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DEpointfive0 04-11-2013 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 2262316)
i could care less about the "purist" feel. it's all about performance and function over "form" lol
Well, I have a 7AT and I think it's amazing...
BUT here are the downfalls of AT,

It weighs more
It costs more to replace
It can't take as much HP
It overheats
No lightweight flywheel
EDIT: Oh, and they lose more HP through the drivetrain

critical 04-11-2013 02:50 PM
7AT because arthritis :)

FPenvy 04-11-2013 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2262331)
Well, I have a 7AT and I think it's amazing...
BUT here are the downfalls of AT,

It weighs more
It costs more to replace
It can't take as much HP
It overheats
No lightweight flywheel
EDIT: Oh, and they lose less HP through the drivetrain
shhhhhhhh! don't let these 6MT guys there's drawbacks lol

:ugh2:

but i havent had any overheating issues so far.

kenchan 04-11-2013 02:53 PM
i think the AT's on the nissans are cool because the paddles are stationary on the steering column :tup:

(mine's MT).

FPenvy 04-11-2013 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2262336)
i think the AT's on the nissans are cool because the paddles are stationary on the steering column :tup:

(mine's MT).
same ones they put in the GTR.....actually they are the exact ones lol

XwChriswX 04-11-2013 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Haboob (Post 2262304)
It's just a purist feel.

However, for me it gives my left leg something to do. I've had surgery on it and if it just sits there it goes completely numb, then feels like it's burning from the inside (stupid nerves).

A clutch pedal fixes that, giving it something to do and keep in motion somewhat.
I'd be hard pressed to have this being the determining factor... I've rode with manual Z's and now that my AT's been tuned, its a minute difference over a manual shift. The only difference is the lag between dropping power, and picking power back up. A human being simply can not shift as fast as the AT. So if anything, it's still quicker. I still feel just as connected to the car. I think this mindset works for 70's-80's even 90's era MT vs ATs, but with modern ATs, I don't think there is as much of a gap between them anymore.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Haboob (Post 2262307)
...And everyone is going AT. Us MT guys just want to be different.




Maybe it makes the car harder to steal (w/o a flatbed) too, as most kids/thieves don't know how to drive stick. :icon17: <--- not sure if it's true, but kind of funny.
Trust me, if someone wants to steal your car, your car won't be there in the morning. And if in the attempt they figure out they Can't steal it, they will 1. f*** up all the internals, and 2 trash the hell out of it just because.

You also forget that most of the people who steal cars also drive late 80's early 90's hondas, which were primarily manual... :ugh2:

Quote:
Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 2262316)
i could care less about the "purist" feel. it's all about performance and function over "form" lol
To be honest Frank, I agree with you on most cases, but in this point... Gotta disagree. If you want performance and ease of function/fixing, Manual is better for power. :ugh2:

Quote:
Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2262331)
Well, I have a 7AT and I think it's amazing...
BUT here are the downfalls of AT,

It weighs more
It costs more to replace
It can't take as much HP
It overheats
No lightweight flywheel
EDIT: Oh, and they lose less HP through the drivetrain
1. Given
2. Given
3. Gonna have to see what the AT's can handle after they've been effectively modded the same as manuals are with upgraded clutch/flywheels/etc. Though stock for stock, given.
4. Data to support this?
5. No clutch pedal either. So is the weight difference (flywheel only) really going to have a dramatic impact on a 3300lb car?

FPenvy 04-11-2013 03:03 PM
7AT here......this is all you need to see lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XQgKq0H55Q

NickTurnon 04-11-2013 03:06 PM
I can't downshift into 1st when in manual mode because I don't want my ears to bleed and I wouldn't want to break anyones windshield behind me with the sonic boom!

FPenvy 04-11-2013 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by NickTurnon (Post 2262365)
I can't downshift into 1st when in manual mode because I don't want my ears to bleed and I wouldn't want to break anyones windshield behind me with the sonic boom!
i do that when i drop into 2nd. people usually leave me big gaps behind me at stoplights when i do that haha :bowrofl:

DEpointfive0 04-11-2013 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 2262342)
I'd be hard pressed to have this being the determining factor... I've rode with manual Z's and now that my AT's been tuned, its a minute difference over a manual shift. The only difference is the lag between dropping power, and picking power back up. A human being simply can not shift as fast as the AT. So if anything, it's still quicker. I still feel just as connected to the car. I think this mindset works for 70's-80's even 90's era MT vs ATs, but with modern ATs, I don't think there is as much of a gap between them anymore.

