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Cars_go_vroom 08-21-2021 02:15 PM

My build
 
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Howdy.

I've been working on this build for nearly a decade and ran into a handful of issues after I got out of the military. This build was inspired by a 67-69 vette I saw going to a car show in LA nearly a decade ago.

I had a handful of shops help me with this build but the main two shops were Dynastay here in Dallas and my full sponsorship with UpRev. The sponsorship with UpRev have been a difficult path but I'll slay that information out as this post continues.

So big shout outs for assisting this build and all the love they showed.
-Dynastay - Tay for his excellent engineering skills and performance knowledge for most of all the platforms that I mess with. He's the know how guy for almost everything. Minus exotics.
-Endyne in Ft Worth, TX
-Darton Sleeve and Darton East - much of the engineering and big brain power from Jim who no longer works for them. Kind of sad about it.
-UpRev/Bardabe - UpRev took in the car due to the rare build many moons ago. Long story short the old crew at UpRev sat on it for majority of the time. Juan who shares a space with UpRev and operator and owner of Bardabe made ******* magic happen. He made the impossible ******* possible. His projects at the shop are some top notch quality.

Def need to hit both of these guys up. Tay and Juan.

I don't remember all of the small details of the car. But if I missed something and remember, I'll throw it in.

I was one of the first from Jun Performance to test out their Jun exhaust cams. I got it for 300ish when they first came to market. I still keep in touch with them every now and then and let them know what's going on, just for the hell of it. If you ever lived in Japan, they like to see their products do well and genuinely love to chat about it.

Everything on the car is built from the ground up.

Head works completely done. Endyne had Ferrea build **** to Endyne's specification after the owner bitched them out for being a **** up.

CP piston and rods.
Sleeved
All of the nuts and bolts from ARP. Jim at Darton East (again the man works for someone else now) had H19s built. I didn't know these do not exist on the market till I was telling folks about it and no one could find it. One off at the time it was engineered and made. You'd have to find Jim and pick his brain cause we had zero issues with it and haven't witnessed head lift, yet.

Tay at Dynastay made custom everything from the turbo manifolds to all of the piping for the car. This was expensive since I went through three sets in a trial and error and R&D'ing it.

2k ID Injectors.
Custom Fuel System for E85 and meth. I was previously running on C16 under the old advise from the old UpRev crew.
RJM GTR manifold conversion or whatever it's called.
All tuned on UpRev on a 2008 G37.

I can't think of anything else but everything was upgraded. The turbos are from Precision. 2x 6262s.

I have two data loggers but using the AEM data logger to keep an eye on everything since the MoTec C127 wouldn't communicate back with the car.

Planning on going with Emtron next year for more capabilities and going away from rom tuning bs. Or whenever the car blows up whichever comes first.

When tuning we ran into a bunch of issues. Heat being the number one issue we kept running into. We are going back and forth on the intercooler. It's built to hold 1300 hp but after beating the hell out of the car, the intercooler is extremely ******* hot. IAT temps would spike and the car would throttle and lose power.

The controlled temps were at 85 degrees. We were running between 25 to 31 pounds while tuning and testing. This was on a hub dyno. They dyno was 8.6 seconds long. 650 RPM/seconds starting at 1800 rpm going to 7400 for those curious.

The car has sensors to monitor any sudden spikes in temp. Sudden spike could be or might be a head lift issue and fall back to a fail safe of cutting the car off.

GFB GForce 3 boost controller assist with that craziness. Don't ask me how to set this up. I don't know how to turn up the boost. You have to calibrate three different parameters to get it rolling. I'm lost on it. Juan sends me a bunch of math to change things here and there in real time.

We are planning on doing some dyno'ing at Dynastay when the temperatures drop a bit here in Texas. It's balls hot here in Dallas at the moment and we want to rule out a few things when the tuning was occurring during the heat peaks in Texas.

