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zguynate 10-12-2015 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3325364)
I'm super excited to get these behind us and then start building this intercooler I have designed in my head. I'm trying to make it cool enough that people already rocking an expensive kick *** complete turbo kit on their car are tempted to buy mine as an upgrade. Hopefully what I have in mind will work out.

Im listening.... and waiting patiently on more news on this.

phunk 10-12-2015 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 37winner (Post 3326505)
This is sweet. I just saw and read this. Was building the manifolds a pain in the butt? I'm asking cause I've tackled a tubular manifold design earlier, and it's been a difficult journey but it's all coming together.

Keep up the awesome work man!

Oh here is mine if you want to see.

A huge PITA!

Nice work!

whiteZ34 10-12-2015 04:48 PM

With more individual products like this coming into the market this will make our platform much easier to personalize your build..this product may help me in my quest of switching to twin turbo by piecing my own kit together without having to buy a complete kit....oh how my brain wonders in all the joys lol:stirthepot::excited:

phunk 10-14-2015 11:46 AM

Some pretty cool news... Our very first test-set of manifolds that we built over a year ago (on a friends 350z for about 20,000 miles now) just hit the dyno at Dynosty to get a retune of it's Haltech this morning. It made 884rwhp Dynojet (23psi E85 9:1 C/R) with a pair of GT30s, stopping as the fuel injectors and fuel pump both ran out about simultaneously. Justin, being considerate of his DE oil pump, had Dynosty keep the rev limiter low, and all this was done with just 7000rpm.

So we have some positive looking preliminary test results here and some testament to our fabrication durability as well.

Those manifolds fit up only slightly different than the latest version, which is why I stated we are not sure yet if our current manifolds will fit the Z33 chassis (they probably will).

BTW the tuner at Dynosty (Hal) commented that Justin had completely filled the full throttle logging since his last visit a year ago. The Haltech in Justin's car stores 30 minutes of full throttle logging. The car is driven almost daily and has somewhere around 20,000 miles on its current setup, and the engine is a CJM long block that was built in 2004 with about 70,000 miles on it now. Last year when building the turbo manifolds for it, Justin removed the upper oil pan and slid-in some fresh main and rod bearings just for peace of mind... but ultimately its a 10-year old long block. VQ > All.

whiteZ34 10-14-2015 12:28 PM

Soooo lets get this production going! Lol 1 set of manifolds and an intercooler please :stirthepot:

phunk 10-14-2015 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by whiteZ34 (Post 3328082)
Soooo lets get this production going! Lol 1 set of manifolds and an intercooler please :stirthepot:

I should have some more cool pictures to share later this evening

phunk 10-14-2015 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3328143)
I should have some more cool pictures to share later this evening

Well it was a long day and I got tired fast, but I said I would share pictures so I will post at least something. Here is the first production recirculated downpipe.

Also attached is a dyno graph from this morning.. I stand corrected, they were only spinning it to 7000.

whiteZ34 10-15-2015 05:11 PM

Phunk, will these be capatible with any exhaust system? Mounting at the factory locations? Also what possible sizes will the down pipes be offered in?

phunk 10-15-2015 05:29 PM

They will bolt up to standard cat-back location so any bolt-in cat-back exhaust for the car will fit. The downpipes are 3" and then taper to 2.5" at the end for the compatible exhaust flange.

whiteZ34 10-15-2015 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3328881)
They will bolt up to standard cat-back location so any bolt-in cat-back exhaust for the car will fit. The downpipes are 3" and then taper to 2.5" at the end for the compatible exhaust flange.

Would you consider a full 3" set also?

Chuck33079 10-15-2015 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by whiteZ34 (Post 3328896)
Would you consider a full 3" set also?


This.

phunk 10-15-2015 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by whiteZ34 (Post 3328896)
Would you consider a full 3" set also?

Does anyone make a bolt-on 3" exhaust for the car that doesnt require proprietary testpipes or downpipes? Because 3" tube is not exactly compatible with the flange. It would require a custom version of the flange and bolts spaced/oval-ed out. If nobody makes an exhaust for it anyway, then fabrication would be required no matter how we shipped it.

But otherwise, we have no reason to object! I would gladly make it whatever size someone needs. But I do not believe there would be any bolt-in 3" catback option anyway, until we make one.

whiteZ34 10-15-2015 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3328911)
Does anyone make a bolt-on 3" exhaust for the car that doesnt require proprietary testpipes or downpipes? Because 3" tube is not exactly compatible with the flange. It would require a custom version of the flange and bolts spaced/oval-ed out. If nobody makes an exhaust for it anyway, then fabrication would be required no matter how we shipped it.

