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semtex 08-04-2009 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Josh@STILLEN (Post 136502)
I've only heard 1 person out of the hundreds that have purchased mentioned the steering at a dead stop seemed to take a little more effort, but that feeling was gone after a couple of days (getting used to it)..

Most others report no change is felt at all.

Yeah I haven't felt any hugely noticeable change. I've had no issues with my steering or anything else since putting the UD pulley in.

bmarcinczyk14 08-13-2009 01:21 AM

does this underdrive pulley cause the headlights to be more dim than before considering its underdriving the alternator?

semtex 08-13-2009 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by bmarcinczyk14 (Post 149269)
does this underdrive pulley cause the headlights to be more dim than before considering its underdriving the alternator?

No. My voltage meter hasn't dipped below 14 either, which is where it was prior to the installation. I don't think there will be any adverse effects until and unless you install some monster stereo system or something.

bmarcinczyk14 08-30-2009 10:59 PM

will this have any affect on the power braking system? or does that system run off the battery, and not engine?

semtex 08-31-2009 07:23 AM

Okay, look, there are no negative effects to anything, period. None. Zero. Nada. Clear?

Shunya 08-31-2009 07:34 AM

woooo 5whp is alot considering it's coming from a lil thing like that lol

FuszNissan 08-31-2009 08:27 AM

Seems a few people have taken them off already. Don't know why? Curious to hear though

bmarcinczyk14 08-31-2009 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by FuszNissan (Post 179863)
Seems a few people have taken them off already. Don't know why? Curious to hear though

maybe because they are planning on getting a s/c and they have the underdrive pulley?

semtex 08-31-2009 01:27 PM

Or maybe they don't like what it does to the windshield wipers.

KIDDING! (Sorry, I couldn't resist.) :roflpuke2:

tcarretti 08-31-2009 01:33 PM

Semtex,

Took me a second to realize you were kidding! Good one!

Tony

Snakes709 08-31-2009 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex (Post 180136)
Or maybe they don't like what it does to the windshield wipers.

KIDDING! (Sorry, I couldn't resist.) :roflpuke2:

omg im not buying this if i messed up my wipers up....what does it do? lol...j/k. Decisions...should i buy this or G3 intake.

semtex 09-01-2009 07:27 AM

^ G3 if you're looking for big gains.

bmarcinczyk14 09-01-2009 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex (Post 181420)
^ G3 if you're looking for big gains.

would it make a difference if you used a heat shield to block off the filter from warm air, or is the filter far enough from the engine with the g3 where you dont need one?

wstar 09-01-2009 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bmarcinczyk14 (Post 182067)
would it make a difference if you used a heat shield to block off the filter from warm air, or is the filter far enough from the engine with the g3 where you dont need one?

There filters on the Stillen Gen 3 are way out in front of the radiator, inside the upper part of the front bumper. They're not directly getting heat from the engine bay at all out there, although they probably do pick up a little heat from the radiator and/or any oil cooler.

I have a bunch of parts in my garage to do a Modshack-style ducting job to bring outside air directly to the Gen 3 filters, we'll see if it makes any difference. I don't plan on trying to seal over the filters like he did though, I'm just going to route the tubing to dump cold air right on top of them.

ZKindaGuy 09-01-2009 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh@STILLEN (Post 75580)
I'm really disappointed you couldn't find a spectacular bedspread to shoot the product photos on.. boo!

Good review and excellent pics. With as much as these cars tend to run temperatures of 220 to 230 I am surprised you chose to put on an UD pulley. Thoughts on this?

semtex 09-02-2009 07:29 AM

I'm not seeing the connection. What does a UD pulley have to do with oil temps?

wstar 09-02-2009 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by semtex (Post 182986)
I'm not seeing the connection. What does a UD pulley have to do with oil temps?

He might be thinking the water pump is belt driven for some reason. I can't recall any car I've owned where that was the case (including the new Z), but I suppose some car must be set up that way.

cotizi 09-02-2009 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by wstar (Post 182128)
There filters on the Stillen Gen 3 are way out in front of the radiator, inside the upper part of the front bumper. They're not directly getting heat from the engine bay at all out there, although they probably do pick up a little heat from the radiator and/or any oil cooler.

