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SmoothZ 06-05-2010 09:08 AM

I don't know about your finances, but I would think expenses like maintenance costs, insurance coverage, etc. would be astronomical and add to the sticker shock of having an R8 or GT3. Don't get me wrong, I would give a testicle to own a GT2 or GT3 but I'd have to seriously reconsider it because of those pesky maintenance costs.

Endgame 06-05-2010 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Phimosis (Post 563154)
Hey Spearfish and Tius: What are you guys doing your residencies in? I'm a radiologist, finished my training in 2006. When I first finished residency I bought a 2006 Corvette with the z51 suspension. Great performance for the price. In 2009 when it had 55,000 miles on it, it was showing it's age and was time for a new car. I was considering a used Gallardo, used 911 turbo or ZR1 in the low 100k range. I did the math though and it adds up like this: $2,000 a month payment + high insurance with roughly $1,500 a month going to interest payment. Then you get almost $1,000 a month in depreciation. Your total cost of ownership is between $2,500 and $3,000 a month once you go to resell your car. It's also expected that you drive cars like that for 3,000 miles a year to keep the depreciation and insurance down. Being fresh out of residency, I had lots of items on my wish list, like a house, new furniture, electronics, travel, dates with future trophy wife, etc. Then you get used to spending $1,500 on bottle service in vegas and trips to Honolulu on less than 7 days notice. The money goes fast.
After long deliberation, I got a 370z because it made sense: not too expensive, not many other people have them, looks great, handles great, nice interior. After suspension, tires and bolt on induction upgrades the 370z is a fantastic and fun car. It just needs a little more power. I knew when I bought it that forced induction would be coming. We are so close to forced induction now that it is the perfect time to own a 370z!
So the trade off is: do you want to live in a shack and have a GT3 in the garage, or live in a pimp house on the golf course and drive a turbo 370z?

Agreed. EXCELLENT breakdown of the facts.

Zsteve 06-05-2010 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SmoothZ (Post 564528)
I don't know about your finances, but I would think expenses like maintenance costs, insurance coverage, etc. would be astronomical and add to the sticker shock of having an R8 or GT3. Don't get me wrong, I would give a testicle to own a GT2 or GT3 but I'd have to seriously reconsider it because of those pesky maintenance costs.

Dont play if you cant pay. Obviously it takes money to have and maintain those cars and people with that kind of money dont care as its like us buying a honda finance wise.

SmoothZ 06-05-2010 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 564602)
Dont play if you cant pay. Obviously it takes money to have and maintain those cars and people with that kind of money dont care as its like us buying a honda finance wise.

:rolleyes:

spearfish25 06-05-2010 11:49 AM

Did they supercharge the V8 or the V10? A European Car Magazine article had a twin turbo V8 R8 that put down more power than the V10. Now do it to the V10...oh baby!

Supergoji 06-05-2010 02:41 PM

lol, that last part looks my speedo when i rip it haha.

CGMobile370Z 06-05-2010 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 564639)
Did they supercharge the V8 or the V10? A European Car Magazine article had a twin turbo V8 R8 that put down more power than the V10. Now do it to the V10...oh baby!

They do:

Heffner Audi

http://www.undergroundracing.com/

Went to the Miami mile a few weeks ago and the Underground Racing Twin Turbo Gallardo Superleggera was insane!

spearfish25 06-05-2010 04:49 PM

Well, this will make you want a GT3 for sure...! I wish we could find a vid of pros doing this with 370Zs :).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEOKck7WWvU

SmoothZ 06-05-2010 08:25 PM

Watching a vid like that makes me wonder what went wrong with the USA and our distaste for racing in general.

Brazilbro 06-05-2010 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SmoothZ (Post 565043)
Watching a vid like that makes me wonder what went wrong with the USA and our distaste for racing in general.

I blame Rap music!

antennahead 06-05-2010 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazilbro (Post 565157)
I blame Rap music!

:icon18: :iagree: Oh, I think rap can take the blame for a lot more than just that :p

Reaper42 06-06-2010 03:25 PM

Get a GTR, its like a bigger, badder, 370z. You'll be happy

Kastley85891 06-06-2010 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 564885)
Well, this will make you want a GT3 for sure...! I wish we could find a vid of pros doing this with 370Zs :).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEOKck7WWvU

You got a point - my Wife and kids loved that on LOUD!!!

