*New* parts coming??
 

The aftermarket seems really slow for the 370Z, and I would think more companys would be developing cool new parts such as intake manifolds, maybe new TB/TB spacer, cams, Torque dampener (Ingalls ETD) etc...

The 370Z is a beautiful looking car with a great motor that seems to respond really well with intake/exhaust. I know the VVEL is being a pain for tuning, but is that whats slowing down R&D on exciting new parts?

there's already more parts out for the 370z than the G37... so hold ur horses

i want to say maybe the economy :confused:

ya, thats what I thought too, with the poor economy its no wonder some parts for this car are soo expense.

cant make a spacer for our intake manifold cause its not made like the other vq's manifold (g35, 350z) however kenetix is working on an aftermarket manifold for us. and as far as tuning goes. get a cobb access port till something crazy comes out

When the economy was better and companies were making more money, a lot of the larger ones would just buy a car themselves and develop parts off of it. These days they rely on customers to drop their cars off for R&D and the amount of people who can leave their car with a company for weeks or months at a time is very slim. It also costs a lot of money to R&D a new part and vehicle sales aren't very high so its a big mix of situations revolving around nobody having any expendable cash. Just a sign of the times.

Its def sad what the economy has done to everything, Im excited to see the kenetix intake manifold when ever it comes out.

the 370z is a lot more locked up than the 350z so it costs more to do the same things. Companies need more R&D work to get the parts working. You can't change the gearing without screwing up the SRM, Due to the VVEL assembly there are no cams to upgrade, roots blowers are harder to adapt because the throttlebodies are open most of the time now and it would never see vaccum.

Once some good ecu tuning software or a replacement ecu is released you'll start seeing more parts hitting the market.

If that's true, then how are they running power brakes and so on?

One part I saw that stillen made for the 350Z was a torque dampener, I had one installed on my 07 Civic Si (ingalls etd) and I def noticed a difference. I hope stillen is planning on making one for the 370Z.

I e-mailed Ingalls about a possible 370Z ETD and they responded with "No plans for that vehicle at this time". So I guess Stillen is our only hope for a 370Z torque dampener :(

Why would one want to exacerbate the NVH of the engine into the passenger compartment?

I barely felt the vibration in my last car, and the throttle response was real sharp. Different cars I know, but they made it for the 350z, so why not the 370Z? The 2 parts I'm really looking foward to are the F.I. Headers and the possible kenetix intake manifold.

f.i headers are going to be released soon, takes time to bend all the pipes and then make a jig

The justification to spend the time (and money) in R&D is just not there. Nowadays, this industry as a whole is slow. Couple that to a car that is still new to market, and does not have tons of units sold yet (especialyl relative to the previous model) and it becomes pretty clear that things will be this way for quite some time.

I don't think you will ever see cams sold for the car at all - simply far too costly to develop. Nissan has so far 0 competition plans with the new car, which means blanks will not be offered for those who have the means to grind their own cam. Forging your own blanks is simply far too cost prohibitive, as there is a miniscule market for those who would buy them.

Throttle body spacers are certainly easy to do, but utterly useless (zero performance gain, their only advantage would be for forced induction guys looking for a nice and easy way to install a boost gauge). Intake manifold development is extremely time consuming and costly, and given the lack of fully programmable ecu's for the car, would not offer any real gain for any developer.

The previous Z's never needed a torque dampener, neither do the new ones. Civic Si, different story - the factory mounts are very soft on that car (we have one, so I know that car pretty well too ;)

On the cam's issue - I saw a video recently where the VVEL can be adjusted outside of some spec's by adjusting each valve. There's an adjustment screw that changes the max lift or something along those lines.

Skip to 1:35 of this video:



The whole thing is interesting, but, 1:35 talks about the adjustment I mentioned. Perhaps in the future there might be something there, but, I for one, will not be touching that!

Thanks for this post. I have always been curious as to how the vvel actually works the changing lift, I mean in theory i understood but actually seeing it makes it clear. Thanks again and have a free rep point.

Kinetix is vapourware. Their reputation is nothing short of horrible and their products lost power on 350Zs more often than not.

Many are anxious to see further development of long-tube headers, that is if anything is ever materialized. Power-gains should be impressive, not to mention the difference in sound.

