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wh1te370z 03-13-2011 04:27 PM

Two steps
 
Has anyone done it?

Liquid_G 03-15-2011 11:18 AM

like country line dancing?

Raven 03-15-2011 11:23 AM

^^^ lol

i havent seen anyone with a WOT box. maybe someone can chime in...

Red__Zed 03-15-2011 12:18 PM

I'd be interested to see if anyone has put one in a Z.

6spd 03-15-2011 04:06 PM

care to elaborate... bro.

Red__Zed 03-15-2011 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 6spd (Post 988833)
care to elaborate... bro.

A two step refers to a two step or two stage limiter. It allows you to set the rev limiter to two different levels, depending on whether you are stopped, or you've got your foot on the brake, and then a higher limiter when you get going. It helps with launches, because you can floor the accelerator pedal while on the brake, and have it set to the right level for launching.

TongMan 03-15-2011 07:10 PM

Got it on my Civic Si from the Hondata flashpro. I love it. On the Z, I've read that someone had it installed, but was having issues with it destroying their catalytic converters.

Red__Zed 03-15-2011 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TongMan (Post 989144)
Got it on my Civic Si from the Hondata flashpro. I love it. On the Z, I've read that someone had it installed, but was having issues with it destroying their catalytic converters.

Hm. I wonder why that would happen?

TongMan 03-15-2011 07:33 PM

I do not know exactly why that is, but it may just be specific to that owner.

Red__Zed 03-15-2011 07:34 PM

happen to have a link to the thread? I'd be curious to know more.

TongMan 03-15-2011 07:42 PM

Here it is:

Catalytic Converters bad from 2step? - MY350Z.COM Forums

Red__Zed 03-15-2011 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TongMan (Post 989208)

Thanks. Looks like he was basically running rich as hell, which would make sense I guess.

It seems like that box is a two-step and a WOT box. It definitely makes sense that a WOT box would destroy cats. I'm not as sure about just a 2 step.

6spd 03-15-2011 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 989002)
A two step refers to a two step or two stage limiter. It allows you to set the rev limiter to two different levels, depending on whether you are stopped, or you've got your foot on the brake, and then a higher limiter when you get going. It helps with launches, because you can floor the accelerator pedal while on the brake, and have it set to the right level for launching.

pretty bad arss!

Red__Zed 03-15-2011 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6spd (Post 989309)
pretty bad arss!

Very helpful if you're into dragging. Trying to keep the RPM's at the launch point can be quite a chose, especially with an inconsistent tree.

wh1te370z 03-15-2011 10:07 PM

Tomgman that was on your 370? Also what set up did u use?

TongMan 03-15-2011 11:04 PM

I do not have launch control (2 step) on my Z. I currently have it on my Civic Si. It really is bad ***. I have it set at 3100 rpm with a rebound of 3000 rpm. Perfect launches every time.

wh1te370z 03-16-2011 08:42 AM

i cant believe no ones done it.

TongMan 03-16-2011 08:50 AM

The ECU tuning sucks for the 370z. I was looking for some ECU tuning a few weeks ago and I only found the Cobb Accessport and the Uprev software, which, according to me, sucked and not worth the price. Cobb is long gone.

theDreamer 03-16-2011 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TongMan (Post 989988)
The ECU tuning sucks for the 370z. I was looking for some ECU tuning a few weeks ago and I only found the Cobb Accessport and the Uprev software, which, according to me, sucked and not worth the price. Cobb is long gone.

Cobb is worthless
Uprev is far from worthless

gaveup 03-16-2011 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 989990)
Cobb is worthless
Uprev is far from worthless

Because you can tune VVEL with it right? Full timing control?

Oh no?

Well then it's definitely worth the price tag.....except it's not.

Red__Zed 03-16-2011 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by gaveup (Post 990444)
Because you can tune VVEL with it right? Full timing control?

Oh no?

Well then it's definitely worth the price tag.....except it's not.

I don't get people's hangup with VVEL. You can tune the car just fine without adjusting VVEL.

theDreamer 03-16-2011 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 990450)
I don't get people's hangup with VVEL. You can tune the car just fine without adjusting VVEL.

Ding!

gaveup 03-16-2011 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 990450)
I don't get people's hangup with VVEL. You can tune the car just fine without adjusting VVEL.

I'm sure you can. My problem with uprev is the cost. For the price they charge for the cable and software I would expect to have much more control over the ECU.

Maybe it's because I came from a WRX to the 370Z, but the WRX community was much more..in general. Tuning software was open source and all you really had to buy was a cable ($75) to connect from your laptop to OBDII, download openECU (free) and romraider (free) and you were on your way.