Tius 06-07-2010 08:48 PM

i'm finishing my intern year in internal medicine. applying for cardiology fellowship this year. I think endgame makes a good point. I got my z at the beginning of intern year and even with it being a fairly affordable sports car, its still a big chunk of each month's salary. Having a nice car is great, but being able to live in a nice place and eat what I want to eat, go where I want to go when I want to go is nicer.
Traveling, having nice clothes, having furniture, etc. all around is a more pleasant life than having a kickass car and sitting at home staring at it.

AK370Z 06-07-2010 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Phimosis (Post 563154)
Hey Spearfish and Tius: What are you guys doing your residencies in? I'm a radiologist, finished my training in 2006. When I first finished residency I bought a 2006 Corvette with the z51 suspension. Great performance for the price. In 2009 when it had 55,000 miles on it, it was showing it's age and was time for a new car. I was considering a used Gallardo, used 911 turbo or ZR1 in the low 100k range. I did the math though and it adds up like this: $2,000 a month payment + high insurance with roughly $1,500 a month going to interest payment. Then you get almost $1,000 a month in depreciation. Your total cost of ownership is between $2,500 and $3,000 a month once you go to resell your car. It's also expected that you drive cars like that for 3,000 miles a year to keep the depreciation and insurance down. Being fresh out of residency, I had lots of items on my wish list, like a house, new furniture, electronics, travel, dates with future trophy wife, etc. Then you get used to spending $1,500 on bottle service in vegas and trips to Honolulu on less than 7 days notice. The money goes fast.
After long deliberation, I got a 370z because it made sense: not too expensive, not many other people have them, looks great, handles great, nice interior. After suspension, tires and bolt on induction upgrades the 370z is a fantastic and fun car. It just needs a little more power. I knew when I bought it that forced induction would be coming. We are so close to forced induction now that it is the perfect time to own a 370z!
So the trade off is: do you want to live in a shack and have a GT3 in the garage, or live in a pimp house on the golf course and drive a turbo 370z?

:iagree: .

Spear, Audi R8 is my pick. The car looks absolutely Stunning! Everytime I saw one, I drooled all over. It's just the full package IMO. You can take it to the track and drive sunday on a 5 hour roadtrip on highway. I am not sure if I will have a car fund of $140,000 but if I did, I would buy the Audi R8 in a heartbeat. Those LED headlights = :drool: EVERY SINGLE TIME! :tup:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1224/...d8e2ce8599.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkgD-Pepc1o
"...This is very possibly the BEST CAR I have ever driven .. " - Jeremy Clarkson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaENG1vt6-Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4CPBfpnye0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqT4UqpMTC4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a8KXNRm_q4


P.S. BTW, I had a long hour and half discussion/youtube video watch session with my friend alefcole about this thread and we both came to the conclusion AUDI R8! ;)

spearfish25 06-07-2010 09:31 PM

Yeah AK,

It's one sexy beast. I've loved the R8 since the day I first saw it.

antennahead 06-07-2010 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AK370Z (Post 567370)
:iagree: .

Spear, Audi R8 is my pick. The car looks absolutely Stunning! Everytime I saw one, I drooled all over. It's just the full package IMO. You can take it to the track and drive sunday on a 5 hour roadtrip on highway. I am not sure if I will have a car fund of $140,000 but if I did, I would buy the Audi R8 in a heartbeat. Those LED headlights = :drool: EVERY SINGLE TIME! :tup:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1224/...d8e2ce8599.jpg



P.S. BTW, I had a long hour and half discussion/youtube video watch session with my friend alefcole about this thread and we both came to the conclusion AUDI R8! ;)

You and I are in total agreement here AK, this is my car of choice if money no object as well, just the total package................ of course I'd have to get the factory stereo upgrade as well, the whole package rocks :tup:

B1nks 06-07-2010 09:57 PM

ROFL @ this guy, pretty sure we were talking about a GT3 RS which would be a more comparable vehicle since they're both N/A and in closer price comparison. Thanks for the input on the Porsche Carrera GT since that's even CLOSE..fail. Also I put in that same sentence that you made bold lettering that I really like Porsche so I don't know why you would come at the post as if I said otherwise by trying to prove how good some Porsches are.