Oh, the tires are to get some traction I'm using are:

Fronts. Nitto Invos 245/40/19
Rears. Mickey Thompsons ETR 305/45/17

This has been my best combo and they hook very well.

Using OS Giken Triple Plate and all that jazz to make it work.

That's all I can think of at the moment. If y'all have questions I'll answer what I can.

PS - I drive the car hard. I have the boost controller to cut boost at 32 pounds as a safety measure.

Here are a few pictures and a dyno sheet.

Cars_go_vroom 08-21-2021 02:21 PM

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Better view of the engine bay and custom fuel system that UpRev built. Juan added a few stuff underneath the car and such for other stuff.

Spooler 08-21-2021 02:22 PM

Looks like you have the same issue as me, Intercooler needs some attention. Darton East was a mixed bag of nuts over the years. That is why I used Mazworx for my motor build.

Cars_go_vroom 08-21-2021 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 4007147)
Looks like you have the same issue as me, Intercooler needs some attention. Darton East was a mixed bag of nuts over the years. That is why I used Mazworx for my motor build.

I haven't had an issue with ARP. Jim and ARP had open comms and were going back and forth.

I can't say anything went wrong yet.

cv129 08-21-2021 04:27 PM

Oh Dynastay! He was my go-to in my 240sx days.

I think I’ve seen your car many times in his shop.

Spooler 08-21-2021 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cars_go_vroom (Post 4007150)
I haven't had an issue with ARP. Jim and ARP had open comms and were going back and forth.

I can't say anything went wrong yet.

I meant your IAT's climbing. My Mazworx engine is good. No issues with that.

Bardabe 08-21-2021 09:32 PM

Looks good sir! Looking forward to the next evolution & making the adaptation.

Elmo370z 08-22-2021 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Bardabe (Post 4007174)
Looks good sir! Looking forward to the next evolution & making the adaptation.

Did you do any type of fire rings or step decking the block to keep the heads from
Lifting?

Cars_go_vroom 08-22-2021 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cv129 (Post 4007162)
Oh Dynastay! He was my go-to in my 240sx days.

I think I’ve seen your car many times in his shop.

Yeah most likely. It was there for a good while.

Cars_go_vroom 08-22-2021 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 4007192)
Did you do any type of fire rings or step decking the block to keep the heads from
Lifting?

Fire ring no. Never heard about that a decade ago. The step decking, couldn't tell ya.

A question to ask Tay at Dynastay.

Spooler 08-22-2021 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Cars_go_vroom (Post 4007208)
Fire ring no. Never heard about that a decade ago. The step decking, couldn't tell ya.

A question to ask Tay at Dynastay.

I would say if the guy from Darton East was very knowledgeable, which it sounds like he was, he step deck cut the block for you. It would be something he may or may not have stated. Step deck cutting a block with Darton MID sleeves is not new. It has been done for a while. If you motor ever comes apart it will be something that needs to be checked to see how many millimeters the cylinder walls protrude above the deck.

Cars_go_vroom 08-22-2021 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 4007213)
I would say if the guy from Darton East was very knowledgeable, which it sounds like he was, he step deck cut the block for you. It would be something he may or may not have stated. Step deck cutting a block with Darton MID sleeves is not new. It has been done for a while. If you motor ever comes apart it will be something that needs to be checked to see how many millimeters the cylinder walls protrude above the deck.

You're most likely correct. Yesterday the car didn't explode on me. Ran it on the 1k plus map. Ran my friend's ZL1 that gapped me by bus lengths. Ran the car few times back to back. No issues. No overheating. No throttles of any sort. Car was running on 31 psi pounds and nothing happened except that I learned 10 speeds are bada$$.

Everything was good to go.

Elmo370z 08-22-2021 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cars_go_vroom (Post 4007214)
You're most likely correct. Yesterday the car didn't explode on me. Ran it on the 1k plus map. Ran my friend's ZL1 that gapped me by bus lengths. Ran the car few times back to back. No issues. No overheating. No throttles of any sort. Car was running on 31 psi pounds and nothing happened except that I learned 10 speeds are bada$$.

