Originally Posted by 370Zsteve (Post 295245)

Seems to me his coupe is still stock and he doesn't have any problems. Wow, man, let it go.

Originally Posted by Robert_Nash (Post 295319)

There wasn't really anything to solve.

I was as concerned as anyone reading all the doom and gloom posts (such as are in this thread). Early in my coupe's life the oil temps were reaching into the 250's with hard driving (notably on the Dragon and the Cherohala Skyway). But, it never got much above that and I never went into limp mode. Even with hard autocrossing; and hard runs on the Dragon, the Hellbender, the Skyway and the Devil's Triangle (to name a few) and a several thousand mile trip down Route 66 through 100+ degree days and southwestern desert and into Las Vegas I never encountered a problem with the oil temps and with using the Ester oil (as I've done without fail) and as the miles have added the temps have even dropped from the highest I've experienced.

My discussion with my mechanic friend, who I've mentioned before, also said there was a non-issue unless tracking the car. When he talks about Nissans I listen - not only has he been building and racing Nissans for 30+ years but his shop is the shop Nissan uses to maintain the heritage collection...Nissan trusts him and so do I.

I'd love to see the factory add an oil and/or transmission cooler; at least as an option but I doubt if more than 5% of the people who buy a 370 would ever actually need the option and I suspect that anyone routinely tracking their car would still need to add a larger oil cooler even if the factory supplied one so the option likely wouldn't even benefit those who probably most need it meaning it would be a wast of Nissan's money to do the tooling and design changes necessary to even offer it (and if they put them on every 370 then everyone would actually wind up paying for something they likely don't even need).

With that said, my questions to you are why are you still "here" and still, apparently, upset about this (at least upset enough to keep posting in this thread)?

I'm not suggesting you can't or shouldnt' be here - obviously you have as much right as anyone to be here but I don't see the point unless you just want to bash the 370. Why don't you just go out and enjoy your new Porsche and let us enjoy or Z's.



P.S. For anyone not familiar withe the Dragon, Devil's Triangle, etc. I mentioned above; just google "The Tail Of The Dragon" and you'll pull up a ton of information about these roads/routes...truly some of the most beautiful and challenging pieces of asphalt anywhere in the world.

Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 295335)

Easy there Steve, Alan's not bashing. He's just looking for an honest answer that no one at Nissan is willing to give, quite a few of us are, most of us have given up.

No one from Nissan will give you a straight and honest answer.

Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 295374)

Yes I've read that one before. I especially love the last part, which is why I've held off installing a cooler for so long.

Let me translate for you.
You only need an oil cooler if you go to the track. If you go to the track and we find out about it we can, at our discretion, void your factory warranty. We will take the fact that you have installed an oil cooler as evidence that you are driving on the track.

Sure, Porsche engines might blow up more frequently than the Nissan engines, but at least they replace them no questions asked during the warranty period.

Any time I've taken my car in to the dealer for any reason they have gone over the car inspecting for any evidence that the car has been on track. I am now very paranoid of that fact and will not be visiting a dealer again for that reason. If anything does break it will be a major pain having to remove all performance parts before bringing it in.

Originally Posted by Car And Driver

One thing we should note about the warranty: Subaru says it "excludes damage resulting from participation in competition or racing events." That's a reasonable clause, but the WRX comes with a free, yearlong membership to the Sports Car Club of America (SCCA). Among the numerous events the SCCA hosts is the Solo II autocross in which unmodified street cars run through a low-speed cone course (max speed is less than 60 mph). These courses are usually set up in parking lots, so there's nothing to run into and the cars go through one at a time. Isn't it safe to assume that a few WRX owners will appreciate the SCCA membership and try out a relatively harmless autocross? Probably. If you're one of them, be wary, as we've heard stories of dealers not honoring warranties if the car has been autocrossed. Full Story

Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 295424)

Yes, I've heard the Subaru story before. I think it's deplorable that a manufacturer would do this, especially something like Auto-X which is a perfect setup to learn how to drive your new car safely. As a result I will never buy a Subaru, and now I have to question whether I will buy another Nissan despite my preference towards them having owned several over the last 20 years.

Originally Posted by Robert_Nash (Post 295508)

Frankly, I don't think manufacturers voiding warranties from any issues resulting or that may have resulted from competition and/or competition parts is either unusual or unreasonable.

Originally Posted by Robert_Nash (Post 295508)

Mass-produced street-legal passenger cars as NOT built for competition no matter how much people who buy "performance" cars want them to be and no matter what some New York ad agency does in commercials.

Originally Posted by semtex (Post 295568)

This might be slightly OT, but I've always wondered about something. I don't have a problem with saying that mass-produced street-legal cars aren't for competition or track use or whatever. But why sell mass-produced street-legal cars with top speeds of 150 mph then? I mean, it's kind of a mixed message, isn't it? Here, buy our car that is capable of speeds well in excess of any speed limit in the country. Oh but the car isn't intended to actually be driven at those speeds. You know what people say about driving fast, right? "Take it to the track!" Okay, so you take it to the track, only for manufacturers to say "Hey our cars aren't intended for track/competition use. No warranty for you!!!" :ugh: :confused:

Originally Posted by semtex (Post 295568)

I don't have a problem with saying that mass-produced street-legal cars aren't for competition or track use or whatever. But why sell mass-produced street-legal cars with top speeds of 150 mph then? I mean, it's kind of a mixed message, isn't it? Here, buy our car that is capable of speeds well in excess of any speed limit in the country. Oh but the car isn't intended to actually be driven at those speeds. You know what people say about driving fast, right? "Take it to the track!"