Trust me, if someone wants to steal your car, your car won't be there in the morning. And if in the attempt they figure out they Can't steal it, they will 1. f*** up all the internals, and 2 trash the hell out of it just because.

To be honest Frank, I agree with you on most cases, but in this point... Gotta disagree. If you want performance and ease of function/fixing, Manual is better for power. :ugh2:

1. Given
2. Given
3. Gonna have to see what the AT's can handle after they've been effectively modded the same as manuals are with upgraded clutch/flywheels/etc. Though stock for stock, given.
4. Data to support this?
5. No clutch pedal either. So is the weight difference (flywheel only) really going to have a dramatic impact on a 3300lb car?
I agree with the first 3 things.

As for #3, you don't NEED an upgraded clutch/flywheel to deal with the extra power and if our flex plates are breaking with being NA, we're SCREWED going FI, oh and you'll for SURE need an upgraded valve body
#4, a few people on the track have had the fluid overheat on a track, and they make AT coolers, so obviously that's an issue
#5/1, the flywheel isn't the only issue, or the only reason as to why AT weighs more, there is much more complexity to the AT



Again, I'm ALL for the 7AT on THIS car over the M6, I'm happy I got the auto, and I think it's more refined, but I DO understand why you'd want a M6

kenchan 04-11-2013 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 2262340)
same ones they put in the GTR.....actually they are the exact ones lol
my push-start button is the real GTR button. :tup:

FPenvy 04-11-2013 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2262415)
my push-start button is the real GTR button. :tup:
:ugh2:

UNKNOWN_370 04-11-2013 04:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2261986)
do you AT guys like sushi?
Love it!!! Smells like fish, but tastes like chicken.





Did someone buy 7AMT's??? :tup:

http://gastatic.com/UserImages/12735...wm_4913641.jpg

kenchan 04-11-2013 04:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 2262421)
:ugh2:
you can get one too. vendors here sell them. it's easy to replace. :tup:

UNKNOWN_370 04-11-2013 04:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 2262342)
I'd be hard pressed to have this being the determining factor... I've rode with manual Z's and now that my AT's been tuned, its a minute difference over a manual shift. The only difference is the lag between dropping power, and picking power back up. A human being simply can not shift as fast as the AT. So if anything, it's still quicker. I still feel just as connected to the car. I think this mindset works for 70's-80's even 90's era MT vs ATs, but with modern ATs, I don't think there is as much of a gap between them anymore.



Trust me, if someone wants to steal your car, your car won't be there in the morning. And if in the attempt they figure out they Can't steal it, they will 1. f*** up all the internals, and 2 trash the hell out of it just because.

You also forget that most of the people who steal cars also drive late 80's early 90's hondas, which were primarily manual... :ugh2:



To be honest Frank, I agree with you on most cases, but in this point... Gotta disagree. If you want performance and ease of function/fixing, Manual is better for power. :ugh2:



1. Given
2. Given
3. Gonna have to see what the AT's can handle after they've been effectively modded the same as manuals are with upgraded clutch/flywheels/etc. Though stock for stock, given.
4. Data to support this?
5. No clutch pedal either. So is the weight difference (flywheel only) really going to have a dramatic impact on a 3300lb car?
Chris, you're making too much sense!!! Stop it. Haven't you heard, Ignorance is bliss... lol:icon17:


Quote:
Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 2262360)
7AT here......this is all you need to see lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XQgKq0H55Q
The AT is fun, it's about liking to try to do things more than one way. There's an art to driving that's beyond droppin the clutch :tup:

FPenvy 04-11-2013 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2262438)
you can get one too. vendors here sell them. it's easy to replace. :tup:
yes i know. i've used the search function once or twice here ;)

kenchan 04-11-2013 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 2262441)
yes i know. i've used the search function once or twice here ;)
then why the :ugh2:

you think your whitish stock one that glow orange :rofl2: is BETTER than the red candy? :yum: :ugh2:

FPenvy 04-11-2013 04:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2262478)
then why the :ugh2:

you think your whitish stock one that glow orange :rofl2: is BETTER than the red candy? :yum: :ugh2:
I just don't wanna touch that until its real.