I have a bunch of parts in my garage to do a Modshack-style ducting job to bring outside air directly to the Gen 3 filters, we'll see if it makes any difference. I don't plan on trying to seal over the filters like he did though, I'm just going to route the tubing to dump cold air right on top of them.

Check out my DIY for ducting. I think your on the money as far as dumping air infront of the filters. There's all that dead space in front of them, forcing all the air that supplies the car to come from behind.

ZKindaGuy 09-06-2009 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by wstar (Post 183020)
He might be thinking the water pump is belt driven for some reason. I can't recall any car I've owned where that was the case (including the new Z), but I suppose some car must be set up that way.

Yes I wasn't aware that the water pump on the Z is electric (I assume then?).

It isn't that "some car must be set up that way". Many cars are still set up with the serpintine belt driving the waterpump. That is why I asked the question. Putting UD's on a car using a belt driven waterpump, the pump turns much less than with the stock pullies on the car. So the cycling of water is much less.

Higher temps is something a person running UD's on a belt driven waterpump always has to keep in mind particularly if the owner decides to put a blower on a car after installing UD pullies on a car that has a belt driven waterpump.

1slow370 09-07-2009 04:04 AM

ok the water pump is driven by the timing set(chains)

the power brakes run on engine vacuum

Why not make a pulley for the supercharger kit that overspins the blower to work with the underdriven crank?

Is the rubber harmonic section on the stock crank pulley just there for show?

Does a brother have to kill to get a timing scale instead of three stupid dimples?

How accurately is the zero timing mark located in relation to TDC (like less than a degree?)

ZKindaGuy 09-07-2009 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370 (Post 188696)
ok the water pump is driven by the timing set(chains)

Why not make a pulley for the supercharger kit that overspins the blower to work with the underdriven crank?

And the overspinning of the blower would just generate a ton of additional heat on top of what a blower would generate without the overspin. So why make a pulley to overspin the blower?

1slow370 09-08-2009 04:54 AM

I'm sorry if you don't understand these things but if the crank is putting out 20% less belt speed and you install a 20% overdriven pulley on a supercharger they cancel out and it like having stock pulley only you gain the 5hp from slowing down the accessories. More heat? the blower won't be turning even 1rpm faster than would be with stock pulleys. Its called not wasting a $250 underdrive pulley. You must be a turbo guy.

Besides that they use a smaller pulley to go up in stages with the power so along with more heat there's a lot more air but that's irrelavent to my earlier post.

ZKindaGuy 09-09-2009 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370 (Post 189649)
I'm sorry if you don't understand these things but if the crank is putting out 20% less belt speed and you install a 20% overdriven pulley on a supercharger they cancel out and it like having stock pulley only you gain the 5hp from slowing down the accessories. More heat? the blower won't be turning even 1rpm faster than would be with stock pulleys. Its called not wasting a $250 underdrive pulley. You must be a turbo guy.

Besides that they use a smaller pulley to go up in stages with the power so along with more heat there's a lot more air but that's irrelavent to my earlier post.

I didn't read the post thoroughly enough to put it together that one pulley percentage would cancel out the other. All I did was immediately zero in on the "overspin the blower" text. Yes that is my bad for not reading the entire context of the message but but that is certainly no reason to prefix yopur answer with a degrading barb. And don't even try to say that wasn't your intention because I just won't buy it.

As someone once posted here previously that hiding anonimously behind a computer screen certainly makes some folks awfully brave.....and just plain rude :shakes head:

1slow370 09-15-2009 02:56 AM

At least I read your post before I corrected you so as to make sure there wasn't a misunderstanding on my part that would put me at fault. Suck it up guy you incorrectly corrected me and got flammed for it. Can I have my info changed from base member to official forum D*ck?

kannibul 09-15-2009 03:55 PM

Why flame...

