Ester Oil / Mobile1 - Interesting Link
 

Hey found this today:

Ask Mobil 1 Archive - Ester Oil

I think I'm going to go w/ mobile1 from now - its half price - and i don't track the car, but do occasionally drive spirited

So I figured 5K oil changes and I should be good.

Proof that if you shout at people enough, they'll tell you what you want to hear.

Nothing new here.

But I do use Mobil 1, and I think I will continue to as well. :tup:

:rofl2:

i dont think mobil 1 is an ester oil? :confused:

It contains Ester.

*Excitedly rubs the lubricant on my hands* while exclaiming "God it feels like...Ester!"

It rubs the Ester on its skin...

Vigorously.

Well played sir.

You realize you went to a mobil website to find out information that critically needs to be unbias??? Right????
But hey, to each his own. Good luck when you're driving spirited in summer months. I been there, done that. No thanks mobil 1.

Yes I realize that - but I've also read several other sites. I guess I'll just keep an eye on the oil temp. Do you all use redline?

Some people may say different, but imho, No. The VQ feels smoother and runs cooler with other oils. The cheapest good oil inho is castrol edge. Other than that one. I would go with the more expensive oils for a cooler smoother running engine. I'm sure you can get away with mobil 1 if you don't care about keeping your engine running strong over 150,000 miles? But that's up to you.

Many others seem to use M1 in their Z. And ya - its my daily driver so looking to get <75k out of it before selling / trading.

:tup:

Many others must be a bunch of people like you who are looking to spend the least amount of money possible on an oil change with little regard to optimum vs average to subpar performance depending on your driving style and/or weather conditions of the day.
Why not spend an extra $9 and give a better oil a try.:tiphat:

Is it only $9? Where can you get redline for that price? The MB1 is like $30 / 5qts.

Didn't realize how sensitive people are about their oil.... I havent even done an oil change on it yet - just got it a month ago!

Before my first oil change i did a lot of research on this site and others and found mobil 1 full synthetic to be a pretty high quality oil. UNKNOWN you make it sound like it is junk. I have been pretty happy with it, in fact i noticed the exact opposite my oil temps have been consistantly lower with the mobil 1.

Oh God, not another "my oil is better than yours" thread... :icon14:

Also - I looked at the product spec. sheets for MB1 and RL and they don't seem like one is way worse than the other... I guess I can run MB1 for a for months and then try RL and see if there is a difference.

Mobil 1 Extended Performance

Red Line Synthetic Oil - Motor Oil - 5W30 Motor Oil

Also in the owners manual under “ENGINE OIL AND OIL FILTER RECOMMENDATION" it does not mention esters... But - I do see under the specifications where it does say it is "recommended".

http://www.nissanextendedwarranty.co...issan-370Z.pdf

Just looking for some advise - Not trying to argue about oils.

i asked the nissan dealership by my house. The guy working service there said that its not essential to run the ester but it is recommended. I guess it probably depends on who you talk to and what kinda mood they are in that day.

I said castrol edge is 9 bucks more and keeps the engine twmps lower under harder driving.

I use Mobil 1 and the other day a unicorn popped out of my tailpipe. :eek::icon23:

Dude, do some research on here from 09 when many Z's were battling different types of oil issues. Its not like nissan ester was recommended right off the bat. There were many issues going on with using some basic oils. the only reason it is still only a recommendation is because some Z's didn't get to the point to have to go to the dealership for service. But anyway, this is my last post on the topic. In actuality, there's a plethora of oil threads on here. This is just one of hundreds.
Like I said earlier. If you are convinced mobil1 is best for these HR engines, then by all means be my guest.

Happy holiday n good luck to ya Ronald :tiphat:

Thought Castrol Edge and M1 EP are both group IV oils.

I see lower temps with Mobile 1. Did conventional for first two oil changes then switched. Also can go what, 7500 mi before another change?

I use redline...my logic is this: $30K + car. Price difference between M1 and Redline ~$5.

Oil change every 5k miles, 100,000/5000=20

6 quarts per oil change

20 oil changes @ 6 qts = 120 qts total.

120 x 5 = $600 price difference in oil between Redline and Mobil 1 over 100,000 mi on a $30,000+ high performance car. Seriously, do you really give that much of a fvck? That's a little more than my monthly payment on the car.

^ I think the price difference is greater for me. M1 costs about $25 for 5qts, but it looks like redline is around $50... so the difference would be 120 qts x $25 = $3,000. Over the life of the car - not earth shattering I guess.

