Nissan 370Z Forum - Preparation for the STILLEN supercharger

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Originally Posted by 1slow370 (Post 380892)

10,000 is high 6,000 is low, my guess after looking at the cost of similar parts is 6,995 for the base non-intercooled option 7,500 for the well equiped intercooled race kit and probably 7,995 for the intercooled + warranty kit

If you built this kit in your garage somehow and only paid parts price and spent half a year fabricating you would still need 5grand to buy the components. 1000 manufacturing labor is nothing for the amount of time it takes to make some of those parts just to give you a clue about it I work at a machine shop and we charge $120 an hour for just basic machining boring bar work is over 200 an hour and there is probably a solid 20 hours in one of those kits. Just thank your lucky stars they don't charge you industrial machine rate.

not to mention that every company has bills to pay... add another 15-25% for overhead... spread the engineering cost over how ever many units... add 10%... and they deserve to make a profit, right?

plus, i think any serious manufacturer is going to base pricing on what the customers are willing to pay - not what their cost was to make the product... question is, how much more or less we are willing to pay vs FI kits they think they will compete with

hate to say it, but I suspect this kit will be just south of $10K installed... I'll be pleasantly surprised if Stillen beats that

I'd be shocked if its anywhere near that cost.

When I twin turbod my 06 gto, it was around $10.5k after install, so I'd like to think a single SC would be much less than that. The only reason I mention the GTO is because it's an even lower production car than the Z.

you know selling for less can net you more as more will be sold. I really think that these companies on forums would make more money if they sold their products for less as they would sell more thhus making more. Sometimes less is more. I for one know that I dont buy as many things as I would like cuz of the prices. I feel with people saying they are willing to pay said amount on these forums that it actually influences the price. I mean if I make something and I see that people will pay 10x then what I was going to charge I would go with what they are saying. I am probably out of the SC game as I wont pay 8K plus install for one, now if I had millions then yes. Guess im down to the HFCs now and I think those are priced to high too. Just my 2 cents and rant. Those that pay Im sure will be pleased. enjoy.

not when the number of potential buyers is so low

10,000 installed is about right i'm talking kit price for those of us who can do it ourselves

Overhead is usually calculated out of machine rate you think they pay me 200 an hour?my guess for the closest wins game is 7500 for intercooler kit price

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Originally Posted by Minicobra1 (Post 380906)

Your all wrong, this is California, the economy sucks and sales are down, this will be $199 installed and we get a free trip to Disneyland :bowrofl:

LOL, then they tell you that parking is $7,000 when you get there.

How much weight does the complete package add?

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Originally Posted by Zed-Hed (Post 381990)

How much weight does the complete package add?

there has been some speculation that it'd be around +60 lbs

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Originally Posted by travisjb (Post 382139)

there has been some speculation that it'd be around +60 lbs

Nothing a good diet can't fix. To the gym fellas.

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Originally Posted by frost (Post 382148)

Nothing a good diet can't fix. To the gym fellas.

You have a good time, I'll stick to removing my spare wheel and chopping off my left leg as I won't be needing it loool

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Originally Posted by G37Sam (Post 382154)

You have a good time, I'll stick to removing my spare wheel and chopping off my left leg as I won't be needing it loool

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I'm curious how it could effect handling. I know the horsepower to weight ratio will improve.

Well 60 lbs ahead of the front axle isn't anything to sneeze at. I'm sure you will notice a difference if you track your car.

If you're really worried about upsetting the balance that much you could compensate by relocating the battery to the rear of the car (someone here has done that). But I think for most of us who aren't competitively tracking, the extra 60lbs up front will not make enough of a difference to go through the trouble of moving things around to get back in balance.

agree, if your car is just for the street, you are very unlikely to be held back by the weight in either acceleration or cornering/handling... and it can be remedied by shifting weight as described above. check out the weight loss (for your car!) thread for ideas, if you haven't already.

Kyle: I know you probably have a ton of questions to answer but if you get the time I'm really curious about the following... I was on the GTM S/C thread and these people brought up what looked like some good points to me... I don't know much on here but they seem valid:

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Originally Posted by Aldweik (Post 382888)

(as I see it) Stillen might have a hard time getting the car to run right with the 2 MAFs on the same charge tube.... I mean I stand for correction if I'm wrong but don't banks 1 & 2 generally get different data readings and voltages respectively? How can these variables ever be safely tuned out of what the (already sensitive) ECU wants to see?

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Originally Posted by fstrnldr (Post 382868)

Honestly yes i think the stillen piping looks like something i would see on homemade turbo .com. While i've not seen it in person, the Y portion looks like it will flow horribly. (could just be the glimpse we get in the video, i'm waiting to see it in person). If you want to continue to compare the two kits my next worry about the stillen kit would be the SC sitting so far away from engine, which seems similar to the previous vortech kits. That usually causes a lot of deflection in the bracket contributing to the belt slippage that everyone complains about. Hopefully they learned a lesson and added a way to stiffen that thing up a bit. Final concern with the stillen kit would be MAF location. i'm waiting to see where they actually put them, but i'm guessing they are going to have to share that main charge pipe. Not sure how the factory ECU is going to like that, or the fact that they are not reading a real intake air temp. Unless they add another IAT sensor post intercooler how will the tune know to change if the temp changes? I mean you can make the most efficient IC set up in the world, but it will change temps to some degree through the course of driving/racing etc, and the ECU should be able to see this to properly compensate.

Not trying to start any crazy Inner-forum gang wars but these all look like valid points and questions to me... If you get the time to answer it that would be much appreciated..

Lookin' great so far IMO... I hope everything is going smoothly and coming along faster than planned!