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7speed 02-13-2014 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Gibby1113 (Post 2685507)
Mine was a PITA to remove too. I had someone depressing the clutch for me while I grabbed the pin and fought w/ it for about 45 mins but it came out eventually

I used a baseball bat to seat to hold clutch down. My pin wouldn't slide right either though, I had to hold it with a locking wrench and wiggle/pull out.

Crypto2k 06-07-2014 07:36 PM

I think enough people have given this a thumbs up but what's one more. After picking up a Z a couple days ago, introduction on the forum and further details forthcoming, I thought at first the clutch was just stiff and the car was just new to me so was just rusty and I'd get used to it. Well after 12+hrs of continuos driving it still felt numb and the engagement point mysterious. I thought I had lost my mojo despite driving a stick off and on for the last 18yrs. Decided to look it up and found this thread. Immediately removed the spring (was super easy) and went for a drive.

Night and day difference. The feel is there now. Easing on the throttle is much easier and predictable. Incline starts are also very much improved.

Considering ease of mod to measuable benefit, I'm not sure it gets better than this.

Thanks everyone. Looking forward to being part of the community here. Seems like a great group and theres not much that hasn't been covered.

chii370 06-08-2014 08:10 AM

hmmmmm might try this, when I first heard about it there was about 2 guinea pigs but now theres lots lol.

Smashley 06-08-2014 11:04 AM

Where do we get the softer replacement spring some folks are using?

MacCool 06-08-2014 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Smashley (Post 2850954)
Where do we get the softer replacement spring some folks are using?

I bought one for my 2011 Z but never installed it. My 2014 doesn't need it. I'd sell mine, PM me if interested and can't find it elsewhere.

It's a Century Spring P/N 72577

6spd 06-08-2014 03:04 PM

I did this mod years ago on my '09. Got my '14 and was like WTF, this is crap, had to do it again. Great great mod that actually gives you tangible results.

Crypto2k 07-01-2014 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Smashley (Post 2850954)
Where do we get the softer replacement spring some folks are using?

I got mine from JSolo. He has a thread on the G37 forums with buying info. Just PM for details if he hasn't found you first.

Great seller, fast shipping and worthwhile replacement. Very happy with mine. Feel more comfortable having something in there vs leaving it out.

I do recommend swapping vs full uninstall then reinstall. I had a period of time I had it fully off but it would have been much easier to just swap with the new. Then again, I wouldn't have known how bad I wanted to replace the stock one until I felt the diff of not having a helper.

Just saves pulling the top pin which is a pain to get in and out without the risk of dropping it behind the plastic paneling while also holding the clutch in. :)

Ensaner 08-15-2014 06:00 PM

Stuck, removed the c clip, but can't get the pin out. Tried pushing down on the clutch and removing the pin, but it came out half way and can't seem to get it out. Any help?

JARblue 08-15-2014 06:01 PM

If you got it part way out, can you get some vice grips on there and leverage it out the rest of the way?

Ensaner 08-15-2014 06:17 PM

Is there one or two c clips? And I've tried that, seems so stuck!

smoothtransit 12-25-2014 05:49 PM

Sorry for the revival.

Just did this and the clutch feels like a normal clutch finally! Just for peace of mind, its fine if no assembly is in place correct? I dont have a replacement spring so im just riding with nothing there instead. I know someone said earlier that it shouldnt affect anything but im wondering if anyone located any problems (over time)? just want to be sure im not hurting anything:driving:

xcQuence 04-24-2015 03:12 PM

Not sure if this was mentioned or not but I thought I'd add something.

After removing the helper spring and re-installing all of the other OEM components (another small spring and what appears to be it's housing) the clutch felt MUCH better. That being said, I would occasionally feel a "pop" when fully compressing the clutch and letting off (in every gear). This "pop" would end a little bit into my "sweet spot" making it hard to smoothly get the car rolling. After getting back under the seat... I realized that the smaller spring was getting stuck to the housing and popping out. This is a result of no tension on the smaller spring due to the lack of the OEM spring.

I removed the smaller spring and housing... VIOLA. The clutch is pretty much perfect. I don't think I'll be purchasing an aftermarket spring!

