ben and jerries...much more gratifing experience

Yeah.

fixed.

to all of this NO steve you cannot have your car back:stirthepot:

you can look but no touchie:tiphat: unless its me:yum:

I'll touch you alright. :happydance:

Just when I think its safe to poke my head out from under the deck.... :wtf2:

everyone needs to relax...VVEL tunning should yield 50-75rwhp

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i be the one spread NISMO for you:roflpuke2:

so back to the VVEL cracking discussion.......:wtf2:

I'm going to crack your VVEL... :icon14:

does that mean that i will then have and extra 50-75rwhp:eek:

:confused:

that ....sounds....gross?!

only if your crack isnt so tight

I thought we needed this to clear the images of 'crack' from our minds...

Right there, on the top left, do you see it? Thats the thing there gonna crack.

DD Z + 70-80% highway commute = no gears mod for me. I plan on using it as my DD for as long as I have it. Also, I probably won't get the torque converter either. I have no interest in drag specific mods. I would rather get mods that would allow me to get on a road track (oil cooler, brakes, etc.)

The term 'crack' is being used because in software you hack/crack something to do with it what you want. To control VVEL we will be hacking/cracking the software for user control.

It was more Steve's "cracking" haggomyeggo that I wanted to shed....

If VVEL was tuned to balance performance with environmental concerns, that means it is a compromise. And when there are compromises, gains are left on the table.

Either way, everyone seems to think this VVEL "crack" is going to be simple and is going to yield unbeleivable results.

Well cracking you was easy and yield unbelievable results....:wtf2:

Agreed, plus the pricing is still yet to be announced. I just hope it isn't so expensive that it becomes inaccessible to many people.

IF it even happens, it probably will be.

Yea it really won't be worth it now. Be happy with a NA tune. If not go FI.

it will be really cool for like 3 days, then like with any car/mod you will get used to the power and get bored and start looking for the next way to get more power out of the engine. But by that time you'll have full bolt ons a tune, and no vvel, there won't be anything left except weight reduction. VVEL won't make your car like 'scare the sh!t out of you' fast

Valve timing and lift make a huge difference. It won't rival FI, but it will make a big difference in NA performance potentially.

I'll put it this way: Imagine there was a "race cam" for our car. Everyone would be jumping at the chance to open the motor and put in the new cam.

Well with VVEL tuning, you can just dial it in electronically.

All this talk of touching has me wanting to go test drive the mustang.

Nothing short of FI will do that, but some extra peak power would be more than welcome. I think that some adjustment to VVEL will also open up a good bit under the curve, which is where the Z could use some extra juice. I think a little more freedom with tuning could drop lap times in the Z by a noticeable amount.

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The car or the driver... because I can help you out with both. ;)


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:wtf2:

You're supposed to laugh. :mad:

only if you wear that shirt in your avatar:happydance:

I think mid-range would benefit the most. An extra 10-15 whp at mid-range would go a long way for improving the driveability of the N/A cars.

But you're right... the 3.7 is very limited unless you go FI. In the end it's the cheapest and most effective way to get meaningful power out of the car.

You're making me jealous with that discussion:rofl2:

I think the engine is pretty limited even with FI, but that's a discussion for another day. :stirthepot:

Another 20 or so horses through the midrange would be fantastic for the trackability of the Z, especially if the powerband was smooth-- which it should be if they get all the tuning figured out.

I definitely agree, but it is what it is. At least FI will put you in the 450whp range which is kind of the "sweet spot" for a street-driven 3100-3300lb car.

i want to feel the difference in the car with a few mods but yeah if you could get some power to come in between 2500-4500 rpm, the car would feel a lot quicker

Yeah, for sure. Especially if you're looking to run tighter road courses, the Z doesn't even really need much more than 300whp. I think I'd be happy with a legit 300whp with a smooth powerband.

im really looking forward to seeing Dixon Cider's car whenever he gets it back from GTM. a roadster with that kind of power should be pretty awesome.

Agreed.