Thanks guys, that clears things up alot. It seems to me that there will not be a whole lot of parts released for the 370, but the parts that do get released will be of high "Quality" such as the stillen G3 intakes (15-20rwhp) & F.I. Exhaust (15-20rwhp) etc...

No intake on the planet is going to legitimately net you 15-20 whp while keeping fuel trims happy (no need to post the link, I've read about the stillen one (we're a dealer of theirs as well ;) ) Yes, you may see a peak gain of that much power at some point in the rpm range, but it will be at the expense of fuel trims. In the short term it means the car will see some nice gains. However as its driven and the ecu dials things back, those gains will diminish. Ultimately some form of ecu work will be needed to keep the ecu happy and the gains more consistant. Certainly a nicely made intake that will compliment other basic bolt on mods

^I went from :) to :( after reading that

Modding a modern car is not about adding 1 singular part. If that's your goal, or expectations, then an older car is your best bet. Modern cars have highly adaptive ecu's that operate within very narrow parameters. Keeping the ecu happy is the key towards sustainable, consistant performance.

I'm sure by SEMA (November) there should be some more stuff out on the market. My goals are either 350whp with bolt-ons/"real" tune or 450whp with stillen supercharger, not sure yet tho

at the risk of being branded a pessimist, I wouldn't hold your breath. Most of the big players in the marketplace aren't even showing at SEMA this year

Dang, your pretty negative about the 370Z, makes me almost think I should have waited for the Camaro :(

I'm realistic, not negative

I've noticed that anyone here who is a realist and doesn't have their head in the clouds gets labeled as negative, or better yet...a hater! LOL.

It'll come out eventually but as a negative pessimist i can say that stuff for our car will cost more, take longer to get to market, net less power per dollar, and if your looking for a hopped up super fast balls out power platform yes you should have gotten a camaro. BUT when our cars are done right with good mods making decent horsepower they are far better than a camaro done up because they are more exclusive, that much harder to make that nice so in the end we'll be near exotic and a camaro owner will have a muscle car. The Z is the poor man's Porsche and the camaro is a bad @$$ cavalier take your pick.

Basically agree and purchased the Z for exactly as you say. Passed on the Camaro because it's kinda butt ugly, way too heavy and GM cars don't seem to be very well built when it's all said n done. Decent muscle car with a lot of straight line potential, but handles poorly.

Between a rock and a hard spot.

Frankly at this time not exactly jumping for joy on the 370Z gains and how buggy the mods have been. Still getting some strange noises underneath the car from the Stillen exhaust which ending up being cut in half and then rewelded it so it wouldn't bang. Guess it needs another look after two trips to an exhaust shop. The AccesPort tuning only works on fuel/air and on its own is pulling out midrange timing. Got exactly zero gains from dyno tuning at Cobb loosing midrange power in the process. Hell of a deal.

The cars for me anyway are difficult to see out of and mine gets horrible gas mileage in the city.

Expected a few bugs, but not Godzilla big enough to eat Tokyo. Holding off on going to the track as I refuse to run a car unless it's 100% to its potential.

Giving the car a chance but if things don't turn around; a new Grand Sport LS3 Corvette with headers, tune and a cam is looking real good to me. Something that is easy to mod, gets huge gains and say what you want.... fun to drive and pretty bad *** cars. People are making over 500 at the wheel just with those mods. No kidding. Still cheaply built though.

I wouldn't get a Vette and frankly I can't think of anything I would rather have within this price range. Vettes are fast, but I can't get over how disconnected and cheap they feel. Maybe in a year or so I could look at a used 09 Cayman, but I'd be in the same situation as the Z with much more expensive parts to buy.

I think its the best car under 50k and its not exactly "bad" so I'm keeping mine. Also I think the tuning aspect will change once we crack the system. There's always FI too. A little more power, some nice wheels, a carbon nismo kit and I'll be a happy camper.

Is it just a matter of time till someone cracks the VVEL system?

Doing a cam change with a laptop is one hell of a lot more appealing than taking a week to just get the grease out from under your fingernails. If it actually works that way. For sure I'm hanging on till the verdict comes in.

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Finally figured out why I had so much trouble with the C4 or my 69 427....they were crappy built cars. Not that they were over modded or overbuilt, just not reliable cars to start with. Completely passed on a C5 for the quality issues. The seats were good for about 15-25 k before the leather wore though.