Everything was good to go.

Wow. Blackbox tuning has a plug and play solution for the emtron kv16 I believe. Cost is really compared to a motec or starting from scratch with a haltech nexus unit

Cars_go_vroom 08-22-2021 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 4007217)
Wow. Blackbox tuning has a plug and play solution for the emtron kv16 I believe. Cost is really compared to a motec or starting from scratch with a haltech nexus unit

Juan over at Bardabe Performance is certified with EmTron and has already paved a way for the car/platform.

I'm getting in more seat time before going full retard on it. There are a few things after running the car against other, more up to date vehicles, of what I would like in this future iteration.

Rom tuning is not the way. That's my two cents on it.

Spooler 08-22-2021 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cars_go_vroom (Post 4007222)
Juan over at Bardabe Performance is certified with EmTron and has already paved a way for the car/platform.

I'm getting in more seat time before going full retard on it. There are a few things after running the car against other, more up to date vehicles, of what I would like in this future iteration.

Rom tuning is not the way. That's my two cents on it.

You have Uprev. You can't do boost by gear, traction control tuning, etc. This is where Ecutek is much better. It can be used as an interm until a standalone can be installed.

Spooler 08-22-2021 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cars_go_vroom (Post 4007214)
You're most likely correct. Yesterday the car didn't explode on me. Ran it on the 1k plus map. Ran my friend's ZL1 that gapped me by bus lengths. Ran the car few times back to back. No issues. No overheating. No throttles of any sort. Car was running on 31 psi pounds and nothing happened except that I learned 10 speeds are bada$$.

Everything was good to go.

I am sure you spun all over the place. 700-800whp is about all you can control with your right foot. Go above that and the spin fest will ensue.

Cars_go_vroom 08-22-2021 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 4007228)
I am sure you spun all over the place. 700-800whp is about all you can control with your right foot. Go above that and the spin fest will ensue.

Not really. Tried from a 40 and a 60 roll. Had traction. Car hooked.

Cars_go_vroom 08-22-2021 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 4007227)
You have Uprev. You can't do boost by gear, traction control tuning, etc. This is where Ecutek is much better. It can be used as an interm until a standalone can be installed.

I'm not on "market" UpRev.

Bardabe 08-25-2021 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 4007192)
Did you do any type of fire rings or step decking the block to keep the heads from
Lifting?

I'm honestly not sure exactly what method they used, I didn't build the car at all I was just the one tuning it. Had to make changes to the fuel system because the one designed by the previous guy didn't have enough flow for E85. Engine seemed to be holding well until we got into the higher boost levels I saw some coolant pressure spikes on the logger, so we will see how long it keeps it together for.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 4007217)
Wow. Blackbox tuning has a plug and play solution for the emtron kv16 I believe. Cost is really compared to a motec or starting from scratch with a haltech nexus unit

I have EMtron for the Z/G works really well, once we go that route the car will have a custom traction control strategy coded by me, and i'll be able to get rid of a ton of "work around" i had to do to make the stock ecu happy with this setup.

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 4007227)
You have Uprev. You can't do boost by gear, traction control tuning, etc. This is where Ecutek is much better. It can be used as an interm until a standalone can be installed.

unfortunately not for his case, his car is a 2008 and i could not get race rom working on his car without swapping out a newer ecu, which we would have been better off putting that money and effort into getting the EMTron in the car. Plus, it was a good way to show that even though UpRev is behind on the motorsport features their software can still make 4 digit power numbers.

Spooler 08-25-2021 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bardabe (Post 4007462)
I'm honestly not sure exactly what method they used, I didn't build the car at all I was just the one tuning it. Had to make changes to the fuel system because the one designed by the previous guy didn't have enough flow for E85. Engine seemed to be holding well until we got into the higher boost levels I saw some coolant pressure spikes on the logger, so we will see how long it keeps it together for.



