What I meant was that Im not surprised that you don't want to give numbers yet because you have some loose ends to tie. Seems like a lot of you guys have some finishing touches to put on your kits. No problem with that, but why do all of you have to change your kit after getting it?

I'm tired of the whole Stillen/GTM bs and over it so its all the same to me, figure might as well be helpful. I dont think that you guys are not going to be able to run the LTHs on that size unit. You might be able to port it and port the plumbing to get a bit more flow out of it, but IMO its not going to be enough to really make use of those LTH. Seems to me that the stage 1 kit is designed to be a stage 1 kit...go figure?

I think some of you would be better off running the stock headers. Either way, best of luck to you GTM kit owners.

The kit is not changed it is the headers/cats people want to change.
That is part of modifying ones car though, you get product X and you want to try something new and different with it.

Thank you!!

It seems like theres a war going on between GTM SC owners and Stillen SC owners, both are hiding their flaws to show they're superior which in turn benefits the vendors and hurts the community. I really wished we were more honest with our reviews and less biased.

Oh agreed, but whats the point of waiting to post results of product X when you've made it into product Y by changing it. In other words, you dont want to post results of the original kit as it came, you're waiting until you change things?



Anyway, I understand what You mean... I've been scheming to get 8psi at 2500rpm all the way through to redline steady. Just don't know if its possible yet.

That is the reason I am tempted to just rip the LTHs off for the time and go with what the kit is meant to be. No hassles, no testing, it will just work.

Yeah definitely don't blame you. You always get to a point where you just want to be able to turn the car on and off and not worry about anything else.

Sam no one is hiding GTM flaws there are non. the kit preformes exactly as it was advertized. The only things that are changing is part to get the SC to work with after market parts that the kit was not designed for nor advertized it would work with.

would like to know what exactly you think us GTM guys are hiding? All my numbers are out there and can be seen. Nothing to hide I posted everything and answered all questions asked.



Dreamer DON'T TAKE THE LTH'S OFF. I really want this to work out screw what other think. I'll paypal you $5 to help out the development process.

I dont think I have once hid anything from anyone here...the truth is, the kit has not changed from X to Y. I actually asked to have the proto intake pipe sent to me but it was agreed that it takes a rediculous amount of time to re-produce them by hand. Hence why casting is such a cost effective solution. All thats being done is reducing the amount of material inside the pipe to be as effective as the ptype was. I could have been running my kit but fortunatly I have a spare car and I am waiting patiently.

If something significant was being changed I would have been one of the first to inform the community. But the truth is, not even Sam could have predicted the casting company to create such a problem for him. Design is the same, functionality should be the same, the only unfortunate thing is the wait...basically if the casting company didnt screw up their would have been alot more kits running around already.

Either way, i'm excited to finally be able to continue with the install and provide the info others have been waiting for...by the end of this week if all goes well.

So now we're not allowed to post in threads of things we don't have? Give it a break will you?

I understand about the castings Danny. **** happens sometimes that you cant control when you send parts out to get made, no matter how much you plan for it or how clear you are with instructions. People always seem to find a way to screw it up.

i dont own either kit but im leaning toward the GTM...seems like the only "issue" was some high boost taper which has been identified n resolved..Sams' advertised HP claims are also consistent with the product..seems like a no brainer to me.

I think the question is if we put a smaller pulley on the setup will the unit be out of its efficiency range? If yes, then the LTHs need to go with a larger unit, if no then we might be able to see some great power gains.

< ----- still waiting on a dyno of a bone stock 6speed 370z with GTM kit on 8psi with all numbers being disclosed including DA, type of Dyno, etc.


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should happen within a couple weeks..

thought the yellow Z in the press release was a stock 6 speed. was it not?

I like how everyone thinks Sam is scewing the dyno numbers. this aint true i was there for every dyno run.