Hello

How can this easily reduces the labor by 2-3 hours?

There is 52 item in the picture. If each item will take a novice (or a retard) mechanic one minute to put together, that's 52 minute.

How did you come up with the 2-3 hours?

if you have an experienced mechanic that charges you for actual labor hours then good for you... not everyone has that

I totally agree with you travisjb. An experienced mechanic wont charges you for actual labor hours.

But he would (or should) still charge you for one hour of labor to put together whats in the picture.
Because an experienced mechanic would take him under 30 min of actual labor time, and 1 hour that's double the time. lets say he will ask for triple that would be 1:30 hour. 2-3 hour that's a rip off.

NO mechanic charges 1.30 hours buddy, sorry. If it is going to take them 1.30 hours to do it, they will charge you 2 hours, its that simple. They are not off by saying 2-3 hours, so dont question it. The simple fact that all that is done, helps the guys that wants to install this himself, like me, helps alot b/c its just one piece to install.

The assembly you see before you are some critical components, something you want installed correctly.

If you did 50 of these in a row, it would go quicker than never touching the assembly before, and following directions to do so. Installing incorrectly would lead to problems and disassembly.

Let's call it 2 hours of labor then.. at an average labor rate, that's still ~$200.

Either way, we're doing it for you, it shows up assembled in the box. Just another feature.

Josh, have you completed the installation instructions? I'd love to have a copy to see what is involved :)

Thanks!!

Nice touch, last thing you want is some fwit messing with a critical item that means you are badgering manafacturer for issue beyong their control, makes sense.

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Josh or Kyle,

This may have already appeared in the thread, but is my SC going to ship with some kind of shield for the air filters, and what will the replacement engine cover cost. Will the only purpose for the cover be just for looks, or will it serve any other purpose? Thanks!

Kyle - still awaiting a response to this. Any reason it has been overlooked outside of the obvious?

Storm, they kinda did address your comment by commenting on the temperatures required to cure the molds. Melting temps are pretty high and would not be reached by normal sun exposure. What it could well be is a combination of everything you and they have said. There is a chance that, as they explained, the urethane they are using is a little bit too soft and with the heat of the sun the material became even softer and more malleable. That, in combination with the fact that one of the brackets wasn't giving the necessary support caused the bumper to warp a little and deform into what you are seeing. They already said they are checking the urethane for strength and they are redesigning the bracket to provide needed support. They have halted production until that's done. Sounds like you are looking for them to admit something based on some cases where it happened. I would think those cases are only a fraction of pieces sold and that many more people have had no problems, you just don't hear people come on the boards and talk about stuff when it does what its supposed to. They are trying to do right by this now and fix the issue before they ship anything else... I've been hanging back on this one and watching; it seems like they are making a reasonable attempt to address the issue like any business would. Not all companies like to discuss everything about their products on a public forum and I'm not surprised they don't considering how easy it is to draw inaccurate conclusions from just about any comment they make.

Just my two cents and happy to hear your opinion too. Nothing wrong with keeping them honest.

Kyle might have gotten confused since this appeared to be a thread about superchargers. I'm sure he'll realize now that it is not and get right to your question.

My response came after his. Basically his response was calling myself and others who have purchased his products in the past liars. If you had of been around the forums for a while, you would know these weren't isolated incidents. I really take offense to organizations who cannot admit their mistakes and try to gloss over them. Surely, Stillen is saying they are going to try and do something about the current situation with their urethane. But, what about those in the past? No remediation will be made there, of course.

What I think you have yet to realize, RCZ, is that I am pointing out repeat incidents with this company. Nothing that I post here is a secret. Research will show you that. But, this is a new market full of new clientelle. If you are going to peddle a product for bucket-loads of money, especially in this economy, the client damn well better be getting what they are promised. When a company continues to recreate the very same flawed products in market after market...there is a serious issue. And one that we all deserve to know about...especially before we spend our hard earned money.

Perfectly fair.

Storm- There are many reasons I have not directly answered your post and to be honest, this will probably be the last time I do. It's because you are a heavily biased member of the forum and all of your questions/posts are only intended to make STILLEN look bad. Why would I waste my time going back and forth with someone who clearly only has one goal in mind...Whether it is our supercharger, urethane, or anything else you seem intent on tearing it down.

