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ZoomZ 01-21-2021 02:38 PM

Starter cranking
 
If one wanted to just crank the engine with starter, (fuel pump fuse pulled)

with a push button start, how do you stop it from cranking or is there an automatic shutoff?

They always tell me there are no dumb questions, only dumb answers, so I'm ready for the beating. :icon14::rofl2:

ZZ

fryzia23 01-21-2021 08:17 PM

Take out starter relay and using some jumper wire or needle nose pliers, jump the relay connecting terminal 30 and 87 with ignition on. You can control cranking length as you wish.

Spooler 01-22-2021 08:38 AM

You would need a remote starter button off the Snap-On truck. Problem solved. I can't remember what the exact name they use. I have one in my toolbox somewhere. Use it for compression testing, valve adjustments, etc.

sx moneypit 01-22-2021 11:40 AM

Here ya go....https://shop.snapon.com/categories/R...-Switch/675572

Spooler 01-22-2021 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sx moneypit (Post 3982871)

Yup, that is it.

ZoomZ 01-22-2021 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3982851)
You would need a remote starter button off the Snap-On truck. Problem solved. I can't remember what the exact name they use. I have one in my toolbox somewhere. Use it for compression testing, valve adjustments, etc.

That's the way I like to do it!

Thank you :tiphat:

zz

ZoomZ 01-22-2021 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sx moneypit (Post 3982871)

Thanks for the link. :tiphat:

zz

ZoomZ 03-22-2021 04:57 PM

Arrived in mail today from Snap-on, in only two days.

Is there enough metal showing or aligator clip will go deep enough on 'S' switch once connector is removed?

or do I have to jimmy rig a plug-in for the 'S' contact on starter?

(sorry car cover is on and I'm too tired to remove and open hood. or remove engine splash shield. :tup: )

TIA

zz

SonicVQ 03-23-2021 07:40 AM

If you want to crank the engine for about 10 seconds without starting, you don't need any tools or have to remove any fuses. Our cars have a "clear flood" mode.

With one foot pressing on the brake (or clutch to the floor) use the other foot to hold the accelerator pedal to the floor, then push start.

The engine will crank for about 10 seconds, and will not start as the fuel injectors are turned off.
Also no codes will be set. I have done this many, many times on my G37 while researching how quick oil pressure builds.

If you want to have fun with your buddies car or on a test drive, use this method the next time you start it. I did this when I drove my friends brand new Maxima. I thought it was funny, and he thought his car was broken!

Note:
Based on some testing, this doesn't work on all cars. When I tried it on my old 2001 BMW 530, the engine raced towards redline for a moment.

ZoomZ 03-23-2021 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SonicVQ (Post 3989571)
If you want to crank the engine for about 10 seconds without starting, you don't need any tools or have to remove any fuses. Our cars have a "clear flood" mode.

With one foot pressing on the brake (or clutch to the floor) use the other foot to hold the accelerator pedal to the floor, then push start.

The engine will crank for about 10 seconds, and will not start as the fuel injectors are turned off.
Also no codes will be set. I have done this many, many times on my G37 while researching how quick oil pressure builds.

If you want to have fun with your buddies car or on a test drive, use this method the next time you start it. I did this when I drove my friends brand new Maxima. I thought it was funny, and he thought his car was broken!

Note:
Based on some testing, this doesn't work on all cars. When I tried it on my old 2001 BMW 530, the engine raced towards redline for a moment.

Thanks. I kinda asked this in my first post, but I guess it's not well known. I have performed similar functions like this (throttle re-learn) but wasn't sure if starter would time out or crank if fuel pump and ignition fuses are pulled.

I had a look at the starting circuit wiring diagram last night. Simple enough system. Read nothing about this feature, but will look again.

Thanks again.

SouthArk370Z 03-23-2021 06:08 PM

The start sequence should abort if the engine does not start in 5-10 seconds. If it doesn't, press the start button to manually abort (may have to press and hold). But my memory ain't what it used to be so verify with Owner's Manual or FSM. OM PDF at Nissan's web site if you don't have printed copy that came with car. Link to FSM in my sig.
If all else fails, let out the clutch with foot firmly on brake pedal and transmission in gear.

Or get a remote switch as recommended above. If this is a one-time job, many auto parts stores will loan/rent you one.

SonicVQ 03-23-2021 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ZoomZ (Post 3989634)
Thanks. I kinda asked this in my first post, but I guess it's not well known. I have performed similar functions like this (throttle re-learn) but wasn't sure if starter would time out or crank if fuel pump and ignition fuses are pulled.

I had a look at the starting circuit wiring diagram last night. Simple enough system. Read nothing about this feature, but will look again.

Thanks again.

You are correct.... most don't know about this useful feature... AND it is not mentioned in the FSM anywhere.

I am only aware of if after watching a ScannerDanner video a few years ago, and thought that I should try that to see if it works on my G37 - It does!

ZoomZ 03-23-2021 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 3989635)
The start sequence should abort if the engine does not start in 5-10 seconds. If it doesn't, press the start button to manually abort (may have to press and hold). But my memory ain't what it used to be so verify with Owner's Manual or FSM. OM PDF at Nissan's web site if you don't have printed copy that came with car. Link to FSM in my sig.
If all else fails, let out the clutch with foot firmly on brake pedal and transmission in gear.

Or get a remote switch as recommended above. If this is a one-time job, many auto parts stores will loan/rent you one.

I have all the tools I need. I will use remote switch, but will experiment with start button. Thanks

ZoomZ 03-23-2021 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SonicVQ (Post 3989636)
You are correct.... most don't know about this useful feature... AND it is not mentioned in the FSM anywhere.

I am only aware of if after watching a ScannerDanner video a few years ago, and thought that I should try that to see if it works on my G37 - It does!

Nope, nothing in FSM. Only thing I found was, start OFF is controlled by ECM, based on Engine speed and Battery voltage. Makes perfect sense. Just no flow chart to show what speed and what Batt. voltage.

Not a big issue, just liek to learn things. As you have posted, we learn something new everyday. :tiphat:

ZZ

SonicVQ 03-23-2021 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZoomZ (Post 3989645)
Nope, nothing in FSM. Only thing I found was, start OFF is controlled by ECM, based on Engine speed and Battery voltage. Makes perfect sense. Just no flow chart to show what speed and what Batt. voltage.
Not a big issue, just liek to learn things. As you have posted, we learn something new everyday. :tiphat:
ZZ

On my car, the clear flood cranking speed is around 175-185 RPM and battery voltage was 9.5 - 10.5.


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