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TopgunZ 05-24-2023 10:10 AM

The Z1 kit also uses a bypass valve on the wrong side of the intercooler. It sits on top and the hot charge air is coming in from the bottom meaning all of the HOT air coming from the supercharger is constantly being driven through the intercooler soaking it with heat and never giving it a chance to cool off. This is a terrible idea which will look good on the dyno since they let it cool down with the car off then hit it with one pull. On the street/track that intercooler will always be hot.

They also strung that motor out to 8000 rpm on their run which most guys are never going to do so the numbers are there for show...again.

Spooler 05-24-2023 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 4040276)
The Z1 kit also uses a bypass valve on the wrong side of the intercooler. It sits on top and the hot charge air is coming in from the bottom meaning all of the HOT air coming from the supercharger is constantly being driven through the intercooler soaking it with heat and never giving it a chance to cool off. This is a terrible idea which will look good on the dyno since they let it cool down with the car off then hit it with one pull. On the street/track that intercooler will always be hot.

They also strung that motor out to 8000 rpm on their run which most guys are never going to do so the numbers are there for show...again.

Don't give them any hints. LOL

DarkJak 05-25-2023 02:52 PM

It's a damn shame more of the stuff they made for their time attack 370z didn't get produced. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwZDloDWhL8

I ran my 370Z with Topgunz kit at autocross and can happily say, with the wastegate setup keeping boost constant through RPMs, it was SUPER easy to drive. Lots of torque out of corners and when I did have some slip, the car was as controllable as it was when NA.
Ended up at 7th fastest out of 94 on a car I haven't driven at autocross in YEARS, on a tire that wasn't a competitive autocross tire (not a super200 tw tire, not always in temp range)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQIFBq2x7kk

SeeThruHead 05-25-2023 04:20 PM

how does it sound when you're at 1/2 throttle but still decently high rpms?
Lots of BOV hissing?

FrankEtier 05-26-2023 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SeeThruHead (Post 4040362)
how does it sound when you're at 1/2 throttle but still decently high rpms?
Lots of BOV hissing?

I hear tons of BOV noises on my car, not much on the WG though.

NorthStyle 05-26-2023 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by FrankEtier (Post 4040432)
I hear tons of BOV noises on my car, not much on the WG though.

I'm just waiting on TGZ to copy Soho and release a bypass valve setup; the BOVs always annoyed me, which is part of the reason I never ran them with any of my turbo'd vehicles lol

14Q60awdSPORT 05-26-2023 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by NorthStyle (Post 4040439)
I'm just waiting on TGZ to copy Soho and release a bypass valve setup; the BOVs always annoyed me, which is part of the reason I never ran them with any of my turbo'd vehicles lol

my TPGZ Rotrex SC Setup, at 3k+ rpm on no throttle/low throttle/decel type scenarios the BOV was a constant loud hissing that I found annoying, same with at idle when there was less noises covering it up.

I made a silencer for the BOV that has had zero negative impact to its functionality and dramatically reduced the volume in all scenarios so you really don't hear or notice anything ever now.

DarkJak 05-26-2023 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SeeThruHead (Post 4040362)
how does it sound when you're at 1/2 throttle but still decently high rpms?
Lots of BOV hissing?

If I'm more than a quarter or 1/3 throttle, the BOV stays closed and is quiet. At very low throttle, that's where it opens and is noisy.

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GUTCH 03-25-2024 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Averying (Post 4039988)
This might be due to the fact that Topgunz kit can use a smaller pulley to get boost down low, then bleed off extra boost at high RPM. Z1 kit has a normal Turbosmart BOV so it can’t do that


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I guess I'm reviving this thread.

I was under the impression that a smaller pulley creates higher top end power but less low end torque.

Averying 03-25-2024 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by GUTCH (Post 4049829)
I guess I'm reviving this thread.

I was under the impression that a smaller pulley creates higher top end power but less low end torque.


A smaller pulley on the SC means that it is spinner faster at all times, so you’ll be building boost at a lower RPM compared to a larger pulley… thus more low end torque. Theoretically this also means you have more boost at high RPM too, but the TSG Rotrex kit opts to bleed off additional boost at higher RPM and have constant boost after some set RPM. This would mostly be to protect the engine.


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GUTCH 03-26-2024 01:04 AM

Interesting.

I read or watched somewhere that a smaller pulley while producing more power by spinning faster is harder to spin. Similar to a higher gear on a bike. And that results in less low end torque. Is that incorrect?

For example here's a source: https://www.aimsindustrial.com.au/bl...ey-speed-ratio

phunk 03-26-2024 02:03 AM

The link in your source accurately states that a smaller driven pulley will turn faster and produce less torque. If you want to overlay this example with a supercharger, the engine is the drive pulley and the supercharger is the driven pulley. So this wouldn't at all imply that the engine torque would be lower with a smaller supercharger pulley.

But if you want to look at further... sure spinning the supercharger faster should increase parasitic load on the engine some, consuming a small additional amount of the engines output. But as we all know, the airflow (thus HP) provided by a supercharger far outweigh the effort it takes to spin the supercharger itself.

Sr20dehauler 04-25-2024 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 4038814)
Don’t update it

I bought a Innovate PSB-1 gauge and I have an updated EcuTek. Should I exchange the PSB-1 for a SCG-1?

Also, I am only going with innovate because I have the AAM flex fuel kit with the MTX-D gauge. Are there any better gauge options? I'd like to have only 3 gauges for E%, F temp, F press, A/F (ECB-1?), oil temp & press, and boost (controller?).

HapaZ 05-25-2024 10:02 PM

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Finally made it to the dyno to complete my e85 tune. Very pleased with the numbers that my kit put down. 562/477 at 11psi. Big thanks to Aaron/Topgunz and Eugene at Enthusiast Auto Care!!


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