Also saw this post which was interesting :

http://www.the370z.com/engine-drivet...erds-info.html

Making me consider the Castrol more and more... although I don't think either one will really eff your car up if you check and drain it regularly.

I think your math's a little off...that's for 5 quarts so you wouldn't multiply that by 120 you'd multiple it by 120/5 = 24

24 x $25 = $600

my bad - i see you were saying $5 per quart... thats right i guess its $600. :icon14:

*sigh*

Lets all whine over the cost of a maintenance item that is less than 3% of the value of the MSRP for the entire ownership of the item.

I tried Redline. It made my Z run hotter and the valve train made more noise. Go figuire.

Taking a look at the way over $30,000+ cars that come with Mobil 1 from the factory - Like every single new Porsche etc. The racing they do etc. Mobil 1 should do the job of just driving and having fun in this car. That would include my occasional trek to the Nurburgring here in Germany on a warm day for a lap or 2.

You cannot go wrong with any major or exotic brand(Redline) or with the Nissan Ester which I will use for 2 more changes until the car hits about 30,000 kilometers miles etc.

I will switch at that point to something like Mobil-1/Redline/German Castrol etc. Drive, enjoy, and forget whats in the crank case. You will sleep well and I guarantee the world will turn overnight! :) :hello:

The corvettes at Spring Mountain all run stock spec Mobil 1. They have yet to lose an engine in the C6 platform. 12-14K track/paddock miles per car before they are sold.

It works okay I guess.

Sounds good - End Thread!!!!

There's a reason why this is:

Mobil 1 Synthetic Motor Oil is Factory Fill in 40 Plus Car Models

But let's hear from the "Conspiracy Theorists":icon18:

I ran my car with Nissan Ester oil for the break in period. After that, i have been running it with Mobil 1 ow-40. Even driving in a 97-100F and heat index above 110F weather, my oil temp hover at 230F. No oil comsumption issue either. Knock on wood.

If people think my car won't last long with Mobil 1, so be it.

I use Royal Purple and day after your unicorn popped out, a bigger unicorn popped out of my tailpipe and mounted your unicorn! SO THERE! :mad:

:smug:

I just want to say one last thing. I'm not saying Mobil1 is overall a bad oil. I'm not liking the overall performance of that oil in this particular application with the Z. Being in tx, if the oil can't keep my car cool enough I won't use it or recommend it. Me being in 100+ degree weather, it doesn't hold up to snuff. I get 11 to 15 degrees cooler temps on other brands. But I also drive pretty hard. I just feel if it doesn't handle extremes well (in the Z) under harsh conditions why use it?
The vette probably has way better transmission and oil cooling systems than the Z. The vette ALSO doesn't rev as high. If the Z was a cooler running car and didn't rev as high as it does I'm sure mobil 1 would do better. But it doesn't so it isn't. Lol.
In the end mobil1 is not good due to the Z not being engineered as well in the cooling dept. But the Z's flaw has exposed some of this oils weakness and other oils strength.

Its amazing the amount of venom spat towards various oils on the inter tubes that people just don't like.

Mobil 1 is kind of the Microsoft of the oil world: fun to kick around as being inferior, more marketing then substance.

Its unfortunate because like many companies, Mobil makes some very good blends and some very consumer blends. UOA's show it may break down faster then brand X but its still holding up and engines are not throwing rods left and right.

People that do this for a living (you know, engineering types with degrees and all) know what is good and what is not, and they still produce and use the product.

A Z06 rev's to 7K...not that far from the 370's 7500. Euro spec P cars have run it for years. Some BMWs. I have a combined 350K miles across high output Honda, Mazda, and subaru engines all running M1 5/30, 10/30, or 0/30 at various times with OCI's varying from 5-7500 miles. Not too shabby for something I buy from walmart :D

My Z is getting PP, partially due to some of the UOA's I read and partially because its something new to try and $2 per 5qt less expensive then the M1. I did put M1 in the first change since I had it on hand, but when driving it 3K every 6 months on the street, you honestly could run walmart blue bottle and it would be just fine. My oil temps were not any different over the summer with M1 vs the PP I put in at the end of the summer.

The more expensive oil gives us peace of mind when we hammer on it. That is the rationalization we use :) Some cars do run warmer then others, so if one particular lube shows to work better in your particular car great...doesn't mean another oil can't work equally well in other cars.

- b