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tomnavone 11-04-2010 11:57 PM

Im curious what our numbers will be with the eighth tune. Like everyone has said before the only way to get decent numbers out of this kit is to custom tune it. Which i know now but not what stillen advertised as a turn key. The only person getting stillens "turn key" numbers is RCZ which he has custom with lots of supporting mods and the original pully. Everyone that has customed tune their kit is still no where near what stillen advertised. JUst seems kinda shady to me and i feel ripped off.

tomnavone 11-05-2010 12:06 AM

Im going to stillen to get a dyno it seems to add a good 30 - 40 hp to your numbers.

weiboy718 11-05-2010 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by tomnavone (Post 796867)
Im curious what our numbers will be with the eighth tune. Like everyone has said before the only way to get decent numbers out of this kit is to custom tune it. Which i know now but not what stillen advertised as a turn key. The only person getting stillens "turn key" numbers is RCZ which he has custom with lots of supporting mods and the original pully. Everyone that has customed tune their kit is still no where near what stillen advertised. JUst seems kinda shady to me and i feel ripped off.

sigh, this is why i didn't want to post my latest update. i knew you will get upset one way or another.

weiboy718 11-05-2010 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by tomnavone (Post 796882)
Im going to stillen to get a dyno it seems to add a good 30 - 40 hp to your numbers.

look Tom, i simply don't care about what kind of numbers i'm making, i got over that **** and just as long as my car drives fine i don't really care if it's making 410 or 375 period.

tomnavone 11-05-2010 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by weiboy718 (Post 796885)
sigh, this is why i didn't want to post my latest update. i knew you will get upset one way or another.

no worries man its been a long battle with stillen for both of us. CUSTOM TUNE! Its the only way



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Originally Posted by weiboy718 (Post 796890)
look Tom, i simply don't care about what kind of numbers i'm making, i got over that **** and just as long as my car drives fine i don't really care if it's making 410 or 375 period.

After eight tunes and almost five months i dont care about the numbers as much as my car just being drivable. If i could do it all over again i wouldnt.

I bought this kit as a somewhat inexpensive upgrade compared to turbo and also more reliable than a turbo and with a simple flash tune i could get awesome numbers like the stillen test car with their tune that advertised in their press realease

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Originally Posted by Kyle@STILLEN (Post 458798)
The tune that the car comes with will be 99.9% dialed in however some people will want to get an extra one or two horsepower and maybe adjust their a/f a bit. However, the tune itself will be good from day one and won't need to be re-tuned later on.

Weiboy and myself are now on tune eight 5 months later and the only way for this kit to work is to custom tune so their goes your warranty and stillens off the hook. I just feel cheated and theirs nothing i can do about unless i want to give stillen $1000 back as a restocking fee to return it

wishihadnav 11-05-2010 11:22 AM

the problem is that you guys are on tune#8 and it still doesnt drive very well...detonation of any kind wouldn't be acceptable imo...please just go and get a custom tune like RCZ and be done with it..

JB-370z 11-05-2010 11:35 AM

Engine knocking
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Knocking (also called knock, detonation, spark knock, pinging or pinking) in spark-ignition internal combustion engines occurs when combustion of the air/fuel mixture in the cylinder starts off correctly in response to ignition by the spark plug, but one or more pockets of air/fuel mixture explode outside the envelope of the normal combustion front. The fuel-air charge is meant to be ignited by the spark plug only, and at a precise time in the piston's stroke cycle. The peak of the combustion process no longer occurs at the optimum moment for the four-stroke cycle. The shock wave creates the characteristic metallic "pinging" sound, and cylinder pressure increases dramatically. Effects of engine knocking range from inconsequential to completely destructive. It should not be confused with pre-ignition (or preignition), as they are two separate events.




Abnormal combustion
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When unburned fuel/air mixture beyond the boundary of the flame front is subjected to a combination of heat and pressure for a certain duration (beyond the delay period of the fuel used), detonation may occur. Detonation is characterized by an instantaneous, explosive ignition of at least one pocket of fuel/air mixture outside of the flame front. A local shockwave is created around each pocket and the cylinder pressure may rise sharply beyond its design limits. If detonation is allowed to persist under extreme conditions or over many engine cycles, engine parts can be damaged or destroyed. The simplest deleterious effects are typically particle wear caused by moderate knocking, which may further ensue through the engine's oil system and cause wear on other parts before being trapped by the oil filter. Severe knocking can lead to catastrophic failure in the form of physical holes punched through the piston or head (i.e., rupture of the combustion chamber), either of which depressurizes the affected cylinder and introduces large metal fragments, fuel, and combustion products into the oil system. Hypereutectic pistons are known to break easily from such shock waves.