But otherwise, we have no reason to object! I would gladly make it whatever size someone needs. But I do not believe there would be any bolt-in 3" catback option anyway, until we make one.

Well i am going to switch over to a 3" fast intentions exhaust once I have enough money lol. If I were to switch to TT setup and with these manifolds, my own personal opinion would be a full 3" set up. AAM also has a 3" cat back

jwick 10-15-2015 07:17 PM

Chuck's FI exhaust is 3" and it sure appears to terminate at the standard cat pipe flange

whiteZ34 10-15-2015 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3328945)
Chuck's FI exhaust is 3" and it sure appears to terminate at the standard cat pipe flange

Yes, if I remember correctly FI's 3" exhaust is just like their 2.5 system. Cat back. Also I believe AAM's system is the same. I know for sure that FI offers a full turbo back 3" setup with that exhaust

phunk 10-15-2015 07:27 PM

I will have to investigate and verify their 3" duals use standard flange layout and are not just proprietary for their turbo kits. If so, than we would be happy to just leave it 3", it's actually less work to build them that way.

Chuck33079 10-15-2015 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3328956)
I will have to investigate and verify their 3" duals use standard flange layout and are not just proprietary for their turbo kits. If so, than we would be happy to just leave it 3", it's actually less work to build them that way.


Mine is mated to a set of gtm 3" downpipes, so I'm going to guess its the standard flange layout.

phunk 10-15-2015 07:32 PM

Alright, well I can laser cut some custom flanges with 3" openings in them, and it will fixture up to our downpipe jig just the same and we can put whatever size someone needs at the tail of the downpipe.

phunk 10-17-2015 07:43 PM

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VQZ34nismo 10-18-2015 12:37 PM

Charles are you doing a open dump setup as well?


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phunk 10-18-2015 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by VQZ34nismo (Post 3330234)
Charles are you doing a open dump setup as well?


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Yes we can do that no problem

roplusbee 10-19-2015 06:36 AM

Will there be any MHI 20G/25G options or Garrett only? I may have been motivated to acquire another 370z and keep what I have.

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phunk 10-19-2015 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by roplusbee (Post 3330492)
Will there be any MHI 20G/25G options or Garrett only? I may have been motivated to acquire another 370z and keep what I have.

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There won't be any MHI options directly from us. But if you talk to a turbo builder like Forced Performance, ATP, or Precision, they might have the ability to build something that works, I am not sure.

A turbo just needs to have a Tial turbine housing to be compatible. The housings are made for Garretts.

whiteZ34 10-19-2015 07:25 PM

Updated pics are sexy, phunk!!!!! Any idea for pricing at all?

phunk 10-19-2015 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by whiteZ34 (Post 3330942)
Updated pics are sexy, phunk!!!!! Any idea for pricing at all?

Pricing is pretty much set, but I am waiting to announce the pricing all at once for the manifolds, turbos, downpipes, wastegates... even though the parts will be available separately, I want people to see a clear picture of where they are headed for final turbo system costs and how our pricing will compare to purchasing an entire turn-key system from another manufacturer.

TTZ34 10-19-2015 09:05 PM

Charles How long more are you thinking. I waiting on yours before I pull the trigger on my set up!

phunk 10-19-2015 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TTZ34 (Post 3331018)
Charles How long more are you thinking. I waiting on yours before I pull the trigger on my set up!

Well, I suppose I only need to just sit down for a couple hours and get the final pieces into the spreadsheet and check pricing on a couple different turbo combos. I cannot get the motor mount bracket or heater tube in the pricing yet since we are only just about to build them, but I can estimate what they will cost. Perhaps towards the end of this week I can post up the pricing information.

jwick 10-20-2015 07:42 AM

Plunk

Is your setup going to require a knuckle be placed in the steering column or does everything for with it in the current position?

TTZ34 10-20-2015 10:05 AM

^^^ yes wondering this as well

Boost4ever 10-20-2015 11:47 AM

The steering knuckle would have to be replaced if you were running an internal wastegate. That is not the case with this setup so I doubt the steering knuckle will need to be replaced

phunk 10-20-2015 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3331184)
Plunk

Is your setup going to require a knuckle be placed in the steering column or does everything for with it in the current position?

"Plunk" lol! The OEM steering knuckle was installed when we mounted the driver side turbo, so there will be no clearance issues with it.

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Originally Posted by Boost4ever (Post 3331338)
The steering knuckle would have to be replaced if you were running an internal wastegate. That is not the case with this setup so I doubt the steering knuckle will need to be replaced

You could fit an internal wastegate without having to change the knuckle by locating the turbo further forward and/or higher up. But of course that doesnt apply to our manifolds anyway since these are just for the Tial housings.

whiteZ34 10-20-2015 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3330968)
Pricing is pretty much set, but I am waiting to announce the pricing all at once for the manifolds, turbos, downpipes, wastegates... even though the parts will be available separately, I want people to see a clear picture of where they are headed for final turbo system costs and how our pricing will compare to purchasing an entire turn-key system from another manufacturer.