Jordo! 04-11-2013 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Naum16 (Post 2261956)
Whenever i am in sport mode should i let the car downshift by itself or am i better doing it myself never could decide. Another big thing about it is it bad to push it over in sport mode whiling driving could it dang the trans.
You can downshift it if you want. You just have to learn at what speed and RPM the ECU will automatically drop it down (varies for each gear) and downshift before that -- otherwise you'll end up kicking it down a gear lower than intended.

Note that the ECU learns your shift patterns, so after driving in M mode, it may feel a bit herky-jerky in regular auto afterwards. Not something to worry about, just an FYI.

You can shift over to M while driving without hurting anything, and can even use the paddles to up or downshift while in auto mode -- it will temporarily go to M if you do that, then will revert to regular auto after a few seconds.

kenchan 04-11-2013 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 2262485)
I just don't wanna touch that until its real.
but you already got faux GTR paddles... :ugh2: you dont touch that?

you see, AT guys make no sense to me. :ugh2: :icon17: :p

FPenvy 04-11-2013 06:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2262578)
but you already got faux GTR paddles... :ugh2: you dont touch that?

you see, AT guys make no sense to me. :ugh2: :icon17: :p
Those came with it. Also they are literally the exact same ones that are in the gtr.

Sorry we don't make sense but its fun to see you MT guys in my rear view mirror ;)

kenchan 04-11-2013 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 2262587)
Sorry we don't make sense but its fun to see you MT guys in my rear view mirror ;)
were you racing wdkwang jamming his car into 1st on the expressway? :ugh2:


i kiddd wdkwang. :icon17:

FPenvy 04-11-2013 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2262594)
were you racing wdkwang jamming his car into 1st on the expressway? :ugh2:


i kiddd wdkwang. :icon17:
I am out of the loop on that joke but I laughed anyways lol

JungleZ 04-11-2013 07:26 PM
I wish i got an auto would make me feel different about this car

Bucketlist2012 04-11-2013 07:31 PM
[QUOTE=XwChriswX;2262342] I think this mindset works for 70's-80's even 90's era MT vs ATs, but with modern ATs, I don't think there is as much of a gap between them anymore.


That is for sure...I have driven older automatic muscle cars...You cannot road race them...When you downshift, there is a hesitation and then rear wheels lock up..

I would never own an older automatic Muscle car unless it was ONLY for the Quarter Mile...


But I do have the Auto 370 mainly for the Wife, but I am loving it ...Would I love the Manual more ? Maybe, but the modern tecnology of the 7AT is light years better than the old school Automatics..

UNKNOWN_370 04-11-2013 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by JungleZ (Post 2262684)
I wish i got an auto would make me feel different about this car
DON"T START JUNGLE!!!!:ban:

UNKNOWN_370 04-11-2013 08:13 PM
IMHO, Manuals are mandatory on certain types of cars. Mainly low hp cars. Because they are so friggin slow and they never put a great shiftable auto on a low hp car worth driving.

Examples:
Subaru BRZ
Scion FR-S
Hyundai gencoupe 2.0T
Mazda 2 & 3
VW Golf/Rabbit or whatever it's called now?
VW beetle
Civic Si
BMW, any model that ends with the #'s 20 or 28
Kia Forte,Rio
Hyundai Accent,Elantra

Cars like the Z, camaro and corvette, these are affordable, high powered sports cars with incredible automatics. I find more benefit in the stock Z in auto, but more benefit in a manual Z for Forced induction mods...
I like the fact that GM uses Tremec automatic transmissions that can hold up to an extra 150hp with only a better cooler and a couple more minor mods to the tranny.

AT's are so good today in some cars that it's really personal preference more than documented advantages...

JungleZ 04-11-2013 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2262715)
DON"T START JUNGLE!!!!:ban:
I know must resist! You getting the new z in stick or auto? How do you see the new manual tranny being for the car.

sparky 04-11-2013 08:25 PM
I agree with other comments on this. I drive in manual mode 99% of the time and row up and down though the gears. To me that's what it's made to do and if it breaks it's under warranty. After years of driving stick this was a nice change, especially when stuck in traffic and just pop it back into auto.
I've driven a few other cars with the tiptronic style auto but none have been as responsive as this tranny. Turn the VDC off, put it in manual and let the fun begin :happydance:

UNKNOWN_370 04-11-2013 08:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JungleZ (Post 2262745)
I know must resist! You getting the new z in stick or auto? How do you see the new manual tranny being for the car.
I already own a Z... Do you mean the next gen?