Welcome to the "Wonder if my chit is going to hold together club"......
If there is nothing done to keep the cylinder pressure in check they don't last long.

cv129 08-25-2021 12:10 PM

OP, your car was at a lower whp (like 5xx to 7xx) before right? I believe I’ve seen this car attending tx2k some years back? Just wondering if My brain still works…

Cars_go_vroom 08-25-2021 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cv129 (Post 4007465)
OP, your car was at a lower whp (like 5xx to 7xx) before right? I believe I’ve seen this car attending tx2k some years back? Just wondering if My brain still works…

Yeah around 600ish back in 2011-2012 timeframe.

Cars_go_vroom 08-25-2021 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 4007464)
Welcome to the "Wonder if my chit is going to hold together club"......
If there is nothing done to keep the cylinder pressure in check they don't last long.

You'd have to ask Tay for the break down of what he did with the other shops that built the motor. There are a few things he did that no other shops done. But you'd have to pry that info out of him.

It hasn't exploded yet. I told my car it's cool if you go Allah Alkbar on me. It wouldn't be the first time either.

Elmo370z 09-01-2021 02:58 PM

Jim works at IAG performance

Cars_go_vroom 09-01-2021 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 4008159)
Jim works at IAG performance

Oo. How did you find him?

Thanks for the info.

Elmo370z 09-01-2021 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cars_go_vroom (Post 4008179)
Oo. How did you find him?

Thanks for the info.

Crazy what you can find out when you research and start knocking on doors.

Elmo370z 09-01-2021 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Cars_go_vroom (Post 4008179)
Oo. How did you find him?

Thanks for the info.

I’m
Interested in those h19 head bolts, I want to know what they are

Cars_go_vroom 09-01-2021 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 4008185)
I’m
Interested in those h19 head bolts, I want to know what they are

Hope you find what you're looking for. Car still hasn't blown up yet.

Elmo370z 09-02-2021 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Cars_go_vroom (Post 4008195)
Hope you find what you're looking for. Car still hasn't blown up yet.

Hard to get a hold of him

Elmo370z 09-02-2021 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cars_go_vroom (Post 4008195)
Hope you find what you're looking for. Car still hasn't blown up yet.

He not building anymore. Looks like you’re the only VQ to have those head bolts.

Elmo370z 09-02-2021 03:43 PM

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Lucky

Cars_go_vroom 09-02-2021 04:45 PM

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Lucky

That sucks. Maybe buy him a lap dance and a few rounds of alcohol and he might just change his mind.

Cars_go_vroom 09-02-2021 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 4008237)
He not building anymore. Looks like you’re the only VQ to have those head bolts.

Looks that way.

Cars_go_vroom 10-11-2021 10:39 PM

Local Dallas Youtuber made a video of my car.

https://youtu.be/5EuaD7Ekc5Q

Enjoy

Mr.Squeeze 10-13-2021 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cars_go_vroom (Post 4011143)
Local Dallas Youtuber made a video of my car.

https://youtu.be/5EuaD7Ekc5Q

Enjoy


Cool video car looks like a sleeper

Cars_go_vroom 10-14-2021 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze (Post 4011272)
Cool video car looks like a sleeper

Dead give away is my tire set up but thanks you.

Spooler 10-15-2021 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cars_go_vroom (Post 4011143)
Local Dallas Youtuber made a video of my car.

https://youtu.be/5EuaD7Ekc5Q

Enjoy

So you pushed coolant out the reservoir also I see.

Cars_go_vroom 10-18-2021 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 4011401)
So you pushed coolant out the reservoir also I see.

If that's the same thing as a coolant leak, yes.

If not then, no.

Spooler 10-18-2021 11:23 AM

Well, that is where the puke tube is for the reservoir.

Cars_go_vroom 10-18-2021 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 4011523)
Well, that is where the puke tube is for the reservoir.

something was loose. that was it.


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