However, for the knowledge of the member's of this forum I will respond to your post.

In specific response to the Supra thread. I have absolutely no idea what could have been going on there. As you said, that thread was from seven years ago and it was only one person saying that. For all I know he is in the same boat as you and just doesn't like STILLEN for whatever reason. Or, there could be something with that mold. Keeping in mind that we have sold thousands of those fascia's it could very well be something with the age of the mold. Again, these parts cure at well over 200 degrees. The molds go through quite a bit of abuse through their life and we do our best to maintain and periodically replace our molds as necessary.

Moving on to the 350Z however, here are a few threads that might be of interest to some of the member's here:

Do these bumpers need a lot of prep work? PIC INSIDE*** - MY350Z.COM Forums

OP's opening line:

"I HATE fiberglass and will never get myself involved with it ever again but i have a stillen front bumper on my Z now that came with it when i bought it but i dont like it too much anymore because it looks to much like a porche and isnt edgy enough for my taste but the bumper is super strong, has no cracks chips or anything and is super smooth and its urethane. Now i dont know if a lot of work was put into it other than paint work when the other guy before me had it but i just wanted to know if the bumper below would need any prep work (ie-fitment/bodywork) before paint and instalation. now i know its the ing+1 FRONT BUMPER but i found this on ebay with free shipping for $300 and thought it was a good deal unless these bumpers need more work then just paint/bolt on and go...

any info would be helpfull. Thanks... "

I have no problem with someone not liking the design we came up with...We're not trying to say we're the only option out there, but look at the positive things he says about the fascia.

Here is another 350Z thread discussing our body kit:

Stillen 350Z Bodykit - MY350Z.COM Forums

And some interesting and relevant posts from that thread:

MY350Z.COM Forums - View Single Post - Stillen 350Z Bodykit

This post has plenty of pictures from multiple angles and they all look like the fascia and other body components fit nicely to me.

MY350Z.COM Forums - View Single Post - Stillen 350Z Bodykit

This post is from one of our customer's who has had the body kit on his vehicle's (2 different cars) for 13 and 16 years and is very pleased with them. Also, he is located in Georgia which I'm sure you would agree is a pretty hot climate.

MY350Z.COM Forums - View Single Post - Stillen 350Z Bodykit

Another Series 2 fascia owner and again, the fitment looks good to me...


I am not trying to call anyone a liar but I am saying that there are a long list of variables to consider. Who did the installation? How was the installation performed? Were all of the instructions followed from beginning to end including, was the correct preparation done prior to paint all the way to, was a reinforcement bracket removed from the factory fascia to our STILLEN fascia. It is not possible to offer a blanket statement about a particular product because there are just too many things that can be different or can be a related issue. For example, you even stated yourself that you experienced an issue with your fascia but sold the car. You make no mention of notifying STILLEN or asking for assistance or anything...

STILLEN has been manufacturing urethane body kits in house for well over 20 years. We also manufacture and private label body kits for some of the largest automotive tuner's in the world. I wish I could disclose the names of some of these other companies but contracts prevent me from doing so.

Also, I do take personal offence to someone who makes claims like our design is a rip off of any other companies designs. I was heavily involved in the design of this body kit and I can promise you I had never seen that GT R body kit prior to your post. With that being said, it is very common to borrow lines and designs from other vehicle's and adapt them to work on a body kit. For example, during the development of our Series 2 body kit for the 350Z we actually had a die cast car of a Ferrari 360 Modena in our design studio. We liked the looks of those scoops and wanted to develop them to be functional. So, we made them functional brake ducts. The side vents that you see on our fascia are functional by incorporating oil coolers on the sides. Additionally the center fangs are going to be functional brake ducting as well. We also incorporated a top vent which is a functional "ram air" to our Gen. 3 intakes and supercharger intakes. If someone doesn't like the look of our design, that's fine. Not everyone is going to like the look of every body kit out there...That's the beauty of this business, there are plenty of other offerings...

Personally I love your Z34 bumper and wish you made something similar for the G35/G37 sedan :D