Originally Posted by Modshack (Post 295680)

Amusing anecdote from 1983....Back then I worked for the Honda M/C division...We introduced the fastest and most aggressive street bike ever for it's day, the VF1100 Magna. You may or not remember the wild smokey drag strip burnouts (by Peewee Gleason, a professional drag racer) in the intro ad. It was exciting. It dragged people into showrooms by the droves. Unfortunately the sales guys failed to check with the legal guys on this (the Japaneses were a bit Naive at the time). The "implied usage" was determined to be a problem and the ad was pulled... These days it is rare to see a car or bike portrayed in a race environment without a paragraph of disclaimers. One of the greatest Corvette ads ever got canned for much the same reason....Promoting underage and reckless driving. The Lawyers control our world, like it or not..

Originally Posted by antennahead (Post 295690)

:iagree: Man, that IS a great Corvette commercial...... and the use of the Stones "Jumpin' Jack Flash" just heats it up even more :tup:

"How dare they entice children to drive recklessly and pollute the environment like that" :p :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Robert_Nash (Post 295319)

There wasn't really anything to solve.

I was as concerned as anyone reading all the doom and gloom posts (such as are in this thread). Early in my coupe's life the oil temps were reaching into the 250's with hard driving (notably on the Dragon and the Cherohala Skyway). But, it never got much above that and I never went into limp mode. Even with hard autocrossing; and hard runs on the Dragon, the Hellbender, the Skyway and the Devil's Triangle (to name a few) and a several thousand mile trip down Route 66 through 100+ degree days and southwestern desert and into Las Vegas I never encountered a problem with the oil temps and with using the Ester oil (as I've done without fail) and as the miles have added the temps have even dropped from the highest I've experienced.

My discussion with my mechanic friend, who I've mentioned before, also said there was a non-issue unless tracking the car. When he talks about Nissans I listen - not only has he been building and racing Nissans for 30+ years but his shop is the shop Nissan uses to maintain the heritage collection...Nissan trusts him and so do I.

I'd love to see the factory add an oil and/or transmission cooler; at least as an option but I doubt if more than 5% of the people who buy a 370 would ever actually need the option and I suspect that anyone routinely tracking their car would still need to add a larger oil cooler even if the factory supplied one so the option likely wouldn't even benefit those who probably most need it meaning it would be a wast of Nissan's money to do the tooling and design changes necessary to even offer it (and if they put them on every 370 then everyone would actually wind up paying for something they likely don't even need).

With that said, my questions to you are why are you still "here" and still, apparently, upset about this (at least upset enough to keep posting in this thread)?

I'm not suggesting you can't or shouldnt' be here - obviously you have as much right as anyone to be here but I don't see the point unless you just want to bash the 370. Why don't you just go out and enjoy your new Porsche and let us enjoy or Z's.



P.S. For anyone not familiar withe the Dragon, Devil's Triangle, etc. I mentioned above; just google "The Tail Of The Dragon" and you'll pull up a ton of information about these roads/routes...truly some of the most beautiful and challenging pieces of asphalt anywhere in the world.

Originally Posted by Modshack (Post 295680)

Amusing anecdote from 1983....Back then I worked for the Honda M/C division...We introduced the fastest and most aggressive street bike ever for it's day, the VF1100 Magna. You may or not remember the wild smokey drag strip burnouts (by Peewee Gleason, a professional drag racer) in the intro ad. It was exciting. It dragged people into showrooms by the droves. Unfortunately the sales guys failed to check with the legal guys on this (the Japaneses were a bit Naive at the time). The "implied usage" was determined to be a problem and the ad was pulled... These days it is rare to see a car or bike portrayed in a race environment without a paragraph of disclaimers. One of the greatest Corvette ads ever got canned for much the same reason....Promoting underage and reckless driving. The Lawyers control our world, like it or

Originally Posted by alan93rsa (Post 295361)

370Zsteve,

Bottom line out of the box the Cayman S beats the 370Z. Yes it costs more to do that. However, while at the track there have been far too many Z's sitting on hot days watching the Caymans roll onto the track. I'd suggest you (A) go out in a stock 09 Cayman S on track and do a back to back run in (B) a stock 370Z. Find a cool day and track so you can complete part B if you haven't added your oil cooler.

For my 370Z track experience on the one and only weekend at the track I was able to get 5 laps before the oil went north. So, $36000/5 laps for the weekend = $7200/lap or $72000/110 laps for the weekend = $654/lap. That's an order of magnitude cheaper on the first weekend. You know what they say about first impressions. :stirthepot:

I haven't had anyone from Porsche telling me not to use my launch control nor have they reprogrammed it. And as I've said before under 'choice' I think the GTR is just plain ugly. Others find the Cayman ugly and I personally have no affinity towards the Panamera.

The 370Z continues to be a good bang for the buck. And from there you can go both ways.

As to why I continue to post here I feel the $36000 Nissan entry fee should allow me to write all I want.

Edit: This is in no way intended to offend any of the many people on this forum with whom I have had numerous and meaningful conversations!

Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 295746)

And Nissan would never encourage such illegal driving.

Perhaps you remember - The Run?

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Youtube - The Run

Originally Posted by antennahead (Post 295760)

No aggressive driving here :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by 370Zsteve (Post 295874)

The 370Z was never meant to be a competitor to the Cayman S. But with a few thousand dollar in mods, a 370Z will eat a Cayman S for breakfast.

Originally Posted by alan93rsa (Post 297017)

370ZSteve,

This is a previous post I made on modding a Z in response to 5th gear's article on the Z vs Cayman. Read it and see my already stated position on the Z with mods.

And for modding a Z, I've been there and done it years ago. I waited until one day after my warranty expired to pull the engine on my 280Z and do a Scarab conversion. Look up the Scarab.



Robert, keep up the PR. If you worked for Yugo you'd no doubt have two in the garage.

As to pity. In today's economy anyone willing to spend $36K on a Z has to be a car enthusiast. I don't pity anyone in that category. We share a common passion.

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Originally Posted by vortrex (Post 296872)

oh boy, let's be realistic here. I know you just bought a 370z so now it's the greatest car in the world but come on. I would love to know what these "few thousand dollar in mods" are that turn the 370z into a cayman S eater.

Originally Posted by 370Zsteve (Post 297092)

the Cayman..it's..ugly. It's a 911 gone horribly wrong. You won't find many who could say that about a 370Z - with any conviction.