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Originally Posted by mrcardio (Post 557489)
No Porsche is faster than an R8?

I'm pretty sure the Porsche GT2/ RS will rip the R8 a new one.

Porsche GT2 RS vs Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI - FastestLaps.com

Nordschleife: GT2 RS: 7:18 R8: 7:44

Carrera GT? No problem

Porsche Carrera GT vs Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI - FastestLaps.com

The New 911 Turbo is quicker in a straight line and probably around track but there hasn't been enough test to actually prove anything yet.

Regardless, the Audi R8 isn't faster than any Porsche.

The Nissan GT-R? It recently lost to the new Porsche 911 Turbo in a Road & Track comparison. Not because of it's "numbers" but because it's a far better "drivers car". And yes, they took price into account.

Track numbers don't tell the full story.


AK370Z 06-07-2010 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by antennahead (Post 567418)
You and I are in total agreement here AK, this is my car of choice if money no object as well, just the total package................ of course I'd have to get the factory stereo upgrade as well, the whole package rocks :tup:

:tup: such an amazing car. It's not all about speed and 1/4 mile. It's about the look, the performance, the wow factor - the whole package! I think Audi R8 offers that :tup:


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Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 567382)
Yeah AK,

It's one sexy beast. I've loved the R8 since the day I first saw it.

I know the first few years out of residency can be a little tough because of the piling debt. But if you have the oppurtunity (as a Urologist, you def do ;) ) to get this car, please do. Remember you'll only live once and you actually want to enjoy it in your prime NOT when you're 55 years old.

Zsteve 06-08-2010 04:34 PM

spyder R8

http://carsportals.com/images/AudiR8Spyder.jpg

370Zsteve 06-08-2010 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 555461)
So the day is approaching that I'll be ending residency and making some serious coin. Given that my wife is stopping my fantasy of moving to Florida and having a sweet sportfishing boat, I'm looking at alternatives that will keep me happy here in Chicago. So I need some thoughts from you guys.

Build your client base before you spend money on anything, Doc. The economy sucks; MD's my age that I know have been quitting their Practice cuz they can't take the Medicare/Medicaid nightmare any more. Just my 2 cents.

lando76 06-09-2010 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 555535)
The Porsche would, but think of the cash you could bank if you held on to the Z for a while and just added a SC. Pad your pockets even more then reevaluate what you want to do a year down the road.

amen to this man. Congrats on the residency. I know you want the High dollar sports car and I definately believe you deserve every bit of it with your schooling. But you are a smart man ( hence the Doctor) just relax and see what the first year is like in your new profession and hulk up the Z. It will be twice as nice knowing your smoking those High coin cars and the expression they will give you will be worth 100 GT3's. Then when the dust settles go out and splurge. (then sell your Z to me for like $10k that would be greeaaaattt!)

mrcardio 06-09-2010 11:58 PM

How about actually driving an Audi R8 and Porsche GT3 and then go from there? You can look at spec sheets, lap times, 0-60 times, etc all day / night until you're blue in the face, what’s it accomplish? Does your livelihood depend upon you winning races or are you looking for something you truly love to drive? The later can’t be answered by just looking at the spec sheet. If your idea of fun is basically just beating expensive cars get a used EVO (preferably a 9), delete the wing, big turbo/ tune, supporting modifications. Now you have a true sleeper. It all comes down to what you want but to make an informed decision you’d need to take some test drives.

Pat@SMM 06-11-2010 08:59 AM

I went out lapping earlier this week with my boss and his 2010 GT3 RS at our local track.
Calabogie Motorsports Park

He was lapping 15 seconds on average faster per lap than I was!! Even if I ran with a big power adder and slicks it would be tough to gain that much time. I'd almost have to strip my car down and turn it into a track car only as opposed to a daily driver.

AK370Z 06-16-2010 12:15 AM

Hmmm .. I'm not sure who closed the thread. I'm guessing OP. I did clean this thread up. I'll leave it up to you if you want to open it back up.

