09 WRX 3:16.6
09 Nismo 3:12.0 (the one that had brake failure)
11 STI Sedan 3:13.8



Times from CarAndDrivers Lightning Lap at VIR


Dont come on this forum and talk stupid. I love the new STI sedan. If my Z got wrecked tomorrow I would get one in a heartbeat. I was going to get a 2010 WRX instead of my Z if the insurance on the Z was going to be to high. My mom has a XT Forester, I love Subbys and the EVO has been proclaimed to be one of the best modding car ever. But dont sit there and tell me the Z cant compete STOP IT!!!

I don't do straight line performance anymore. Had my time with that, you might say.

Pretty sure the z guy can drive, he is nationally competitive :facepalm:


I'm done arguing. When your knowledge is based on car and driver reviews and a street race with a friend, it's time to re-evaluate how much you know.

You put 1-2 seconds on a stock Z in your WRX? The WRX is not a very good handling car. No were near the old WRX. Yea I know its better the the 08 but its not going to out handle a Z. You need the STI for that and even that is hard pressed to do so from what I have shown you. So yea guess he cant drive. Can someone chime in and let me know I'm not crazy. A WRX not an STI is a better handling, braking etc car then a Z??

To add fuel to the fire, much like the GT-R, the Evo X also pretty much drives itself as well.

I can't back it with proof, but I do know a few STI guys who have owned WRX's as well. When I thought about getting the WRX after selling my Evo X. I knew I would suffer some handling loss, but asked how close it would be. I was simply told the only way to keep that kind of handling was with the STI. They are comparable in a 1/4 mile run, but when it comes to handling it's not quite there.

This is what I was TOLD, not what I have experienced first hand though.

You do realize that the WRX is a "D" stock car correct?

SCCA Solo Car Classifications: Stock by Class

That PDF page won't open for me so I had to go by this.

Its pointless to explain to him. According to him the Z can only compete with I guess Miatas, Civic SI, Sentra SpecV cars like that I guess.

well, i'm not trying to argue with anyone... it's a subject that has turned into a debate and gone way off topic... the point is that all we can do is go by numbers ... real numbers that have been done. Each magazine has numbers it posts, some may be bribed to give it better numbers for all we know... some may not. You have posted about pulling away from a car, he's posted about beating a Z by "1-2 seconds" in his WRX. The proof is always going to be in the numbers.

I have stated myself that as a former owner of 2 Evos that I feel the handling feels very good in comparison to them. The 06 RS was lighter and was fast, but I only had a TBE, Drop-in, and a LICP with no tune. The car was a lot of fun, but beat the absolute hell out of you and it felt a bit unstable at higher speeds... fast forward 2 years to the Evo X and the computer controls EVERYTHING and I do mean everything. It does the majority of the work, which gives you that little bit of extra confidence when taking turns and such. It was a very fun car. Both as I said though are cheap... the warranty... well, what warranty? It basically is voided the first time you fart in the car, but the drivetrain, the suspension, etc is what you pay for.

I can say all of that, but it doesn't amount to proof. The FACT is that the Nismo is in the B stock, the 370z is in C and the WRX is in fact in D, whether one driver can beat another out of any of those classes doesn't matter because that is what the facts say.

Yep, it is a tire limitation. With Sti width rims, you can run in b stock (and often win).

Methodical, the thing you need to understand is the tire width benefits we see a lot of times. The nismo has to run huge tires (most guys run 305s in front) to really compete with Sti's and Evo's running 275's at most.

The Stig says the Z is faster :p

The who?

I understand tires and a lot of things come into play when talking about this... however, i'm trying to compare on a stock vs stock basis though. We know the Z has HUGE tires on the car and more contact patch typically will mean more grip. The Z has the tire advantage stock, while the STI's or Evo's etc have the advantage of more torque due to turbocharging with A LOT of boost and in the Evos case computer controlled handling.

Right, but stock classing is based off of keeping stock rims, and shoving on a huge tire--no one does that. The wrx moves up favorably with more tire, which bumps it to decent b stock times. The nismo puts down similar times to a wrx running 265s while it is running 295+.