Originally Posted by bullitt5897 (Post 3623014)

What a lot of people don't understand is that the power delivery is completely different. You have more power under the curve in the PD supercharger setup and that at the end of the day wins races!

Originally Posted by zer099 (Post 3623043)

If I recall, back in December when this started rolling there was talk of the system being a modular price structure. I was thinking base price for the necessities (SC kit, Whipple, cogs, IC, and heat exchanger and pump), then add on what you need/want (tune, injectors of choice, fuel pump(s), pulley (still presuming it is trying to be made to work with the ATI), and things like that). Thus, making the price somewhat flexible especially for some that already have some the things in the kit and just need the base kit and their tuner to sit in the car. Now the kit is coming with intakes; 75% of use have those already, I thought the kit was being developed to avoid things like that. Is this still what we are looking at in the end, a modular price point, or more of a $10k stage 1 take it or leave it, $12k (random guess) stage 1.5 take it or leave it, and so on plus the price of a hood?

I realize tone on the internet can be mistaken, and I mean no anger or unhappiness; just since numbers are starting to be thrown around I wanted to understand if this was still on the table.

Originally Posted by bullitt5897 (Post 3623014)

Their stage 1 kits will come with intakes. Or you can use your stillen or as I prefer the Admin Tuning intakes.

Yes you can go turbo. Honestly the only well designed twin turbo kit is the fast intentions kit. A fast intentions kit is going to run you $15k+ installed and tuned for a base kit... That is significantly more than the RJM kit plus they hit two different markets as brought up by many in here already.

What a lot of people don't understand is that the power delivery is completely different. You have more power under the curve in the PD supercharger setup and that at the end of the day wins races!

Originally Posted by bcfromfl (Post 3622892)

I'm not one to condemn innovation, and I'm interested to see where this project goes...although the potential hood issues (and impracticality of pleasing a variety of different Z owners) may keep this within a narrow niche.

I've pondered why turbos seems to be a more popular performance option for this car than s/c, and I think it's just a raw numbers thing of more hp. If you enjoy competitive drag racing, then that's another reason to go turbo. But if the car is a daily driver, or otherwise just gets used on public roads, s/c is clearly the better choice, with its superior power band, and as was mentioned above, closer in feel to a NA engine. I owned a turbo car years ago, and did not like the power band.

I know there are also enthusiasts who like things LOUD and to announce what's under the hood audibly, but there are also others (me included) who like to remain anonymous, and not annoy the neighbors!

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 3622922)

and a pd will have a whine.

Originally Posted by bcfromfl (Post 3622892)

closer in feel to a NA engine.

Originally Posted by bullitt5897 (Post 3623012)

I understand where you are coming from. But lets break this down... Not to be combative but to critically look at the argument.

Stillen kit = $6500 new *This is the tuner kit and thus only comes as a bare minimum. This isn't an apples to apples comparison. More accurately would be to compare turn key to turn key kits Stillen starting at $7100 on sale from $8200
A2A w/ Tial = $1700
Ecutek and Map sensor = $400 *More like $450 after all said and done just for parts... Now you have to factor in a retune ~$800-$1000 for a decent tuner
Si trim = $400 *For the Si trim now you have to factor in labor... so there is a couple more hundred dollars added.
9psi pulley = $120
Return kit = $750 *now you have to ditch the fuel system from the stillen kit to upgrade to one that will handle 500+whp... That means bigger injectors and return system... More than $1000+

Total = Just under $10k * A realistic total would be well into the $12k+ range... And a hacked up kit to make it do what they promised from the get go!

RJM kit = for sake of argument $9,999.00 MSRP *Turn Key! no changes needed no upgrades needed... simplicity in its finest.

OPTIONAL:
Hood = ~$600 (FRP) Optional yeah you can buy the hood or cut the factory one...
Shipping for hood = ~$180
Paint hood = $400 to $700
Look of hood = I am doing the design so it isn't going to be half assed or ugly. If I wouldn't put it on my car you can be sure I wont send it to molds...