BTW, here's another R8 WIN! :tup: :tup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC39PNxUkT0

spearfish25 06-16-2010 08:58 AM

Ok, back open for business. AK, I did close it as it was spiralling southward quickly before your touchup. Thanks.

m4a1mustang 06-16-2010 09:00 AM

I still think you should save cash! I'm thinking you should be in a position to put away at least $4000 a month after taxes into savings. That's nice. :D

spearfish25 06-16-2010 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 579271)
I still think you should save cash! I'm thinking you should be in a position to put away at least $4000 a month after taxes into savings. That's nice. :D

That is very nice too. I think my plan is going to be to build the Z at a leisurely pace and buy a CTS-V for daily driving given it's a bit more family friendly.

m4a1mustang 06-16-2010 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 579276)
That is very nice too. I think my plan is going to be to build the Z at a leisurely pace and buy a CTS-V for daily driving given it's a bit more family friendly.

That's a nice plan.

Cash is king, I tell ya. Best feeling in the world is knowing there's a **** ton of CASH in your bank accounts.

AK370Z 06-16-2010 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 579276)
That is very nice too. I think my plan is going to be to build the Z at a leisurely pace and buy a CTS-V for daily driving given it's a bit more family friendly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 579277)
That's a nice plan.

Cash is king, I tell ya. Best feeling in the world is knowing there's a **** ton of CASH in your bank accounts.

:iagree: too. Nothing like having extra cash money saved up in your bank. I know many doctors who drive beat up POS cars, not sure why (as a matter of fact, I know a Radiologist who drives a old 96 Toyota Corolla :ugh2:). That's IMO is ridiculous. What you're doing is not a bad idea. Driving a nice sports car for yourself (most likely will be supercharged and nicely tuned) and then have a nice family sedan like CTS-V (one of only GM cars I will drive) or BMW M3 sedan. I love the CTS-V interior :drool:

http://www.auto-power-girl.com/high-...-v-2009-19.jpg

JB-370z 06-16-2010 05:46 PM

D@m that is nice AK. Bet that piano black gets nasty real quick.

Zsteve 06-16-2010 09:09 PM

The caddy interrior almost looks too busy.

1slow370 06-17-2010 03:24 AM

if there weren't too many buttons it wouldn't be a cadilac, only problem for me is that i refuse to drive a slushbox anymore does it come with a 6-speed?

Valentino 06-17-2010 12:02 PM

nice choice spearfish25

mrcardio 06-17-2010 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370 (Post 581208)
if there weren't too many buttons it wouldn't be a cadilac, only problem for me is that i refuse to drive a slushbox anymore does it come with a 6-speed?

Yes

Phimosis 06-17-2010 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by AK370Z (Post 580350)
:iagree: too. Nothing like having extra cash money saved up in your bank. I know many doctors who drive beat up POS cars, not sure why (as a matter of fact, I know a Radiologist who drives a old 96 Toyota Corolla :ugh2:). That's IMO is ridiculous. What you're doing is not a bad idea. Driving a nice sports car for yourself (most likely will be supercharged and nicely tuned) and then have a nice family sedan like CTS-V (one of only GM cars I will drive) or BMW M3 sedan. I love the CTS-V interior :drool:

Haha! One of my radiologist colleagues drives a '98 Camry with a missing hubcap. The hubcap has been missing for the 3 years I worked with her! OMG. I'm sure she's got mad money though.

On the CTS-V, either get in a group that offers you a car as part of the employment package or do some consulting or per diem work that gets paid as 1099 income rather than as W-2 income. Then you can get the CTS-V on lease and write it off as well as a fraction of your mortgage or rent for your home office. Better yet, Find a CPA with a good reputation for being...well....creative.... then pay him for a one hour consultation to get advice on what to buy/lease to maximize your tax benefits, then start spending that cash!

For myself, I have a Toyota yaris as my daily driver and the 370 as my weekend car. Because my cost of living is low, I sits on big piles o' cash. Took my car to Stillen in Orange County yesterday and dropped it off to get the supercharger, lightened flywheel, clutch, canards and splitter installed. After install, tax and whatnot it's $9,500. Nice to write a check for the total, not stress over it and not worry that I might blow the engine and need a whole new vq37. If you own an R8 or GT3 it'll run what.... $30,000 for a new engine?

spearfish25 06-17-2010 06:54 PM

Excellent advice, Phimosis (appropriate name for my profession as well). You're the second person who has recommended the 1099 route for the tax benefits. Will definitely find a way to make that happen.