TL;DR = Remove everything you see below!

http://oi60.tinypic.com/aymypd.jpg

JARblue 04-24-2015 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by xcQuence (Post 3178286)
Not sure if this was mentioned or not but I thought I'd add something.

I was getting the same "pop" and wondered if I could remove that part. Glad to hear that you can :tup:

I never messed with it and got the RJM clutch pedal assembly instead. If the spring replacement/removal doesn't satisfy you, I highly recommend the RJM pedal :driving:

Pelican170 05-07-2015 01:42 PM

Funny, I just got to driving the car again from winter storage. I kept saying, "what the hell is wrong with this clutch?" especially in 1st gear. Its been 5 years now and I still feel like a newb in 1st with this car. I am going to give this at try right away.

So what is the consensus, just remove both springs vs. buying a different spring?

MagmaRed370z 05-07-2015 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Pelican170 (Post 3191480)
Funny, I just got to driving the car again from winter storage. I kept saying, "what the hell is wrong with this clutch?" especially in 1st gear. Its been 5 years now and I still feel like a newb in 1st with this car. I am going to give this at try right away.

So what is the consensus, just remove both springs vs. buying a different spring?

Yup Exactly. Do you guys know where to buy this spring?

Bananaz 05-07-2015 02:59 PM

I may go with the rjm pedal. I've had the other spring for a while and after a while you don't notice a difference anymore and it's still jerky

6spd 05-07-2015 03:15 PM

Step 1: remove springs
Step 2: don't buy new springs
Step 3: take wife/gf to dinner with the savings
Step 3: buy self beer

Pelican170 05-07-2015 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by schellingr (Post 3191575)
Yup Exactly. Do you guys know where to buy this spring?

I would like of like one as well just to compare between no spring and the new spring. Let me know if you find someone selling and I will do the same...

Also, you can buy online but its a minimum of $40 plus shipping, which is why I assume people were group buying...

Pelican170 05-07-2015 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by schellingr (Post 3191575)
Yup Exactly. Do you guys know where to buy this spring?

Found this as well...

INFINITI G37 G37S G35 NISSAN 370Z 370 Z 6MT CLUTCH PEDAL ASSIST RETURN SPRING | eBay

MagmaRed370z 05-07-2015 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pelican170 (Post 3191623)


I just bought it. I will report back when I get it and install it.

MagmaRed370z 05-08-2015 08:47 PM

Alright, so I took the stock spring out but then a small spring came out too?
Do I need to put the small spring back? If yes then where does it go?
Everything came out kinda quick that I didn't have time to see how the small spring was setup.

I put everything together withouth the 2 springs. Took a 10 mile ride and everything works.

Please advise. Thank you
See image below (warning it will probably be a big image don't know how to make it smaller)
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...18148a8fbf.jpg

6spd 05-09-2015 11:00 AM

Its perfectly fine sans both springs

MagmaRed370z 05-09-2015 05:56 PM

This feels sooooooo much better than with the spring. WOW! I don't really know why Nissan puts this crappy spring in there. This is how a clutch should feel for sure! I already order the new weaker spring and will arrive on Tuesday.

Really! Why the hell did Nissan design it that way? So dumb!

nis350 05-09-2015 08:10 PM

Looking at the mechanic of these springs. It would probably be a bit harder to press down and stronger on the return. Is that how it feel after the springs removal?

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Originally Posted by schellingr (Post 3193258)
This feels sooooooo much better than with the spring. WOW! I don't really know why Nissan puts this crappy spring in there. This is how a clutch should feel for sure! I already order the new weaker spring and will arrive on Tuesday.

Really! Why the hell did Nissan design it that way? So dumb!


MagmaRed370z 05-09-2015 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by nis350 (Post 3193318)
Looking at the mechanic of these springs. It would probably be a bit harder to press down and stronger on the return. Is that how it feel after the springs removal?

To be honest with you, it feels "softer" both ways and it does not assist on the return as much as with the spring.

MagmaRed370z 05-12-2015 08:57 AM

The new weaker spring is being delivered to me today. I will report back in a couple of days.

MagmaRed370z 05-14-2015 08:34 AM

Installed the "softer" spring. Feels much better over stock. Great feel! Feels like a normal clutch now. Hopefully they (Nissan) learns about this and apply it to the next Z.