I don't know yet cuz i try to test drive both. As it stands right now I am forced to agree with you that I prefer the auto, but I definitely don't HATE the manual. I noticed on the 13 models the Z is notchy but positive. It gets into gear perfectly and is much better than the 09, 10 and 11 cars (test rove all years except 12.) If the manual felt like the 13 in 09/11. I might have been swayed. But with dummied down shocks and less steering resistance. Nissan improved the manual and downgraded two other things they had right. throw in corny DRL strip lighting and the 13 is a lose. the auto and manual might be rated for the same torque, but the auto feels like it has 30 or 40 more lbs of torque.

Thats another story though. So the answer is. right now, i do prefer my auto over the comparable year manual.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sparky (Post 2262760)
I agree with other comments on this. I drive in manual mode 99% of the time and row up and down though the gears. To me that's what it's made to do and if it breaks it's under warranty. After years of driving stick this was a nice change, especially when stuck in traffic and just pop it back into auto.
I've driven a few other cars with the tiptronic style auto but none have been as responsive as this tranny. Turn the VDC off, put it in manual and let the fun begin :happydance:
:iagree:
I'm the same way... I try to leave it in auto and im still shifting lol

kenchan 04-11-2013 09:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2262739)
IMHO, Manuals are mandatory on certain types of cars. Mainly low hp cars. Because they are so friggin slow and they never put a great shiftable auto on a low hp car worth driving.

Examples:
Subaru BRZ
Scion FR-S
Hyundai gencoupe 2.0T
Mazda 2 & 3
VW Golf/Rabbit or whatever it's called now?
VW beetle
Civic Si
BMW, any model that ends with the #'s 20 or 28
Kia Forte,Rio
Hyundai Accent,Elantra

Cars like the Z, camaro and corvette, these are affordable, high powered sports cars with incredible automatics. I find more benefit in the stock Z in auto, but more benefit in a manual Z for Forced induction mods...
I like the fact that GM uses Tremec automatic transmissions that can hold up to an extra 150hp with only a better cooler and a couple more minor mods to the tranny.

AT's are so good today in some cars that it's really personal preference more than documented advantages...

blah blah blah blah....

Naum16 04-11-2013 09:33 PM
Thanks guys dont feel bad about myself any more :)

kenchan 04-11-2013 09:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Naum16 (Post 2262891)
Thanks guys dont feel bad about myself any more :)
wat were you talking about again? :confused:


:icon17: have fun with your ride. :tup:

Haboob 04-11-2013 10:05 PM
This has turned into a pissing match... :shakes head:

Drive what you like, who cares what others think. If they say something, they're just jealous and f*ck'em.

SouthArk370Z 04-11-2013 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Naum16 (Post 2261956)
Whenever i am in sport mode should i let the car downshift by itself or am i better doing it myself never could decide.
Six of one, half a dozen of the other. With the SRM-style throttle blip and the nanny TCM, it's hard to screw up too bad. The TCM will not do anything that would destroy itself or the engine. I haven't tested it, but the manual claims that the tranny won't downshift if engine RPM would go above redline.

But I wouldn't suggest downshifting when it would take the RPM above 5000 or so on a regular basis. I nearly always wait for RPM to drop to 2100-1900 before downshifting. This will rev the engine to about 4000. If I wait too long and downshift at the same time as the tranny (~1800 RPM), it can drop down two gears and rev pretty high.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Naum16 (Post 2261956)
Another big thing about it is it bad to push it over in sport mode whiling driving could it dang the trans.
Go for it. Per the manual, you can use the paddle shifters to temporarily go into Manual/Sport mode at any time. No different when using the stick.

6MT 04-11-2013 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2262896)
wat were you talking about again? :confused:
:iagree: what's the point to this thread?

Haboob 04-11-2013 11:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 6MT (Post 2262985)
:iagree: what's the point to this thread?
Sushi.

forza370z 04-11-2013 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Haboob (Post 2262995)
Sushi.
Mmmmmm... And with extra wasabi I can downshift as fast as the auto folks due to the hotness.:tup:

UNKNOWN_370 04-11-2013 11:19 PM
I thought this thread was about someone who bought 7 AMT's. But then i read on and it was another tranny thread. :eek:

forza370z 04-11-2013 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2263023)
I thought this thread was about someone who bought 7 AMT's. But then i read on and it was another tranny thread. :eek:
LOL.:shakes head:


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