Get the new Ducati. The Z is cool and all but there's really no comparison, and I'm only rocking a 2009 848.:happydance:

Better yet get an old Ducati. Like a 1098R. Those are f-ing awesome and they're a million times more iconic than the new 1299 ones.:yum:

I was gonna get a 2012 848 evo corse se

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For some reason I'm not a fan of Duc's or Harleys..They look real nice but I don't ever see myself buying one. I like the ninjas and cbr though.

YzGyz

1. You guys are up way too early.
2. I think the cbr looks way to generic 600 and the 1000
3. I'm going back to bed

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I'm night shift so.... as for rhe cbr, ehh.. it looks nice but I I think thewhole package is nicely put ty together. Duc's like Harleys can be a hit or miss in reliability.

YzGyz

Maintenance on a Duc is valve clearance check/shimming every 7500 miles, plus the usual crap you get on any bike. This is where the "unreliability" reputation comes in... usually from people who don't like to keep up with maintenance and in almost every case have never owned a Duc.;)

Minsu: Make sure you get one with an aluminum tank (848 corse SE might have that if I remember correctly, but the 1198SP definitely does). The only real issue with these bikes is the plastic tanks (not even made by Ducati) deforming over time because of an ethanol reaction.

You can always get an aprilia, :D or the "pull me over" chrome edition h2r

Riding a Japanese sport bike is like driving an American muscle car IMO.

They're fast, affordable, decently reliable, and make a lot of sense. They're also extremely common and pretty soulless/boring once you get past the honeymoon phase. If you've ridden one inline 4 you've ridden them all...

I ride a Ducati instead of a Yamahondakawazuki for the same reason I drive a 370 instead of a Mustang; because it's got something the other cars/bikes just lack. I can ride up next to any CBR/GSXR/R1 or whatever that's faster than my bike and nobody gives a ****... all eyes are on the Duc. Same as pulling my 370 up next to a Boss 302, STI, or ZL1... the Z has something special the others just don't.

True, I have never rode or owned one I admit. I only know from my readings.

As for 20k for a TT build should be plenty. My build thread shows a breakdown of what it cost for my build including tools and nick knacks along the way. Give or take a few hundred and I rounded up and down.

YzGyz

I believe you got a good deal on it. And someone else may get a similar deal. We are trying to be realistic.
$9295 AAM TT Tuner Kit sale price
$1142 Spec Twin Disk Clutch sale price
$399 Z1 Flywheel
$628 34 Row Thermostatic Setrab Oil cooler
$600 Uprev and 2hrs of tuning
$1595 AAM 3" Catback sale price
$660 AAM Fuel Return system sale price
$458 Z1 Slave Cylinder Elimination
$260 2-Guages A/F and Boost
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$15,037 Total
Does not include:
Oil+filter, Coolant, Transmission Fluid, Gauge mounts, Tax and/or shipping, and installation.
And I don't think any 1 person can install all that in little more then 1 day. More like 2 guys 2 days. That alone will throw the cost up ~$3k.

Not to mention the VLSD will, when it sees 400tq, just pack it's bags and go on a vacation. And more power = more speed, one might want a little better brakes pads and fluid.

Like everyone has stated, count on 20k all said and done. Tony told me that last year when I called him and asked how much I am looking at all said and done and I thought FOR SURE I'd be below that number. I was sooooo wrong, I'm at 20k now and counting....

There's a difference between adding engine horsepower and getting that power to the ground. If you want to become a track junkie, you will probably want $20K or so for as many upgrades as you can do plus another $5-10K for contingency (catastrophe). For most people first getting on a track, the stock hp is plenty to get your feet wet - you might start there first while you save funds. With some practice, you will eventually need upgraded suspension and other elements to make the most of your TT power. If you just want to go fast at the drag strip or just want that sexy BOV hiss, you could probably skip some of the ancillary upgrades and do TT for closer to $15K, though you will still want to keep $5-10K around just in case something goes wrong.