it runs very rich. so i was wondering if a better tune would deminish that and get rid of the check engine light? and since stillen is very conservative, if a good tune would feel faster?
Thanks guys!

Not to bad mouth Stillen, but all canned tunes are pretty meh to bad, GTM's canned tunes are not very good either. They are a means to get the car running, very conservative to protect the kit/engine, and that is about it.
So for a better tune, I would look locally at dyno tuners in your area (you are looking for uprev tuners). They can usually fix anything software wise wrong, so running lean, CEL, etc. are able to be improved upon along with giving the setup a little more kick while still protecting it.

JWillis72 07-07-2014 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AJ 370ZSC (Post 2886549)
i have the kit, and it is reliable as long as you dont kill it all the time, i am wondering what the best tune is for it, i have the tune from stillen on it and it runs very rich. so i was wondering if a better tune would deminish that and get rid of the check engine light? and since stillen is very conservative, if a good tune would feel faster?
Thanks guys!

The tune on my car is very conservative and I gained a ton of power over the Stillen tune. My car didn't come to life until it had a custom tune.

AJ 370ZSC 07-07-2014 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 2886596)
The tune on my car is very conservative and I gained a ton of power over the Stillen tune. My car didn't come to life until it had a custom tune.

are you running rich with it? how much WHP and WTQ do you have? and if you dont mind sharing how much you paid for the custom tune?

JWillis72 07-07-2014 02:18 PM

It was around $500. It's 406 whp and 302 tq but on the Stillen tune it I think it was 340whp. The car not only makes more power it just runs better in every way. I hated it on the Stillen tune and was mad as hell at one point but UpRev tuning fixed all of the problems. On the track the thing is a blast now!


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JWillis72 07-07-2014 02:24 PM

$300 of that $500 was for the UpRev license.

My car is a little rich now but nothing like the caned tune. On the Stillen tune it was ridiculously rich. It blew giant smoke rings on the dyno with the caned tune.

ANMVQ 07-07-2014 02:52 PM

Looked like mine, My car on the Stillen tune made 342WHP( I made 300 WHP 233WTRQ bolted) Custom tune made 412WHP and 300WTRQ

AJ 370ZSC 07-07-2014 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 2886667)
$300 of that $500 was for the UpRev license.

My car is a little rich now but nothing like the caned tune. On the Stillen tune it was ridiculously rich. It blew giant smoke rings on the dyno with the caned tune.

thanks bud! and i feel like you would get better gas milage not running as rich correct?

JWillis72 07-07-2014 03:14 PM

Only if you can stay out of the gas! You didn't boost your car for milage but if you are married it might be a good sell.


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AJ 370ZSC 07-07-2014 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 2886715)
Only if you can stay out of the gas! You didn't boost your car for milage but if you are married it might be a good sell.


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this is true! but better gas milage would be nice at about $5.99 per gallon over here!

nomodsjk 07-07-2014 05:40 PM

I have a Stillen supercharger and love it! Not the tune tho. Got a custom tune from r /t tuning in Lansdale PA and got 423 at the wheels and 325tq. I have the 9lb pulley tho and that's on 10 lbs of boost. Also have every other part that Stillen makes for a 370z including test pipes and no cats because I live in West Virginia where we have no emissions so no worries there

AJ 370ZSC 07-07-2014 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by nomodsjk (Post 2886861)
I have a Stillen supercharger and love it! Not the tune tho. Got a custom tune from r /t tuning in Lansdale PA and got 423 at the wheels and 325tq. I have the 9lb pulley tho and that's on 10 lbs of boost. Also have every other part that Stillen makes for a 370z including test pipes and no cats because I live in West Virginia where we have no emissions so no worries there

did you go out to Pennsylvania for the tune or can they send you a custom tune in the mail? :S

chrisgordillo 07-08-2014 04:55 AM

I have 415whp and 310wtq at 86 degrees dyno. I get about 15.5 mpg in the city. Custom tune by Zfever in Tampa.

theDreamer 07-08-2014 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by AJ 370ZSC (Post 2886992)
did you go out to Pennsylvania for the tune or can they send you a custom tune in the mail? :S

I would advise not to do a mail tune or etune as this will basically be the same as the stillen tune, maybe marginally better.
Your two best options are to find a tuner locally or close enough by you are ok with traveling and leaving your car for the day. The second option is to have a tuner remote to your car, so basically you need to get your car on a dyno and a tuner can remote into a laptop and make the adjustments as needed while the shop runs the car on the dyno locally.

nomodsjk 07-08-2014 01:51 PM

I went to PA for the tune and it added 50 hp at the wheels more than the Stillen tune. Definitely worth the 3 hour drive

irondoc 07-14-2014 12:46 PM

Just runs
 
I have 13K on my 2013 Z now and roughly 10K on the Stillen SC. My dyno numbers are available earlier in this thread.
Gotta say despite a rough start the last 9k miles have been essentially seamless.
The car just runs, as reliable as ever, ridiculously powerful, loads of fun. Very happy with the upgrade.

diego@vossen 07-25-2014 02:20 PM


ANMVQ 07-26-2014 08:22 AM

Can you stop with the pics LOL , man!! Looks AWSOME Diego !

Chuy 07-26-2014 10:54 AM

Ive had my kit for a month, LOVE it. I dont know how you guys are getting such terrible gas mileage. I get 20-23 city and 48-50 on highway. I dont boost much only when I find someone stupid.