Detonation can be prevented by any or all of the following techniques: the use of a fuel with high octane rating, which increases the combustion temperature of the fuel and reduces the proclivity to detonate; enriching the fuel/air ratio, which adds extra fuel to the mixture and increases the cooling effect when the fuel vaporizes in the cylinder; reducing peak cylinder pressure by increasing the engine revolutions (e.g., shifting to a lower gear, there is also evidence that knock occurs more easily at low rpm than high regardless of other factors); increasing mixture turbulence or swirl by increasing engine revolutions or by increasing "squish" turbulence from the combustion chamber design; decreasing the manifold pressure by reducing the throttle opening; or reducing the load on the engine. Because pressure and temperature are strongly linked, knock can also be attenuated by controlling peak combustion chamber temperatures by compression ratio reduction, exhaust gas recirculation, appropriate calibration of the engine's ignition timing schedule, and careful design of the engine's combustion chambers and cooling system as well as controlling the initial air intake temperature. Knock is less common in cold climates. As an aftermarket solution, a water injection system can be employed to reduce combustion chamber peak temperatures and thus suppress detonation.

weiboy718 11-05-2010 12:57 PM

I think it's our fuel over here. I might wanna try using some Octane booster and see if that helps.

Regardless of the minor knock I'm having the car is running well, it doesn't drive like crap as others have stated. As you can see Stillen is getting very close in wrapping up their tuning issues cuz their tunes are getting better one after another. I have no complaints on Stillen's customer services whatsoever. I'm able to reach someone anytime of the day or night. Giving them an A+ in my part and thanks to Josh@Stillen for hooking me up with the AP Racing BBK. Them bad boys brakes very good!

Chris@FsP 11-05-2010 02:09 PM

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LateralG'z 11-05-2010 04:28 PM

I just want the torque. my HP is great, need more TQ please. I want the 345lbs not everybody's 300 including mine.

christian370z 11-05-2010 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by weiboy718 (Post 797572)
I think it's our fuel over here. I might wanna try using some Octane booster and see if that helps.

Regardless of the minor knock I'm having the car is running well, it doesn't drive like crap as others have stated. As you can see Stillen is getting very close in wrapping up their tuning issues cuz their tunes are getting better one after another.

They should account for the octane you will see in CA, which should be perfectly easy since they are located in the heart of CA to begin with and deal with our 91 octane gas every day. It should not detonate or knock regardless of the fuel you fill it with, granted you should fill it with the highest octane available to you in my opinion.

weiboy718 11-05-2010 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by christian370z (Post 798100)
They should account for the octane you will see in CA, which should be perfectly easy since they are located in the heart of CA to begin with and deal with our 91 octane gas every day. It should not detonate or knock regardless of the fuel you fill it with, granted you should fill it with the highest octane available to you in my opinion.

I always fill it with 91 Octane. Nothing less! THey're getting close to fixing it

christian370z 11-05-2010 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by weiboy718 (Post 798235)
I always fill it with 91 Octane. Nothing less! THey're getting close to fixing it

Very nice, is this supposed to be the final tune #9 at this point?

weiboy718 11-06-2010 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by christian370z (Post 798377)
Very nice, is this supposed to be the final tune #9 at this point?

i really hope so!

Fezzik 11-06-2010 12:40 AM

Dont they use more ethanol in CA as well?

OKC370Z 11-07-2010 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ITOzann (Post 792740)
:ugh2::ugh2: it's all about pimpin and dyno queen numbers! :p


OP have you gotten a custom tune or are you running the stillen reflash?

I'm running Rev. 6 from Stillen. Like everyone else R7 was a mess, not sure what happened there but it did not work right at all. I'm pretty happy with R6 so I'm sticking with it. I just got a revision (not sure which one) from my installer and will try it when I get the chance. I've been out of town all last week and have plenty to catch up on.

OKC370Z 11-07-2010 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd (Post 793701)
Totally agree... And a SC Z would bend my Z over a guard rail with no prob... But the price does not justify the added power. TT will deff be my choice in the future (hopefully in about a year or two) dont tell the gf LOL.

It does if you can afford it and don't mind paying for it. Total cost of the car is under $50K with Stillen kit and has more power than a stock C6 Corvette. Not everyone is driving a 450 hp Z and there a lot of Vettes out there.

OKC370Z 11-07-2010 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by toner123 (Post 796660)
I have a few questions to the OP that I would like him to follow up on.

I know you mentioned about the slight knock and how it went away when you fueled with 101 octane and it mixed with the 91 octane and it went away. There fore after that you said you try to fill with 93. After you filled with 93 did you notice if the knock went away or was it still present?

Also I was wondering if you plan on bringing it to stillens attention about the starting issue(if we really want to call it that) to see if they can adjust your fuel trim for starting? Like I said this is a easy fix and I think you should notify them of it and get it corrected. Just for the sake of being, after that it will be perfect. Please keep us informed.
Frank

Yes, after the track day I used 93 in my next full tank and the knock was gone.

The installer (Failsafe) has brought it to the attention of Stillen and I just received a new tune from Stillen along with a follow up email from Josh. I have been out of town and have not uploaded the tune yet. Once I do I will put some miles on the car an then provide Josh and Failsafe with feedback. Once I have solid information to share I will do so.

I am hoping my issues with this tune are gone and the drivability and power is still there, particularly the low end torque that dissapeared with R7.

kevin8086 12-16-2010 04:16 PM

Updates?


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