Here are some other things you guys haven't taken into account...
-Cost of manufacturing. (I can tell you the RJM kit costs probably double if not more than the stillen kit to make.)
-Quality components: stillen uses cast parts where as RJM is all billet. Also the water pump alone for the RJM kit costs $500 and has a life of over 3400+ hours!!! It will last longer than the water pump in your motor! think about that... The guys at RJM want the kit to last longer than your car!
-Ease of installation RJM wants the everyday DIY guy to be able to install this in his garage.
-As you mentioned Scalability. Yes they could have built a cheaper kit. but that leaves you in the same situation as GAMMA and STILLEN buying all these parts to make them do what they advertised to do. RJM are a bunch of VQ owners they know what you guys want and I can tell you the difference between stage 1 and stage 2 is not much $$$... They built this kit for you to grow into not have to replace everything...

I know this because I am on their development calls and meetings. I am often the voice of the forums and if you guys bring something up it is most definitely heard in the development meetings. They have them every week... Yes the hood is a concern and they have been 3D printing like mad men to mock everything up. They have talked about adjustable motor mounts or new motor mounts but that goes down the slippery slope of adding more cost overall... Because now the every day guy cant install it in his garage... Honestly from all the input they have taken plus the preliminary flow testing you guys are going to be pleasantly surprised.

Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 3623724)

Are you saying you dont have to tune the RJM kit? So you dont have to add your $800 to $1000 to it? and come on, $800 to $1000 for a tune? Who does your tuning, Jesus himself?

Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 3623724)

Are you saying you dont have to tune the RJM kit? So you dont have to add your $800 to $1000 to it? and come on, $800 to $1000 for a tune? Who does your tuning, Jesus himself?

Originally Posted by bullitt5897 (Post 3623012)

I understand where you are coming from. But lets break this down... Not to be combative but to critically look at the argument.

Stillen kit = $6500 new *This is the tuner kit and thus only comes as a bare minimum. This isn't an apples to apples comparison. More accurately would be to compare turn key to turn key kits Stillen starting at $7100 on sale from $8200
A2A w/ Tial = $1700
Ecutek and Map sensor = $400 *More like $450 after all said and done just for parts... Now you have to factor in a retune ~$800-$1000 for a decent tuner
Si trim = $400 *For the Si trim now you have to factor in labor... so there is a couple more hundred dollars added.
9psi pulley = $120
Return kit = $750 *now you have to ditch the fuel system from the stillen kit to upgrade to one that will handle 500+whp... That means bigger injectors and return system... More than $1000+

Total = Just under $10k * A realistic total would be well into the $12k+ range... And a hacked up kit to make it do what they promised from the get go!

RJM kit = for sake of argument $9,999.00 MSRP *Turn Key! no changes needed no upgrades needed... simplicity in its finest.

OPTIONAL:
Hood = ~$600 (FRP) Optional yeah you can buy the hood or cut the factory one...
Shipping for hood = ~$180
Paint hood = $400 to $700
Look of hood = I am doing the design so it isn't going to be half assed or ugly. If I wouldn't put it on my car you can be sure I wont send it to molds...


Here are some other things you guys haven't taken into account...
-Cost of manufacturing. (I can tell you the RJM kit costs probably double if not more than the stillen kit to make.)
-Quality components: stillen uses cast parts where as RJM is all billet. Also the water pump alone for the RJM kit costs $500 and has a life of over 3400+ hours!!! It will last longer than the water pump in your motor! think about that... The guys at RJM want the kit to last longer than your car!
-Ease of installation RJM wants the everyday DIY guy to be able to install this in his garage.
-As you mentioned Scalability. Yes they could have built a cheaper kit. but that leaves you in the same situation as GAMMA and STILLEN buying all these parts to make them do what they advertised to do. RJM are a bunch of VQ owners they know what you guys want and I can tell you the difference between stage 1 and stage 2 is not much $$$... They built this kit for you to grow into not have to replace everything...

I know this because I am on their development calls and meetings. I am often the voice of the forums and if you guys bring something up it is most definitely heard in the development meetings. They have them every week... Yes the hood is a concern and they have been 3D printing like mad men to mock everything up. They have talked about adjustable motor mounts or new motor mounts but that goes down the slippery slope of adding more cost overall... Because now the every day guy cant install it in his garage... Honestly from all the input they have taken plus the preliminary flow testing you guys are going to be pleasantly surprised.

Originally Posted by milkcow500 (Post 3623741)

Road tune - ~300
Dyno tune - ~500
Flex fuel tune - ~800

You can actually grab a brand new stillen kit for under their asking price if you make a few calls (~5500).

You can also do what the Q50 guys are doing and hit 500whp on the stock kit with just upgraded injectors, frozen boost upgrade, and air filter replacement.

BP kit is still bae though, but no love for 7at.