Pelican170 05-15-2015 02:24 PM

I took off the spring all together to see how it felt. Im not getting that "wow" factor like a lot of people on here are. I still feel like that pedal is stiff with no feel. I guess its slightly better but not as much as I had hoped for. 1st gear on this car is still frustrating to me. ive been driving manual since 16 yrs old and this is the only car I have ever driven where I get nervous if on a hill stopped, and worried ill stall, buck the car, or get it into gear at a higher RPM than desired.

Oh well...

MagmaRed370z 05-15-2015 02:34 PM

:iagree:

I haven't owned any cars that are automatic (only rental cars when I do work trips) and 1st and 2nd gear in this car is a bitch.

Pelican170 05-15-2015 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by schellingr (Post 3199304)
:iagree:

I haven't owned any cars that are automatic (only rental cars when I do work trips) and 1st and 2nd gear in this car is a bitch.

Glad its not just me lol:rofl2:

darkphantom 05-19-2015 08:43 PM

is this spring mod the same as doing the RJM clutch pedal?

Smashley 05-19-2015 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by darkphantom (Post 3203058)
is this spring mod the same as doing the RJM clutch pedal?

no

nis350 05-19-2015 11:41 PM

I think the real issue with the clutch is that it engages high without any modulation. It is hard to slip the clutch for a smooth engagement like other cars.

If you analyze the mechanics of that spring, the oem one actually make it lighter both way because the spring compresses when you release the pedal and decompresses when press down. So if you remove or change to a lighter spring, all it does is make it harder both ways. It does nothing to resolve the issue of engage point and lack of modulation.

However, I am sure that we can master it by paying more attention to where the engagement point is and release the clutch accordingly. I found shifting at 2500 rpm from 1st to 2nd generates less jerkiness.



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Originally Posted by Pelican170 (Post 3199296)
I took off the spring all together to see how it felt. Im not getting that "wow" factor like a lot of people on here are. I still feel like that pedal is stiff with no feel. I guess its slightly better but not as much as I had hoped for. 1st gear on this car is still frustrating to me. ive been driving manual since 16 yrs old and this is the only car I have ever driven where I get nervous if on a hill stopped, and worried ill stall, buck the car, or get it into gear at a higher RPM than desired.

Oh well...


Supmar85 05-25-2015 05:17 PM

Just purchased the replacement spring from eBay, thanks for the help finding the spring guys!

Hilla_killa 12-08-2016 08:30 AM

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geokots 08-28-2020 12:57 PM

I'm going to be doing this mod tonight. I did it on my Mustang a few years ago and I know it's pretty straight forward.

Before I do, I have a couple quick questions.
1. Is there any downside to this? Yes I know, I'm sure someone asked and answered but I randomly looked through 4-5 pages of the 37 and didn't see anything with certainty.
2. Are people generally doing the removal or putting the softer spring in. I only did the removal on my last car.

TIA

DieselKrampus 08-28-2020 09:02 PM

I tried the softer spring for a few weeks, didn't feel like it made a big enough difference in feel. Ended up deleting the spring and the entire spring carrier assembly from the pedal. I also adjusted the little threaded clevis where it attaches to the clutch pedal. Much better than the factory setup IMO, although I do plan to get an RJM pedal eventually, this is good enough for now.

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Optimiser 08-28-2020 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by geokots (Post 3956739)
I'm going to be doing this mod tonight. I did it on my Mustang a few years ago and I know it's pretty straight forward.

Before I do, I have a couple quick questions.
1. Is there any downside to this? Yes I know, I'm sure someone asked and answered but I randomly looked through 4-5 pages of the 37 and didn't see anything with certainty.
2. Are people generally doing the removal or putting the softer spring in. I only did the removal on my last car.

TIA

I removed it completely. :hello:

Geoff-AU 08-30-2020 06:10 AM

I removed it but didn't like the free end-play without any spring, so I found a much softer one to put back in.

Optimiser 08-30-2020 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Geoff-AU (Post 3957016)
I removed it but didn't like the free end-play without any spring, so I found a much softer one to put back in.


Fair enough. It doesn’t bother me.


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