Will have to say though the evolution of LSx engine is outstanding in every way. Rented a new C6 about a month ago and drove around Dana Point on hwy 1. Don't get me wrong, 370's are fun cars to drive, a hell of a hit for the money and driving one puts a grin on my face. However, the Vette engine overcomes a lot of issues. The acceleration over 60mph is what really gets your attention as they feel as strong 60-90 mph as the Z does 40-70 mph. Now, if they just didn't fall apart.

^ I agree, the torque on that motor is very addictive, but even after driving a C6 Z06, I still feel like what I'm telling it to do is being translated into a different language and then back before it reaches the car. Also the interior...its unbelievably bad in ANY trim. Even the ZR1 is a mess.

I will have to disagree...the interior on the '08+ Vette, even without the optional 4LT/Z extended leather, is worlds better than early C6s. I wouldn't say they are bad at all, and my brother's with 25K on the clock doesn't have a single rattle or squeak. Sure the seats and leather-quality leave a lot to be desired, but the overall build and feel of the interior is perfectly fine. Take into consideration that no other car under $120K performs even close to it.

The interior quality and materials in a C6 are on the same level as the 370Z. Sure, there is quite a price gap, but that doesn't come without a gap in performance as well...

thats it it's official you need to be the first guy on here to do an LS swap.

Edit: Although I will not accept anything less than an ls7,x,9. Definitely not the new camaro engine either. In fact NO camaro engines or you will be tried for treason.

I'll agree, the previous Vette's were certainly lacking in the interior department, but the 08's are very nice and tidy inside

Came this close () to buying a 09 Z51 for $43K and some change which was sitting on a dealers floor across the street from the Nissan dealer. Chevy was offering a employee $10K discount. Instead, ordered a 370Z sport model that I believe was around $33k and placed an $8k deposit. They had one located and the car was to be there in two days. Two weeks later no car.

Being there was a hot rodded C4 sitting in the garage it just wasn't good karma with the wife to bring another Vette home. However two weeks later no car so called the Nissan dealer up to cancel the order. The Nissan dealer countered with a $3K discount on a Touring/Sport model for $37.5K. Auh....OK.

The Touring level trim with navigation certainly is nicer, but pragmatically only a $6k price difference which I'm already close to spending on 370Z mods. Now we have apples to apples on the money, about 40 hp less even after mods but with a bit nicer interior.

Sounds like a rock and a hard spot. Still had a lot of Vett problems though.

I still respectfully disagree guys, I don't really see much of a difference between a new pickup truck interior and the interior of the new vettes. Seems like they vetterized the interior of an avalanche or something. You bring up the price tag... there's NO doubt the Z06 and any vette for that matter is amazing bang for the buck. While it is a matter of materials as well, its more so a matter of interior design and look. There's painted plastic everywhere! I think they could do a MUCH better job with the same budget if they simply took a more european approach to it. Don't get me started on the seats either... If it weren't for these things, I'd be strolling around in a Vette for sure.

As for the LSx swap...not a bad idea. I know theres a few LSx Z33's out there that perform beautifully. Great motor, very light weight too. I wouldn't be surprised if a newer LSx motor would be lighter than our V6. Wouldn't have to go FI, less moving parts, more torque, fitting it shouldnt be much of a problem and you can pick one up for not that much... May not be that bad of an Idea...

You guys are funny. The interior of
my c6 is way better than the 350z it replaced. Sure the 370 is nicer, but it's also a newer design. Plus you can easily mod the vette and get significant gains. You can even reprogram the stock ecu to handle FI without a piggyback.

An LS7 370Z would be awesome...there are several making close to 650 RWHP in Corvettes NA. Then again...you could just save all the money and headache of such a project and just buy a Z06. I would also agree...I'm sure an LS7 weighs less than the VQ. There was a lot of controversy when LS1 FD RX-7s were popping up over 6 years ago, with people thinking the engines were so heavy. Turned out even an LS1 was only marginally heavier than the FD's 13B with the turbos.

If the Corvette doesn't meet your refined tastes for an interior, you can always send the car to Caravaggio and he can set off a leather/Alcantara bomb in it...

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