To me, paying $700 for the same thing (with less features) just doesn't compute. However, it seems to be the norm for anything Z related. Charge more because you know people will pay for it.

Red__Zed 03-16-2011 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by gaveup (Post 990599)
I'm sure you can. My problem with uprev is the cost. For the price they charge for the cable and software I would expect to have much more control over the ECU.

Maybe it's because I came from a WRX to the 370Z, but the WRX community was much more..in general. Tuning software was open source and all you really had to buy was a cable ($75) to connect from your laptop to OBDII, download openECU (free) and romraider (free) and you were on your way.

To me, paying $700 for the same thing (with less features) just doesn't compute. However, it seems to be the norm for anything Z related. Charge more because you know people will pay for it.


The Subaru market is bigger. Companies have to recoup their R and D costs, so you'll have a higher per-unit cost.

Somebody already stepped up and paid those costs for the Subaru community.

6spd 03-16-2011 04:36 PM

$700 is small compared to the $1000+ that hondata charges for their honda computers and tunes.

wh1te370z 03-16-2011 05:39 PM

Ok called MSD and a bunch of local shops and no one can install it with out putting in a new ECU? i find this hard to believe..

theDreamer 03-16-2011 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wh1te370z (Post 991336)
Ok called MSD and a bunch of local shops and no one can install it with out putting in a new ECU? i find this hard to believe..

Putting in a new ECU?
Uprev is a simple plug/play type system. Plug it into the OBD-II, make adjustment and your done.

b1adesofcha0s 03-16-2011 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 991528)
Putting in a new ECU?
Uprev is a simple plug/play type system. Plug it into the OBD-II, make adjustment and your done.

I think he was talking about the two step, not the Uprev tune :tup:

wh1te370z 03-16-2011 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 991528)
Putting in a new ECU?
Uprev is a simple plug/play type system. Plug it into the OBD-II, make adjustment and your done.

Quote:

Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 991664)
I think he was talking about the two step, not the Uprev tune :tup:

^^ yea they say they have to repace the ecu to install a two step. I don't understand why tho??

Red__Zed 03-16-2011 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wh1te370z (Post 992114)
^^ yea they say they have to repace the ecu to install a two step. I don't understand why tho??

Worth asking. They may be used to doing that due to working on other platforms.

1slow370 03-18-2011 04:46 AM

could try hard wiring an MSD 8733 GM LS coil on plug 2 step. Ecu would probably go limp if you used it for a while thinking it was misfiring. would probably work at the dragstrip for the few seconds the lights are on just reset the ecu after each run. I'd call msd and see what they say.

wh1te370z 03-22-2011 07:49 AM

so your saying to swap out my coils with LS's?

ScGRaceR 03-22-2011 07:58 AM

.... isnt the n2mb wot box and 2step a universal setup you just spice some wires.....


this is who created it for the srt-4 ugh lol

edub370 12-16-2011 08:03 AM

whyyyyyyyyyyyyy are we just limited to one single tuning company. i know uprev is great and everything but damn why wouldn't they charge $700?? they are the ONLY game in town.

i agree that a 2 step is prolly useless, but my buddy has a 09 sti that he has flat foot shifting and a 2 step setup on and it is pretty sweet. i'd almost like it just to say i have it

phunk 12-16-2011 12:08 PM

i take it that nobody posting in this thread has ever tried flooring it with the clutch down and the car at a stop?

Somebody with a 6MT, go outside and tell me how high of RPM you can get (let the engine warm up!)

if it makes it over 4500rpm then either my car is a freak or someone is putting something in my water.

1slow370 12-16-2011 05:44 PM

phunk it's limited to 4500 in neutral position put the shifter in first, push the clutch in and you get the full 7500 also no the gm ls coil unit is just an interupter box youd wire it to the ecu driver side of the nissan stick coils it detects rpm and cuts coil voltage right at the stick ls's have stick coils too but the wiring is different so you'd have to go through a z wiring diagram and an ls wiring diagram to to do it. problem is the ecu will go limp and detect misfire after a while so don't use it for long.

Edit: also thats my problem with uprev as well 3/4 the price of hondata but 1/4 the features

phunk 12-16-2011 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1slow370 (Post 1452829)
phunk it's limited to 4500 in neutral position put the shifter in first, push the clutch in and you get the full 7500

ah I'm only half crazy thanks

TerribleONE 12-28-2011 03:58 PM

I would be interested.. Come on someone make something for us!


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