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ZSIZZLE 09-25-2012 07:47 PM

Im my opinion unless this guy will knows nothing about big builds or new builds they take time, there are unforeseen hiccups and glitches along the way ,just the way it works! to cancel when the car is running makes no sense to me!!

Mr.Squeeze 09-25-2012 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ZSIZZLE (Post 1931913)
Im my opinion unless this guy will knows nothing about big builds or new builds they take time, there are unforeseen hiccups and glitches along the way ,just the way it works! to cancel when the car is running makes no sense to me!!


I agree with this 100% why get so close and just throw in the towel even if it took longer that expected. If it was me I just couldn't get 90% done and pull the plug no matter what.

spawn350 09-25-2012 11:28 PM

Sam,

I am not going to go on and on for pages with you. I do apologize for getting the date of receipt wrong for my car, and should have checked. You are correct that the car was delivered in early April and not early March. I also went back and forth on what kit I wanted BEFORE I shipped my car to you. You contacted me in the beginning of April to ask me what my "wish list" for the car was and didn't contact me again until the end of May when you sent me a $30,000 invoice (attached). However, please explain these questions:

1. Why would I send you a car in April to sit there before you even sent me an invoice for labor or the additional cost of the kit (that you didn't disclose till May 23rd) ? The answer is: I was led to believe that the installation was free and the car was being worked on and the kit was ready by the time the car was there.

2. Why did you tell me the car would be done on June 7th (see attached PDF)? This is in line with you telling me the car would be done at the end of April when it was first shipped out.

3. If you are in the right, why did you refund $5,000 to me? Surely you could have found another person willing to jump on this.

4. In what state is it legal to waive sales tax? Can you show proof that you paid sales tax on this order?

5. Why would I have wanted a twin supercharger if other options provided more power for less cost and risk?

6. If you didn't express cash-flow issues why did you ask me if you could process my initial refund of $5000 several days in the future of the agreement for refund that we made?

7. Why am I at the mercy of your uninstall to get a refund now? You have the car and the parts correct? Can I drive the car?

8. Why wasn't the car ready on Sept. 7th with either the twin SC or twin turbo per the terms YOU agreed to? The reason I didn't have plans to be there was because I had intel that the car was not close to being ready.

9. Do you know what the daily loss-of-use rate is in CA?

10. Do you know what extortion really is?

11. Since June 7th, what contacts have you made with me to update me?

12. How could you have done any work to the car by June 7th when the kit wasn't ready until months later?

13. Why was my quote so much higher than the price you quoted on FB?

I have had work done on cars and custom bikes built before - sometimes taking over a year. I know that projects often run late. However, I have never been outright lied to, ripped off, jerked around, and neglected in this manner. This whole situation could have been smooth and enjoyable with clear communication, honesty, and correctly set expectations. Now it is a complete mess.

All - I am not trying to "extort" money or anything else from Sam. I had loss of use of my daily driver due to deception, miscommunication, and project mismanagement. The daily loss-of-use rate in CA is $50 per day. I requested $6,000 which was less than what I am entitled to. I have been paying for the car, as well as insuring it while it was there. I was in a rental car for 2 months while I waited for this car to be done based on the timeline that was set forth by Sam. I cancelled the project because the terms of our agreement had been breeched and a complete lack of faith that it would ever get done and/or work well. I have had a slew of PMs coming my way as well as chance encounters telling me of their terrible experiences with GTM.

Vichtz 09-25-2012 11:52 PM

Nope, not reading that one...

Rusty 09-25-2012 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Vichtz (Post 1932478)
Nope, not reading that one...

Yea, you did. Don't lie. LOL :D

blackonorange 09-26-2012 12:23 AM

Jesus Christ, 30 grand

king12sky 09-26-2012 12:37 AM

pocket burned!! me oh my! not good. Greddy FTW.. LOL!

Trips 09-26-2012 02:53 PM

This was was moved from GTM Performance Engineering: VQ37VHR Twin Supercharger System-First Look

Osiris 09-26-2012 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by blackonorange (Post 1932568)
Jesus Christ, 30 grand

no sh*t! Just buy a freaking GTR and be done with it!!

show2nite 09-26-2012 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Osiris (Post 1933701)
no sh*t! Just buy a freaking GTR and be done with it!!

DAMM! 30 GRAND, Holy Smoke. :barf:

Mr.Squeeze 09-26-2012 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Osiris (Post 1933701)
no sh*t! Just buy a freaking GTR and be done with it!!



I think what drives this cost up a lot is the labor building thes VQ's are very expensive. I have a built motor with a TT kit and I am not even close to that but I saved a lot of money in other area's.

blackonorange 09-26-2012 04:10 PM

They built his engine to?

marrim 09-26-2012 04:59 PM

What's the sales tax on 30 grand? :stirthepot:

And do fries come with that?

Flyboy 09-26-2012 05:02 PM

This is just sad.

It seems to happen often that Someone comes on here and Complains about GTM...

GTM, I have wanted a Kit from you guys, but the record isn't looking good.

I wanted to order one about a year ago, when The post came out about the guy that bought a BRAND NEW kit and got a USED kit..

That stopped me back then.

atx370z 09-26-2012 05:33 PM

When **** like this happens, it makes baby Jesus cry.

I am sympathetic to both sides of the transaction as from what I can tell seems like nothing short of a HUUUGE lack of communication from both parties and not necessarily anyone being a pain in the *** or trying to rip someone off....

When in doubt, take it to Judge Judy. :D


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