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Red370 05-30-2010 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kastley85891 (Post 556270)
500 WHP just to make it to that threashold ;-)
400 WHP is fun but you always want more
300 WHP is so yesterday lol

Build the Z and piss some people off

:iagree:

you could always add a second fancy car later, how many supercharged or TT'ed Z's exist currently? how many R8's and GT3s are on the streets? nuff said.

Zsteve 05-30-2010 02:16 PM

If you get an R8 or the GT3 then you have a very nice car with very nice power and wont have to worry about warranty and aftermarket FI issues which will come with any aftermarket FI. So if money permits get the R8 or GT3. The last time I was at the Nissan dealership there was a GTR there that they guy payed cash for then sent it out to get all kinds of upgrades, bigger turbos was one of them. He was there for a leak in one of the turbo lines or something, which he has to pay for.

Kastley85891 05-30-2010 02:20 PM

GT's blow anyways, even track spec GT3's lol - SRSLY though, GT3RS is one of the best cars out there for track use ;-)

Id still mod the Z as I can no way afford one.... sob

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alvinmathew88 05-30-2010 02:27 PM

GT2 RS? Then you'd be unstoppable!

Kastley85891 05-30-2010 02:30 PM

GT2RS with this plate....
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/DSC02126.jpg

frost 05-30-2010 02:38 PM

If I could afford a gt3, you guys would never see my ass again :rofl2:

daleks 05-30-2010 02:51 PM

R8's and GT3's have some things that are incredibly difficult to add aftermarket, such as dry-sump lubrication and hell the GT3 even has electronically controlled engine mounts. A supercharged Z will be fun, but it will never be as refined as the other cars you've listed. Granted that may not matter if you're looking for a pure track car.

Zsteve 05-30-2010 02:51 PM

R8 spyder here

bullitt5897 05-30-2010 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 556253)
BTW, why don't we have more vids from Bullitt's monster Z build???

All in due time my friend all in due time :tup:

Zele Japan may even come on board with the build... *fingers crossed*

We will post a full build thread as the build gets closer to completion.

Brazilbro 05-30-2010 03:33 PM

I would keep the Z unless I could pay cash for the other cars on the list..
If you can, I'd get this one!
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Black kNight 05-31-2010 01:08 PM

if i have money i will keep the Z and tune it and Buy GT-3 too

but if you can buy R8 or GT3 in cash then go for it and remember we live this life only one time .
but how much it cost to tune the 370z ??

Pat@SMM 05-31-2010 01:22 PM

We work on a lot of Porsches and a some R8's and yes the Porsches are amazing for the track and supremely fast in the right hands. The big thing that you should consider is maintenance costs. It will easily cost you twice as much to maintain a Porsche compared to almost anything else, and imagine if you smack it up. I have a customer that has mildly modded 996 GT3 and he put it in the wall. The total cost to repair is $16000 so far.

Endgame 05-31-2010 02:11 PM

I say drop the 15k into a TT, get all the ALL the 'safe mods', and hoard cash. As you mentioned earlier, it would be tragic to wreck the R8 or GT3 on the track. Not so much with the Z. If you feel you want to upgrade after a few years of hoarding cash, then upgrade (to the GT3!!!!).

While not in the same financial situation as you, I went with the Z over the Exige S because I would be devastated if I wrecked it at the track, and I can hoard money and wait for some nice investments or pick up that second home somewhere. Heck, my wife is from the Bahamas; maybe I will build a house there to vacation at in the summer.

Do something like that; once established there, hook up the GT3!

m4a1mustang 05-31-2010 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Endgame (Post 557265)
I say drop the 15k into a TT, get all the ALL the 'safe mods', and hoard cash. As you mentioned earlier, it would be tragic to wreck the R8 or GT3 on the track. Not so much with the Z. If you feel you want to upgrade after a few years of hoarding cash, then upgrade (to the GT3!!!!).

While not in the same financial situation as you, I went with the Z over the Exige S because I would be devastated if I wrecked it at the track, and I can hoard money and wait for some nice investments or pick up that second home somewhere. Heck, my wife is from the Bahamas; maybe I will build a house there to vacation at in the summer.

Do something like that; once established there, hook up the GT3!

+1. You're young and in a GREAT position to build a solid base of wealth... And by TT'ing the Z it's not like you're missing out on any fun. :tup:

B1nks 05-31-2010 02:26 PM

I absolutely love Porsche but they are not faster than the R8 as proven by many automotive tests. If I bought a Porsche it would be because I just really like Porsche and not because I wanted the fastest car. They are difficult to drive and if you can drive one fast you get some props for sure. I would take the R8 or GT-R myself because you can not beat the price/performance of the GT-R but the R8 is beast. Get the v10 R8 though hehe. I wouldn't build the 370z for track because of all the problems that would be associated with it, I would take one from the factory that is simply a beast and has factory track options such as carbon ceramic brakes etc. That way you won't have to make crappy looking ducts to the brakes to help cool no matter what you do along with the ABS and fuel starvation issues. The vehicle wouldn't even be a DD vehicle anymore.