Chuck33079 07-26-2014 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuy (Post 2909106)
Ive had my kit for a month, LOVE it. I dont know how you guys are getting such terrible gas mileage. I get 20-23 city and 48-50 on highway. I dont boost much only when I find someone stupid.


Are you basing your mpg off the readout on the gauge cluster? It's not accurate after you change injectors.

diego@vossen 09-04-2014 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisgordillo (Post 2887370)
I have 415whp and 310wtq at 86 degrees dyno. I get about 15.5 mpg in the city. Custom tune by Zfever in Tampa.

I am actually thinking about visiting them next weekend. Would love to hear more feedback from your previous experience.

DEpointfive0 09-04-2014 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuy (Post 2909106)
Ive had my kit for a month, LOVE it. I dont know how you guys are getting such terrible gas mileage. I get 20-23 city and 48-50 on highway. I dont boost much only when I find someone stupid.

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2909154)
Are you basing your mpg off the readout on the gauge cluster? It's not accurate after you change injectors.

Definitely :shakes head:

bernbad89 01-09-2016 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by diego@vossen (Post 2952567)
I am actually thinking about visiting them next weekend. Would love to hear more feedback from your previous experience.

What kind of exhaust do you have with the SC?

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bernbad89 01-09-2016 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisgordillo (Post 2887370)
I have 415whp and 310wtq at 86 degrees dyno. I get about 15.5 mpg in the city. Custom tune by Zfever in Tampa.

What kind of exhaust for the SC?

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BOLIO 671 01-16-2016 03:20 AM

The Stillen kit out of the box is designed to go with a stock exhaust....you can use and aftermarket 2.5 inch exhaust with TP's or HFC's(you brand of choice) but it would require a custom tune.....these kits are known to run better on a custom tune.

EVOHUNTER 01-16-2016 09:20 AM

Can someone explain this to me, my Water to Air kit only put down 312 Wheel torque.

After looking at my dyno sheet, after the A2A kit, I made 356 wheel torque.

Same dyno, same tuners, Ecutek instead of uprev.

RadioFlyer 01-16-2016 10:36 AM

I'd chalk that up to cooler intake temps and removing the intercooler from the manifold. Whether that heat exchanger is efficient or not, it's a big restriction compared to an empty intake manifold.

BOLIO 671 01-16-2016 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by EVOHUNTER (Post 3389710)
Can someone explain this to me, my Water to Air kit only put down 312 Wheel torque.

After looking at my dyno sheet, after the A2A kit, I made 356 wheel torque.

Same dyno, same tuners, Ecutek instead of uprev.

Sub'd......Is ur A2A kit the one u had made by Sasha @ BP? Any increase in HP? Change in timing?

JWillis72 01-16-2016 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by EVOHUNTER (Post 3389710)
Can someone explain this to me, my Water to Air kit only put down 312 Wheel torque.



After looking at my dyno sheet, after the A2A kit, I made 356 wheel torque.



Same dyno, same tuners, Ecutek instead of uprev.


I'm not sure why but that doesn't surprise me. My car is make over 60 less whp but it's making more torque than it ever has.


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Chuy 01-17-2016 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2909154)
Are you basing your mpg off the readout on the gauge cluster? It's not accurate after you change injectors.

Since thread is back, no I'm doing the math. I barely got into the gas.

TopgunZ 01-17-2016 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuy (Post 3390225)
Since thread is back, no I'm doing the math. I barely got into the gas.

Lol. That's funny. Bro, if your getting 50mpg then never ever ever sell your car. If you do I'll buy it so I can sell it back to nissan so they can copy the v6 that got 50mpg. Then ill buy Nissan stock.

370Z JT 01-17-2016 11:39 AM

Lol at 50mpg

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FernDiggidy 09-02-2016 10:05 AM

Lot's of great information in this thread. Thank you all

Lunar-Eclipse 09-04-2016 12:17 AM

I thought this would be a good place to add my two cents. I just got my car back about a week ago after having the Stillen supercharger rebuilt.

About a month ago I started noticing the supercharger was getting louder. Since I had changed the oil about 1500 miles back I knew that wasn't the issue. But I checked everything anyway. Oil was clean and level was spot on. Belts looked okay. The pulleys didn't seem to have any wobble, etc. I wrote it off to my OCD and my imagination until about a week later where it went from slightly louder to what sounded like metal rubbing against metal. I determined the noise was coming from the supercharger itself and not the pulleys. :eekdance:

I parked it and took it to the shop that had installed the kit a few years prior. They confirmed by suspicions. They suspected one or more of the internal bearings were going bad. I had researched rebuild options before taking it to the local shop and their rebuild estimates where higher so I had them send the supercharger to 928 Motorsports to do the job. I called 928 beforehand and found them very knowledgeable. I did their standard rebuild. Their 1 week turn around time and rebuild cost were spot on. No surprises. I got the car back a little over a week ago and it runs like new. It may be my imagination but the supercharger feels better than new. I swear it's pumping out more power. But I haven't dynoed it to confirm.
928 Motorsports - Vortech® Supercharger Rebuild Services

Relevant specs of my kit:
46K on the car. 44K on the supercharger kit.
Oil changed every 5k.
Stock kit apart from 775cc FIC injectors.
Making about 420HP and 330TQ at the wheels.
Daily driven, never seen a track.


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