I've found there are three types of doctors. 1) Those who drive shitty cars because they don't know better. 2) Those who drive shitty cars only to the hospital so they stay under the malpractice radar and keep their nice rides at home. 3) Those who drive their Maserati to the hospital because they just don't give a f*%&.

Oh, and I demand many many videos after your SC is installed. I'm still waiting for RCZ to post some shortly!

The SC will come for me. Right now my agenda is Hotchkis sways, custom oil cooler, Stillen power steering cooler, and spacers. Should keep me busy for the next weekend or two :)

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Originally Posted by Phimosis (Post 582394)
Haha! One of my radiologist colleagues drives a '98 Camry with a missing hubcap. The hubcap has been missing for the 3 years I worked with her! OMG. I'm sure she's got mad money though.

On the CTS-V, either get in a group that offers you a car as part of the employment package or do some consulting or per diem work that gets paid as 1099 income rather than as W-2 income. Then you can get the CTS-V on lease and write it off as well as a fraction of your mortgage or rent for your home office. Better yet, Find a CPA with a good reputation for being...well....creative.... then pay him for a one hour consultation to get advice on what to buy/lease to maximize your tax benefits, then start spending that cash!

For myself, I have a Toyota yaris as my daily driver and the 370 as my weekend car. Because my cost of living is low, I sits on big piles o' cash. Took my car to Stillen in Orange County yesterday and dropped it off to get the supercharger, lightened flywheel, clutch, canards and splitter installed. After install, tax and whatnot it's $9,500. Nice to write a check for the total, not stress over it and not worry that I might blow the engine and need a whole new vq37. If you own an R8 or GT3 it'll run what.... $30,000 for a new engine?


TreyUT 06-18-2010 12:52 PM

Nice thinking spearfish! That caddy is definitely for day to day leisurely drives.

Hate to bust all your bubbles but those doctors that drives POS to work is BS-ing you. My sister and her husband own an optometry business. She owns and runs the business and he is the doctor. He drives a 1990 blue ext chevy s-10 and she drives a 2003 honda minivan to work. Haha. She told me they do it because they don't want their employees and everyone to know their business. Sitting at home in their garages are also a 2010mercedes coupe, a 2007 audi coupe, and a 2008 lexus suv. :tup:

daleks 06-18-2010 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Phimosis (Post 582394)
On the CTS-V, either get in a group that offers you a car as part of the employment package or do some consulting or per diem work that gets paid as 1099 income rather than as W-2 income. Then you can get the CTS-V on lease and write it off as well as a fraction of your mortgage or rent for your home office. Better yet, Find a CPA with a good reputation for being...well....creative.... then pay him for a one hour consultation to get advice on what to buy/lease to maximize your tax benefits, then start spending that cash!

I'm not sure what you mean by writing off your CTS-V lease payments as a business expense. You can't write-off 100% of your lease payments and then use it 5 days out of the week for non-business related activities. You can deduct the miles when you drive from job site to job site (home office to client's office) and a portion of vehicle expenses (maintenance), but that's it. Only if the vehicle is a true work vehicle (shop show car, work truck, etc.), then you can put it on a depreciation schedule.

A good CPA isn't just someone who figures out how to fudge your Schedule C, but someone who will be able to defend you if you get audited. I've been consulting for the past three years and have gone through a lot of this myself. Find a good CPA and follow their advice.

mrcardio 06-18-2010 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TreyUT (Post 583397)
Nice thinking spearfish! That caddy is definitely for day to day leisurely drives.

Hate to bust all your bubbles but those doctors that drives POS to work is BS-ing you. My sister and her husband own an optometry business. She owns and runs the business and he is the doctor. He drives a 1990 blue ext chevy s-10 and she drives a 2003 honda minivan to work. Haha. She told me they do it because they don't want their employees and everyone to know their business. Sitting at home in their garages are also a 2010mercedes coupe, a 2007 audi coupe, and a 2008 lexus suv. :tup:

Not everyone who makes good money spends it on cars believe it or not.


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