I am very curious to see the pricing haha

jwick 10-20-2015 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3331370)
"Plunk" lol! The OEM steering knuckle was installed when we mounted the driver side turbo, so there will be no clearance issues with it.

Gotta love tapatalk typos!

I guess I should have phrased my questions differently. Do we 'have' to have the aftermarket knuckle (like on the GTM or FI kit) or will it fit without modifying the steering column?

phunk 10-20-2015 02:10 PM

Again, There are no clearance issues with the OEM steering knuckle. It was installed while we were building the manifold, so we built around it.

phunk 10-20-2015 03:56 PM

EDIT: old pricing estimates are no longer relevant... much has changed since this point.

iBenJAMM1N 10-20-2015 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3331498)
Preliminary Pricing Plans:

Manifold Set: $2350
Manifold-To-Turbine Clamp Pair: $50 (required unless you have them already)
Re-circulated Downpipe Set: $995 (Any size 2.5" - 3.0")
Open-Dump Downpipe Set: $945 (Any size 2.5" - 3.0")
Additional o2 Bungs: $10 Each

Driver-Side Motor Mount Bracket: $TBD$
Driver-Side Heater Pipe: $TBD$
Oil Manifold & Line Kit: $TBD$
Water Line Kit: $TBD$

Wastegates, Tial MV-S, Pair: $550

Turbos- There are many compatible turbo options. Straight Garretts, HTAs, Xona Rotors, etc. But just to give a couple examples:
GT2860RS, Pair w/ Turbine Housings: $2330
GTX3076R, Pair w/ Turbine Housings: $3840
GTX3582R, Pair w/ Turbine Housings: $4700

Turbo compressor housings for larger turbos will likely need to have the outlet cut off with a forward facing elbow welded on. This is rather common for turbo kits in cars with tight engine bays. We would perform this for turbos purchased from us.

So a combination of manifolds, GT28 turbos, open dump downpipes, wastegates, is adding up to $6175. This is not yet including the heater pipe and motor mount bracket, or turbo oil and coolant line kit.

Or if looking for a 1000-1100rwhp combo with the GTX3076R, $7685 for the same combo.


In for full turbo kit pricing :)

phunk 10-20-2015 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by iBenJAMM1N (Post 3331526)
In for full turbo kit pricing :)

For now, the manifolds, turbos, downpipes, wastegates, and oil/coolant line combos are all we are building.

Next up will be the intercooler kit, which I would expect to see in anywhere from 2-4 months. The intercooler kit will include the intercooler-to-throttle body tubes.

We might be stopping there. At least, that is currently as far ahead as we are planning for now. We might do full turbo kits eventually, but it hasnt been in the plans so far.

TexasZ34 10-20-2015 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3331536)
For now, the manifolds, turbos, downpipes, wastegates, and oil/coolant line combos are all we are building.

Next up will be the intercooler kit, which I would expect to see in anywhere from 2-4 months. The intercooler kit will include the intercooler-to-throttle body tubes.

We might be stopping there. At least, that is currently as far ahead as we are planning for now. We might do full turbo kits eventually, but it hasnt been in the plans so far.

Honestly with all the things you have listed your on your way to a "CJM TT Kit" Now when you add the intercooler, the oil pan you released earlier and your fuel system your there and that's what I'm waiting for!!!! I'm a catalog buyer if I can get all the things I need from 1 company I will.

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phunk 10-20-2015 06:13 PM

Oh, I weighed the completed passenger manifold and we are still 10oz lighter than the cast Greddy unit! LOL

phunk 10-20-2015 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TexasZ34 (Post 3331560)
Honestly with all the things you have listed your on your way to a "CJM TT Kit" Now when you add the intercooler, the oil pan you released earlier and your fuel system your there and that's what I'm waiting for!!!! I'm a catalog buyer if I can get all the things I need from 1 company I will.

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After the intercooler kit is done, custom turbo-to-intercooler and air filter tubes will still have to be built... and of course custom tuning for each car will have to be done.

Perhaps further down the road will be a complete bolt-in tuner kit... but I wouldnt want to imply that it would be any time soon or that we are even working on it.

We are really aiming more at the custom build market, without really trying to get into the DIY or turn-key segment. But after we are all done with all current projects, its a possible later step. Who knows what the future holds. But for now manifolds and downpipes are all we are offering, along with compatible wastegates and turbos for them.


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