ZKindaGuy 04-08-2010 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by semtex (Post 75576)
Review & Pics:

My friend and I installed the Stillen Underdrive Pulley this past Friday. The installation wasn't too bad overall. It took a total of about one hour, but that includes the time taken to get the car up on jack stands, remove the undertray, etc. The hardest part of the installation was getting the stock pulley off, because they torque the bolt from the factory really, really tight. My mechanic had to hold the starter in place with a pry bar while I loosened the stock pulley bolt with a torque wrench, and it took a lot of effort/strength to loosen that thing. It would have been easier if the car was on a lift, because I would've been able to use my body weight to pull down on the wrench. Doing it while laying on the ground though, I had to rely on muscle alone.



Driving Impressions:

My butt dyno hasn't noticed any huge gain per se. What is most noticeable to me, however, is that responsiveness has improved, especially off the line. Now, keep in mind that my Z is a 6MT. You know how when you launch off the line there's like a sort of momentary 'dead spot' or 'lag' when you initially engage the throttle and clutch? Well, this is where I notice the most change. That dead spot is virtually gone. My launches feel much more immediate now. The light goes green, I step on the gas and let the clutch out and BAM!! It's on! And I'm not even talking about hard launches. Just with regular around town type of driving, the responsiveness off the line is just more clean and crisp, if that makes any sense.

Also, you know how if you're driving with the AC off and then turn it on, you can actually feel the load the AC is putting on the engine? Like you can feel a bit of power being sucked away. Well, that feeling is noticeably reduced. It's not gone entirely, but it is reduced to a very significant degree.

Dyno:

Okay, enough with the butt dyno. Here's the real thing. I went and put my car back on a DynoJet this morning to see if there are any measurable gains from this thing.

So peak HP goes up from 324.61whp to 330.23whp (+5.62). Peak torque also went up slightly, but I'd say that the peak torque increase is negligible. What is more significant, torque-wise, is the positive effect this has had on the curve. Compare the old and new torque curves carefully. It looks like I've gained back some of the low-end torque that I lost when I installed the headers. (This would be consistent with my perception of sharper response off the line.) Also, if you look at the top-end, it looks like the torque isn't dropping off as sharply as before! I'm keeping it up longer!!! ;)

As for horsepower, I don't think a gain of 5.62 is half-bad, considering that I've already got the full intake and exhaust mods (i.e., my returns should be diminishing big time by now). All in all, I'm pleased with the results.

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UD pullies primarily shift the power range UP to the top end of the RPM scale. You aren't going to feel anything until you get into your power gear and pass into the upper upper RPM range. All of a sudden you will feel like the car is getting a small "push" from behind. It's quite SOTP noticeable and will be reflected in your dyno's HP numbers in that upper RPM range.

Juice14 08-09-2012 04:22 PM

any long term thoughts on this pulley? vibrations, etc?

SgtGoldy 12-13-2012 11:31 AM

Thanks to your review I just bought mine. So thanks semtex!!! Awesome as always man! I'm just curious what the difference will be between this and the G37s :confused:

Wonka2581 09-10-2013 02:39 PM

Hmm...

Arrvaxx 09-10-2013 03:35 PM

You were kind enough to dyno so I thought I could at least confirm or deny if your 'perception' was accurate.

http://www.the370z.com/members/arrva...ive-pulley.jpg

SgtGoldy 09-10-2013 03:40 PM

**** the one I bought I never installed... Who wants to buy it lol.

Wonka2581 09-11-2013 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SgtGoldy (Post 2481215)
**** the one I bought I never installed... Who wants to buy it lol.

Lmao I got one laying around too with a new belt lol

ortiz73ca 11-23-2014 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SgtGoldy (Post 2481215)
**** the one I bought I never installed... Who wants to buy it lol.

Is it an UD pulley? How much?

SgtGoldy 11-24-2014 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ortiz73ca (Post 3037703)
Is it an UD pulley? How much?

Dang brotha.... kinda late to the party...

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I posted that on 09-10-2013, 01:40 PM :wtf2:

Dat Thread Resurrection Tho


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