AndyZ 05-31-2010 04:30 PM

Got TT definatly fast. Making c5 z06 to shame.
I can say TT z will hold or pull on gt3

Kastley85891 05-31-2010 05:14 PM

^ BASTARD lol ;-)

mrcardio 05-31-2010 05:24 PM

If you're only interested in putting down super car numbers and could careless about the actual experience of course they’re cheaper ways of doing this.

mrcardio 05-31-2010 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by B1nks (Post 557289)
I absolutely love Porsche but they are not faster than the R8 as proven by many automotive tests. If I bought a Porsche it would be because I just really like Porsche and not because I wanted the fastest car. They are difficult to drive and if you can drive one fast you get some props for sure. I would take the R8 or GT-R myself because you can not beat the price/performance of the GT-R but the R8 is beast. Get the v10 R8 though hehe. I wouldn't build the 370z for track because of all the problems that would be associated with it, I would take one from the factory that is simply a beast and has factory track options such as carbon ceramic brakes etc. That way you won't have to make crappy looking ducts to the brakes to help cool no matter what you do along with the ABS and fuel starvation issues. The vehicle wouldn't even be a DD vehicle anymore.

No Porsche is faster than an R8?

I'm pretty sure the Porsche GT2/ RS will rip the R8 a new one.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/compariso...di_R8_V10.html

Nordschleife: GT2 RS: 7:18 R8: 7:44

Carrera GT? No problem

http://www.fastestlaps.com/compariso...di_R8_V10.html

The New 911 Turbo is quicker in a straight line and probably around track but there hasn't been enough test to actually prove anything yet.

Regardless, the Audi R8 isn't faster than any Porsche.

The Nissan GT-R? It recently lost to the new Porsche 911 Turbo in a Road & Track comparison. Not because of it's "numbers" but because it's a far better "drivers car". And yes, they took price into account.

Track numbers don't tell the full story.

Scott @ RA 05-31-2010 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 555547)
My little dream vacation right now is a two week roadtrip to Stillen or GTM, drop the car off, enjoy the area for a while, and then pick it up in its transformed state :). Reality might just be shipping it there though.

That's funny that you mentioned that, we actually are about to get another customer from Florida bring his car out here to us and stay for about a 3 week vacation here is sunny San Diego while we install his complete new race built motor, twin turbo kit, brakes, and suspension.

Having customers cars shipped here to us for full builds and track prepping is something we do all the time. A majority of our customers are from out of state. We have customers from as far away as Canada, Tennessee, Florida, New York, etc that have shipped us their cars to have various work done, including quite a few complete track/ race car transformations. We have built more track dominating beastly Z's than anybody else in the country, including the winning-est time attack 350Z and also the nations fastest and winning-est track prepped time attack G35. These cars make very light work of both the R8 and the GT3 that you speak of, LOL

Although I can see the pro's and con's to both.... transforming your Z into a more track worthy car, or just buying a more out of the box capable car. It is a tough choice and all comes down to what YOU wanna do....

AndyZ 05-31-2010 09:00 PM

Honestly i want more power im pushing 500whp and sometime around 550. But it feels needs littlebit more ponies. Im saving up to build my engine now looking for 600~700whp
it could be little too much but theres boostcontroller for it

Push370zzz 05-31-2010 10:08 PM

how is this even a question...get the GT3!!!

Even if your power-weight ratio was the same, you are not going to keep up with a GT3. And who cares if it can anyways...the Porsche is a nicer car all around.

Push370zzz 05-31-2010 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Red370 (Post 556166)
I say build your Z to be a daily driven beast, build the block and boost it to 14-16 psi, you'll smoke any and all, and nobody will know what hit them, imagine.. sitting at a stoplight... yellow Gallardo pulls up, windows are down, he gives you a wink, light changes, and poor fella is shat upon by a $30,000 "best bang for the buck" sports hatch, c'mon, you know how amazing that would feel? Oh, and more importantly, do you know how much more amazing it would feel to see the look on his trophy wifes face after her husband was completely embarrassed by a Nissan? oh man, i wish i had money to blow...

But he isn't going to be embarrassed because he's the one in the Gallardo with the hot wife

zman1910 05-31-2010 10:25 PM

In my experience....no matter how fast you think your car is.......trying to race a lambo gallardo lp560-4 is not a great idea. His launch control will rip you apart. It's one thing to have a lot of power on paper and another thing entirely transferring that power to the pavement.

AndyZ 05-31-2010 10:44 PM

Drag radials ftw lol

only diffrence between getting some exotuc cars and FI your z is they are in totally diffrent class
cars can be as fast as any other car with mod
but class can not

choose one you prefer more

Forrest 05-31-2010 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red370 (Post 556166)
I say build your Z to be a daily driven beast, build the block and boost it to 14-16 psi, you'll smoke any and all, and nobody will know what hit them, imagine.. sitting at a stoplight... yellow Gallardo pulls up, windows are down, he gives you a wink, light changes, and poor fella is shat upon by a $30,000 "best bang for the buck" sports hatch, c'mon, you know how amazing that would feel? Oh, and more importantly, do you know how much more amazing it would feel to see the look on his trophy wifes face after her husband was completely embarrassed by a Nissan? oh man, i wish i had money to blow...

I agree with Red. Theres a sick satisfaction of beating a car that you shouldn't be able too.

Unless i was stinking rich i dont think i would partake in either of those cars. Although a GTR and a Corvette sound nice to me.

antennahead 05-31-2010 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by smashwebs (Post 557712)
But he isn't going to be embarrassed because he's the one in the Gallardo with the hot wife

:iagree: as if his trophy wife actually would give a damn that her husband's Gallardo was beaten by a modded Z :roflpuke2:

Kastley85891 05-31-2010 11:51 PM

20K modding my first STi , 5K in my second, both ate high dollar 'super cars' for lunch, could not help but smile....lol see a couple of my vids earlier in thread

Id still mod the Z purely because I aint go the cash for the GT3 or like, but hey I got my 4 kids and a smokin hot wife anyways ;-) dont need my car $$ for that

Pat@SMM 06-01-2010 08:35 AM

Speaking of GT3's and R8's......

SpeedMerchants

MMC Racing 06-01-2010 01:02 PM

You are in the midwest - embrace your inner hick and get a Z06 and mod it. :)

-born and raised midwesterner..

2fast4thelaw 06-01-2010 09:20 PM

I would mod the hell out of the Z and call it a day. I already freak out about people hitting my car. Its been done twice since I bought it! I would be an absolute basket case driving my car if it cost 3 times as much as my Z.

Lambos, Porches, and Audi's are sweet but they would be nothing but diminished returns for me. My 370Z gives me more attention than I really want in the first place. A supercharged or TT'd 370 Z is not a car many
would want to line up an run against no matter what you are driving. This car has wicked potential for relativlely low cost.

When I had my 2005 Turbonetics ST 350Z I smoked a guy in Honda CBR-600. He even had a car length lead on me and I pulled him.

Supergoji 06-01-2010 10:01 PM

GT3, or fully built TT'd 370z.

those are your choices. deal with it.

BAHUMAT2JZ 06-01-2010 10:09 PM

How much whp you have in your 350z? I don't think that cbr driver knows what he was doing or he not trying....i have 07 cbr 600rr that walk my friend's 600 whp supra all day

2fast4thelaw 06-02-2010 01:48 PM

It delivered about 450 rwhp. Even though the car had killer top-end and tons of torque I was actually really suprized I took him. His bike looked kinda old like a 90's model but it still looked fast. I think he was more suprized that I took him on more than anything. I flat out pulled him dead to right.

BAHUMAT2JZ 06-02-2010 02:54 PM

Nice kill!

JB-370z 06-02-2010 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by smashwebs (Post 557710)
how is this even a question...get the GT3!!!

Even if your power-weight ratio was the same, you are not going to keep up with a GT3. And who cares if it can anyways...the Porsche is a nicer car all around.

Its a fucl<ing PORSCHE! Enough said. -THE END

Phimosis 06-04-2010 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Tius (Post 555584)
Congrats on finishing residency! I feel where you're at. I'm excited just to finish intern year. Anyways, if you feel having a nice car is gonna make you happy, then get one of those. Otherwise, from a financial standpoint, holding onto the z and modding as allowed by finances while paying off loans, or whatsoever is probably the better way to go.

P.S.
If i were you and I was gonna go into more debt for a car, screw it, go all out and go ferrari f430 or porsche gt2. Go big or go home right

Hey Spearfish and Tius: What are you guys doing your residencies in? I'm a radiologist, finished my training in 2006. When I first finished residency I bought a 2006 Corvette with the z51 suspension. Great performance for the price. In 2009 when it had 55,000 miles on it, it was showing it's age and was time for a new car. I was considering a used Gallardo, used 911 turbo or ZR1 in the low 100k range. I did the math though and it adds up like this: $2,000 a month payment + high insurance with roughly $1,500 a month going to interest payment. Then you get almost $1,000 a month in depreciation. Your total cost of ownership is between $2,500 and $3,000 a month once you go to resell your car. It's also expected that you drive cars like that for 3,000 miles a year to keep the depreciation and insurance down. Being fresh out of residency, I had lots of items on my wish list, like a house, new furniture, electronics, travel, dates with future trophy wife, etc. Then you get used to spending $1,500 on bottle service in vegas and trips to Honolulu on less than 7 days notice. The money goes fast.
After long deliberation, I got a 370z because it made sense: not too expensive, not many other people have them, looks great, handles great, nice interior. After suspension, tires and bolt on induction upgrades the 370z is a fantastic and fun car. It just needs a little more power. I knew when I bought it that forced induction would be coming. We are so close to forced induction now that it is the perfect time to own a 370z!
So the trade off is: do you want to live in a shack and have a GT3 in the garage, or live in a pimp house on the golf course and drive a turbo 370z?

m4a1mustang 06-04-2010 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Phimosis (Post 563154)
Hey Spearfish and Tius: What are you guys doing your residencies in? I'm a radiologist, finished my training in 2006. When I first finished residency I bought a 2006 Corvette with the z51 suspension. Great performance for the price. In 2009 when it had 55,000 miles on it, it was showing it's age and was time for a new car. I was considering a used Gallardo, used 911 turbo or ZR1 in the low 100k range. I did the math though and it adds up like this: $2,000 a month payment + high insurance with roughly $1,500 a month going to interest payment. Then you get almost $1,000 a month in depreciation. Your total cost of ownership is between $2,500 and $3,000 a month once you go to resell your car. It's also expected that you drive cars like that for 3,000 miles a year to keep the depreciation and insurance down. Being fresh out of residency, I had lots of items on my wish list, like a house, new furniture, electronics, travel, dates with future trophy wife, etc. Then you get used to spending $1,500 on bottle service in vegas and trips to Honolulu on less than 7 days notice. The money goes fast.
After long deliberation, I got a 370z because it made sense: not too expensive, not many other people have them, looks great, handles great, nice interior. After suspension, tires and bolt on induction upgrades the 370z is a fantastic and fun car. It just needs a little more power. I knew when I bought it that forced induction would be coming. We are so close to forced induction now that it is the perfect time to own a 370z!
So the trade off is: do you want to live in a shack and have a GT3 in the garage, or live in a pimp house on the golf course and drive a turbo 370z?

+1 rep

spearfish25 06-04-2010 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phimosis (Post 563154)
Hey Spearfish and Tius: What are you guys doing your residencies in? I'm a radiologist, finished my training in 2006. When I first finished residency I bought a 2006 Corvette with the z51 suspension. Great performance for the price. In 2009 when it had 55,000 miles on it, it was showing it's age and was time for a new car. I was considering a used Gallardo, used 911 turbo or ZR1 in the low 100k range. I did the math though and it adds up like this: $2,000 a month payment + high insurance with roughly $1,500 a month going to interest payment. Then you get almost $1,000 a month in depreciation. Your total cost of ownership is between $2,500 and $3,000 a month once you go to resell your car. It's also expected that you drive cars like that for 3,000 miles a year to keep the depreciation and insurance down. Being fresh out of residency, I had lots of items on my wish list, like a house, new furniture, electronics, travel, dates with future trophy wife, etc. Then you get used to spending $1,500 on bottle service in vegas and trips to Honolulu on less than 7 days notice. The money goes fast.
After long deliberation, I got a 370z because it made sense: not too expensive, not many other people have them, looks great, handles great, nice interior. After suspension, tires and bolt on induction upgrades the 370z is a fantastic and fun car. It just needs a little more power. I knew when I bought it that forced induction would be coming. We are so close to forced induction now that it is the perfect time to own a 370z!
So the trade off is: do you want to live in a shack and have a GT3 in the garage, or live in a pimp house on the golf course and drive a turbo 370z?

I just finished a Family Medicine residency.


OK, J/K.

Urology. Would the car (R8/GT3) be a huge monthly expense? Definitely...without a hefty down payment. That's certainly a factor in the decision process. Also, I have my wife to contend with. She thinks an Altima is a perfectly good way to get around. I suppose another option I left out is a nice in-between too: Build a Caterham! I'm kinda liking that one more and more actually.

bigcloud 06-05-2010 09:02 AM

First off congrats on completing your residency!! I would look at what type of house you can buy first. You want a garage to house the new beast that you will build or buy. If you absolutely have to have an R8 you should consider buying a used one and doing this to it...


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